The Lord's day.

[from scratch]

Does new covenant mean from Sabbath to Sunday?

Are you asking about something automatic? Jeremiah says not according to and make (new) covenant.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus wanted us to cerebrate his death not his resurrection.

Luke 22:19-20
New International Version (NIV)

19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a]

This would be done each year as a Memorial of his death and perfect life, if we did every Sunday or Saturday it would lose it's true meaning surely?

Then what day should our main worship day be on? It could be Friday or Wednesday according to some. There is no doubt about the importance if Jesus' death on the cross. Without it there could've been no resurrection. I think the resurrection almost completed the task. Jesus had to take His blood to the Father.

 

[from scratch]

from scratch,

re: "We're not celebrating death with the Lord's Supper."


As far as scripture is concerned, 1 Corinthians 11:26 says - "For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." Nothing is said about proclaiming the Lord's resurrection.

OK, Lets see if some more light can be shed on this since it is a major problem.

KJV says - For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

The word in question is shew (show). It means -

1. to announce, declare, promulgate, make known
2. to proclaim publicly, publish and
3. to denounce, report, betray

Not a single one indicate to celebrate.

Definition 2 is mentioned by rstrats above as quoted. To proclaim is to say something publicly which would be an announcement.

I'm in full agreement with this.

It is one of the reason I detest some of the more modern versions of the Bible.

The word proclaim appears in the ASV, ERV, ESV, HCSV, HNV, ISR 98, ISV, NASB, NET, NIV, NKJV, OJB, RSV, TEV and WEB.

The Amplified Bible says ...representing and signifying and proclaiming the fact of the Lord's death...

The living Bible says ...retelling the message...

I found no version with the word celebrate in it. spiritandtruth2 introduced celebrating the Lord's death here - http://www.christianforums.com/t7782906-49/#post64481757

The other word or phrase in question is in remembrance of me. I absolutely do this when partaking the Lord's Supper. Celebrating the Lord's Supper isn't celebrating the Lord's death. Its celebrating the New Covenant. Its not anything about death of anything except maybe the Old Covenant.

So I pose this question - where does the Bible say remember Jesus' death?

And I pose another - Does the Gospel include the resurrection of Jesus? Does it play an important role?

 

[Elder 111]

In Church Precepts 1:1; your 66 book bible might not contain that revelation from God.

The Holy spirit left out something then?
2Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Elder 111]

Then what day should our main worship day be on? It could be Friday or Wednesday according to some. There is no doubt about the importance if Jesus' death on the cross. Without it there could've been no resurrection. I think the resurrection almost completed the task. Jesus had to take His blood to the Father.

Where is the command to keep the day of the resurrection?

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Holy spirit left out something then?
2Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

No, the Holy Spirit included it in my tradition. But your publisher left it out. The one that printed your bible or the one that created the data in your bible-app.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

The Holy spirit left out something then?
2Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Holy Scripture tells us what God wants us to know; it does not tell us everything that we want to know; but it does tell us everything that we need to know.

Now that being said, the Bible does tell us that Christ's followers met on Sunday, it also tells us that they went to the temple and to the Synagogue (on the Sabbath, no doubt).

We also know Christ summarized the commandments under the new covenant; the fulfilment of His birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension... which is why we wait for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

No, the Holy Spirit included it in my tradition. But your publisher left it out. The one that printed your bible or the one that created the data in your bible-app.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Wow! What a surprise to me to see this thread resurrected. Has any person changed his opinion on this topic since the thread was started? I know I have not.

 

[Cribstyl]

Where is the command to keep the day of the resurrection?

This pet SDA question is designed to create an illusion that Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath.
(The poll is rigged)
The truth presented about day(s) to honor God is clear; Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Above text proves that whatever day(s) a man choses to honor God, is between the man and God.
SDA cant explain why Paul did not teach that men should keep the sabbath day above other days. Arguing that Paul and Jesus were Jews tends to trump what they actually taught.
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Gal 4:9
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

In this context, Paul is teaching: when God sent His Son to redeem those that were under the law, they become sons not servants and no longer have to be in bondage (to observe what in written in the law).Gal 4:5
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The knockout punch is this context below..... Paul literary teaches us that holydays and sabbath, were ordinances in the law, were nailed to the cross.

Col 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[from scratch]

The Holy spirit left out something then?
2Tim. 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

No, I think it is something else.

 

[from scratch]

Where is the command to keep the day of the resurrection?

...not according to....

 

[from scratch]

Wow! What a surprise to me to see this thread resurrected. Has any person changed his opinion on this topic since the thread was started? I know I have not.

I don't recall this thread ever making the second page.

 

[Elder 111]

No, the Holy Spirit included it in my tradition. But your publisher left it out. The one that printed your bible or the one that created the data in your bible-app.

No Holy Spirit in there. A spirit but not Holy.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

 

[Elder 111]

Holy Scripture tells us what God wants us to know; it does not tell us everything that we want to know; but it does tell us everything that we need to know.

Now that being said, the Bible does tell us that Christ's followers met on Sunday, it also tells us that they went to the temple and to the Synagogue (on the Sabbath, no doubt).

We also know Christ summarized the commandments under the new covenant; the fulfilment of His birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension... which is why we wait for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

It never said that Sunday replaced Sabbath.

 

[Elder 111]

This pet SDA question is designed to create an illusion that Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath.
(The poll is rigged)
The truth presented about day(s) to honor God is clear; Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Above text proves that whatever day(s) a man choses to honor God, is between the man and God.
SDA cant explain why Paul did not teach that men should keep the sabbath day above other days. Arguing that Paul and Jesus were Jews tends to trump what they actually taught.

Why would Paul teach men to keep the Sabbath when he kept if with them? Acts 13:
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
Note that this was not for the Jews. They did not like what Paul was doing.


Above all else show where Jesus taught that any day was accepted to God. Explain why Jesus said that:" The sabbath was made for man" Mark 2:27.
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Gal 4:9

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

In this context, Paul is teaching: when God sent His Son to redeem those that were under the law, they become sons not servants and no longer have to be in bondage (to observe what in written in the law).Gal 4:5

Sorry, that is a lie.Romans 7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Why should something that is holy be removed? Is not God holy too? Was it not God that gave us the commandment?
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The knockout punch is this context below..... Paul literary teaches us that holydays and sabbath, were ordinances in the law, were nailed to the cross.

Col 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Col 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

You need to know God's word or you are completely ignoring it. There were days that were Sabbath days that had nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath. That is why you have the term "Sabbath days". The weekly Sabbath was "the Sabbath". Sorry but you have it wrong.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Lord's day.

Wow! What a surprise to me to see this thread resurrected.
Has any person changed his opinion on this topic since the thread was started?
I know I have not.

Not sure what my opinion is..........



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[MarkRohfrietsch]

It never said that Sunday replaced Sabbath.

Were I in the Barbados, I would drink a ship-load of your fine rum on Sat. and still go to Mass on Sunday.

 

[from scratch]

Why would Paul teach men to keep the Sabbath when he kept if with them? Acts 13:
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
Note that this was not for the Jews. They did not like what Paul was doing.

Where does Paul exhort anyone to keep the Sabbath?

These Gentiles weren't followers of Paul. They did follow him from the synagogue, though. Paul brought no followers to the synagogue on that first visit. Now almost the whole city weren't Christians. But I get the felling you would like us to think so. Paul had nothing to do with it other than his first appearance and must've agreed to come back the next week. The Jews by their actions prove without doubt they weren't Christians even during the meeting.

Above all else show where Jesus taught that any day was accepted to God. Explain why Jesus said that:" The sabbath was made for man" Mark 2:27.

That's not quite what Jesus said. Furthermore it doesn't line up with what Moses wrote in Ex 31:13 or say Eze 20:12. This proves without a shadow of a doubt the Sabbath wasn't given to all mankind. You should take a peak at the Greek of MK 2:27. It says explicitly a single man and not mankind with a word implying such which is left out of the KJV.

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Sorry, that is a lie.Romans 7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Why should something that is holy be removed? Is not God holy too? Was it not God that gave us the commandment?

I've got no idea why God did that if you won't accept Jer 31:31-34 and the testimony of Jesus contained in 3 Gospels.

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You need to know God's word or you are completely ignoring it. There were days that were Sabbath days that had nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath. That is why you have the term "Sabbath days". The weekly Sabbath was "the Sabbath". Sorry but you have it wrong.

Not all versions of the Bible say Sabbaths or days. Some are singular. Why? The list in Col 2 is the same one found in Lev 23 and else where. Sabbath days aren't listed twice. You miss a very small 2 letter word - or in the text.

 

[VictorC]

It never said that Sunday replaced Sabbath.

When you reduce comments made by others to this fallacious paradigm of 'Sunday vs. Sabbath' you alone subscribe to, you end up unable to respond to those comments.

 

[VictorC]

This pet SDA question is designed to create an illusion that Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath.
(The poll is rigged)
The truth presented about day(s) to honor God is clear; Rom 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Above text proves that whatever day(s) a man choses to honor God, is between the man and God.
SDA can't explain why Paul did not teach that men should keep the sabbath day above other days. Arguing that Paul and Jesus were Jews tends to trump what they actually taught.

I wholeheartedly agree with you!
There have been five of us who have offered opinions regarding the OP's dependence on Revelation 1:10, that John wasn't referring to any repetitive day of the week at all - and Elder111 has forced his own assumption into the poll questions that don't take this into account. There isn't anything I can answer that accurately reflects the conclusion I (and others) have come to. The poll is a farce.

The response you got affirms the OP as a seventh-day Adventist.

Gal 4:9
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

In this context, Paul is teaching: when God sent His Son to redeem those that were under the law, they become sons not servants and no longer have to be in bondage (to observe what in written in the law).Gal 4:5

I would add the comment that Paul shows a different relationship in Galatians 3:23, where he writes "But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed." Galatians 4:5 affirms this relationship, where the Law kept the recipients, and not the other way around: the recipients keeping or not keeping the Law isn't germane. When the fulness of time came to fruition, God's redemption from the former owner of those who became His adopted children ended the relationship they had within the Law's jurisdiction.

Never the less, I agree that you have accurately summarized Galatians 4.
Elder111's response goes beyond the curious and into the realm of the pathetic.

Sorry, that is a lie.Romans 7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Why should something that is holy be removed? Is not God holy too? Was it not God that gave us the commandment?

Elder111: When you decided to call Scripture a 'lie', you basically lost your presentation's credibility. Add to this your logical fallacy that Galatians 4 is a lie because the unrelated sound bite you fetched from Romans 7 contradicts it somehow.

• Scripture doesn't contradict Scripture - especially an epistle written by the same inspired author.
• Reducing Romans 7 to one sound-bite ignores the message this chapter conveys, and your appeal to an unrelated text is contradictory to what that text actually says.

Had you read Romans 7:12 in the context it appears in, you would not have been able to avoid verse 6 telling us in plain language that God delivered us from the Law that held us in the past tense - consistent with the relationship shown in Galatians 3:23 - and then verse 7 identifies that Law we have been delivered from by a quote from the Ten Commandments.

I agree with Cribstyl: The SDA cannot reconcile his opinion with Scripture.
Elder111 has decided that Scripture contradicts Scripture, that is fine with him, and his theology is hopelessly broken without recourse or repair possible. It is the same thing he did on another thread presuming to be a poll, where he threw out the message of Hebrews 3 and 4 and replaced it with his opinion that can't be reconciled with Scripture.