The Lord's day.

[from scratch]

from scratch,

re: "Personally I think there is a person voting more than once through sock accounts."


I think you may be correct, since there is zero scriptural evidence that the first day of the week is being referred to in Revelation 1:10.

You make no sense.

 

[By Faith Alone]

The claims I make are as Jesus made and will continue to make. All spirit filled persons would see that.
One of us happens to be correct in our views, and one of us wrong at worse both of us are wrong.

The ones that are incorrect in their view are the ones that neglect the revelations given by our ascended Lord. The "days of His flesh" are not all the Scriptures hold concerning Him. Now. Please address this passage...if you dare:

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[By Faith Alone]

God is who made the separation. Did Moses write the ten commandments? Did God treat the ten as He did all the others?

Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people (of Israel) unto the Lord.

Please read on. You are sadly mistaken.

Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

That was spoken to the Israelites and not to you and me.

Eph 2:12-13
12 That at that time ye ...were.... without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now (AD 63)in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Not yet. And Elder 111 left out important facts whether intentional or not I do not know. Par for the course:

The New Covenant.
The Lord said HOW He would do it:

Ezek 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

That is Divine skill, power and fury with which to rule over the nation. That is the beginning of the restoration and that is BEFORE they return to the Promised Land. The Lord Jesus is not ruling over them neither by might nor power nor by the Holy Spirit.

*He will NOT allow any unbelievers into the land.......

Ezek 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Matt 8:11-12
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 8:11 shows the Kingdom of Heaven is on the earth and is Christ's reign is here over Israel.

The future great gathering in Sinai will make the number that came out of Egypt look just like a little picnic among friends.

Ezek 20:35-37
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness (Mt. Sinai) of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

Ezek 37:10-12
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet... an exceeding great army....
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

Ezekiel was talking to the people of his time and they will have to be resurrected.
A required term of the New Covenant that has not been met:

Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Israel has not returned to offering firstfruits:

Ezek 20:40 For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of Israel, saith the Lord God, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the firstfruits of your oblations, with all your holy things.

Thus far we can see the New Covenant was never in effect and still is not. The old Covenant was still in force during the “Acts” period:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is.. ready... to vanish away.

There is still no “New Covenant” church today.

Ezekiel 20:33-38...... “I” is used eleven times. It will be all of His work. He does not use nations to carry out this promise. This also shows Israel that was made as a nation in 1948 was not a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

It is strange. An SDA started me on the road to prophecy many years ago on a site just like this one. It was in a private chat room one-one-one by invitation. The subject was the book of Daniel and it was amazing how much he knew.

Furthermore the Gentiles were strangers to those covenants and promises:

Eph 2:12-13
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now...(AD 63) in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

BUMP!!

The blood of the New Covenant was shed on the Cross. That does not mean the New Covenant was in effect at that time. God cut a covenant with Abraham but he died in faith having not received the promises made to him. Those promises...WILL..be realized at the resurrection just as the New Covenant will be enjoyed at resurrection.

The post I quoted shows the terms of the new Covenant. They have not been met.

Elder 111:

I'll give ya ten dollars to answer that post.

 

[Elder 111]

Not when you call the Bible a lie.

That where I am thankful that everyone can go through this tread and see that I never did such a thing.
But Jesus had worst.
I just happen to says what the bible says and it so happens to be opposite to what you want to accept.

 

[VictorC]

That where I am thankful that everyone can go through this tread and see that I never did such a thing.

From the memory hole:

Gal 4:9
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

In this context, Paul is teaching: when God sent His Son to redeem those that were under the law, they become sons not servants and no longer have to be in bondage (to observe what in written in the law).Gal 4:5

Sorry, that is a lie.

 

[Elder 111]

The ones that are incorrect in their view are the ones that neglect the revelations given by our ascended Lord. The "days of His flesh" are not all the Scriptures hold concerning Him. Now. Please address this passage...if you dare:

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath is not a shadow of things to come but a reminder of what has happened and what is a fact. That is that God is the creator of all things. Did you not read that?
The Sabbath is not a shadow of that which is to come but a command from God. Did you not see that?
It hurts me that either in ignorance or in plain disregard for scripture that there is no acknowledgement of the fact there are/were sabbath days that had nothing to with the weekly Sabbath. Lev 23 gives us one of them.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
33 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
This was the day of atonement which was a shadow of the death of Christ.
Would you deny such a passage as you have quoted has nothing to do then with the seven day Sabbath?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That where I am thankful that everyone can go through this tread and see that I never did such a thing.
But Jesus had worst.
I just happen to says what the bible says and it so happens to be opposite to what you want to accept.

So what does that tell ya?



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[Albion]

That where I am thankful that everyone can go through this tread and see that I never did such a thing.

I agree. That was something that shouldn't have been said.

I just happen to says what the bible says and it so happens to be opposite to what you want to accept.

Understood, but of course that's what everyone says--that what they are claiming is what the Bible also says.

More to the point, I'd like to note some things about this poll.

1. The third option doesn't do anything for the poll--especially since you can only give one answer--because whether or not any of us cares if Sunday is the Lord's Day, the question of the thread asks if there's anything in the Bible that speaks to the issue. That doesn't depend on whether we care one way or the other.

2. Clearly, the Bible can be appealed to by both sides. There is indeed 'evidence' in Scripture for and against Sunday. If you want to say that the evidence is stronger for Saturday, you should be allowed (and compelled) to answer #1 since there is "evidence" for Sunday whether or not there is also evidence against it.

 

[Elder 111]

Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people (of Israel) unto the Lord.

Please read on. You are sadly mistaken.

Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

That was spoken to the Israelites and not to you and me.

Eph 2:12-13
12 That at that time ye ...were.... without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now (AD 63)in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

How does any of this proof me wrong?

 

[Elder 111]

From the memory hole:

What you said not what Paul said! Paul did not say that the law was removed. You know very well that I meant your interpretation.

 

[Elder 111]

I agree. That was something that shouldn't have been said.



Understood, but of course that's what everyone says--that what they are claiming is what the Bible also says.

More to the point, I'd like to note some things about this poll.

1. The third option doesn't do anything for the poll--especially since you can only give one answer--because whether or not any of us cares if Sunday is the Lord's Day, the question of the thread asks if there's anything in the Bible that speaks to the issue. That doesn't depend on whether we care one way or the other.

2. Clearly, the Bible can be appealed to by both sides. There is indeed 'evidence' in Scripture for and against Sunday. If you want to say that the evidence is stronger for Saturday, you should be allowed (and compelled) to answer #1 since there is "evidence" for Sunday whether or not there is also evidence against it.

I can not see how the bible can appeal to both sides.

 

[VictorC]

What you said not what Paul said! Paul did not say that the law was removed. You know very well that I meant your interpretation.

There wasn't any interpretation - just a summation from another member that contained hyperlinks to verify what Scripture says on its own. That's what you called a lie. That's what you thought another passage of Scripture contradicted, and that was found to be invalidated as soon as we went to Scripture to see what it says. Galatians 4 conveys the same message Romans 7 does.

You really have a hard time carrying a conversation, partly due to selective memory loss that others don't have. We see it as another form of bearing false witness.

 

[from scratch]

I can not see how the bible can appeal to both sides.

Neither do I. Even the Book of the Law doesn't support your idea.

 

[from scratch]

That where I am thankful that everyone can go through this tread and see that I never did such a thing.
But Jesus had worst.
I just happen to says what the bible says and it so happens to be opposite to what you want to accept.

To call any part of it a lie is to call it all a lie.

 

[Albion]

I can not see how the bible can appeal to both sides.

"Appeal to" does not appear in the poll's question or any of the three answers. But "evidence" does.

"Evidence" is not proof. It is meaningful data that might lead to a certain conclusion. If there is a lot of evidence, and it is strong evidence, we normally reach a conclusion in accordance with it. But there is also evidence that suggests a certain conclusion but, if it's weak or unsupported by any other evidence, or if the evidence that leads to the opposite conclusion is stronger, it is overridden.

The point is that there is "evidence" in Scripture for both POVs. We still have to decide which evidence is the more persuasive, but the poll didn't ask for that. It just asked if there is evidence for a Sunday Lord's Day, which there certainly is.

 

[Florierte Gottes]

...The point is that there is "evidence" in Scripture for both POVs...

No, there isn't. There is no evidence in the Scripture, at all, that Sunday is the Lord's day of Revelation 1:10. No one has brought forward any yet.

Abundance of evidence has been brought forward for the 7th Day the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, however.

 

[Elder 111]

"Appeal to" does not appear in the poll's question or any of the three answers. But "evidence" does.

"Evidence" is not proof. It is meaningful data that might lead to a certain conclusion. If there is a lot of evidence, and it is strong evidence, we normally reach a conclusion in accordance with it. But there is also evidence that suggests a certain conclusion but, if it's weak or unsupported by any other evidence, or if the evidence that leads to the opposite conclusion is stronger, it is overridden.

The point is that there is "evidence" in Scripture for both POVs. We still have to decide which evidence is the more persuasive, but the poll didn't ask for that. It just asked if there is evidence for a Sunday Lord's Day, which there certainly is.

Can you demmonstrate the evidence for Sunday "Lord's day"?

 

[Cribstyl]

I wholeheartedly agree with you!
There have been five of us who have offered opinions regarding the OP's dependence on Revelation 1:10, that John wasn't referring to any repetitive day of the week at all - and Elder111 has forced his own assumption into the poll questions that don't take this into account. There isn't anything I can answer that accurately reflects the conclusion I (and others) have come to. The poll is a farce.

The response you got affirms the OP as a seventh-day Adventist.



I would add the comment that Paul shows a different relationship in Galatians 3:23, where he writes "But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed." Galatians 4:5 affirms this relationship, where the Law kept the recipients, and not the other way around: the recipients keeping or not keeping the Law isn't germane. When the fulness of time came to fruition, God's redemption from the former owner of those who became His adopted children ended the relationship they had within the Law's jurisdiction.

Never the less, I agree that you have accurately summarized Galatians 4.
Elder111's response goes beyond the curious and into the realm of the pathetic.




Elder111: When you decided to call Scripture a 'lie', you basically lost your presentation's credibility. Add to this your logical fallacy that Galatians 4 is a lie because the unrelated sound bite you fetched from Romans 7 contradicts it somehow.

• Scripture doesn't contradict Scripture - especially an epistle written by the same inspired author.
• Reducing Romans 7 to one sound-bite ignores the message this chapter conveys, and your appeal to an unrelated text is contradictory to what that text actually says.

Had you read Romans 7:12 in the context it appears in, you would not have been able to avoid verse 6 telling us in plain language that God delivered us from the Law that held us in the past tense - consistent with the relationship shown in Galatians 3:23 - and then verse 7 identifies that Law we have been delivered from by a quote from the Ten Commandments.

I agree with Cribstyl: The SDA cannot reconcile his opinion with Scripture.
Elder111 has decided that Scripture contradicts Scripture, that is fine with him, and his theology is hopelessly broken without recourse or repair possible. It is the same thing he did on another thread presuming to be a poll, where he threw out the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 and replaced it with his opinion that can't be reconciled with Scripture.

Three thumbs up VictorC.

 

[Albion]

No, there isn't. There is no evidence in the Scripture, at all, that Sunday is the Lord's day of Revelation 1:10. No one has brought forward any yet.

Well, you're not even discussing the same subject, so I don't see any reason to go down that road. Sorry. You could start another thread, tho'.