When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

[HannibalFlavius]

Note that Paul and Jesus aren't liars, and Jesus is the Messiah, for the reasons given in post 531.

Also, regarding Jesus being "a law breaker and a teacher who taught sin", see post 533.



See the first section of post 506.



Regarding Stephen in Acts 6, see the first section of post 511, and the last section of post 515.

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See the first section of post 515.



Regarding Matthew 5:17, see the 2nd section of post 515.

Regarding Matthew 5:19, see the last section of post 511.

I have seen your posts Bible, you are flat out against Jesus, Paul, and the disciples.


Your the best evidence to a Jew that Jesus is not the Messiah.



You know nothing of the law because you despise the word of God and the commandments, and you literally do not know what you are saying.


But what you say shows Jesus, Paul, and the disciples as thugs.

That's your religion.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Hi bro...You listen to the law.. Do you obey the law if your wife commits adultery and you do not put her through the judgement recommend by the law?

Isnt the person a sinner who disobeys the law?...it has 2 parts... The sin committed against it..and the death penalty.... why do people who obey the law not carry out the second half?... And if they do judge and condemn according to the law.. Are they righteous in doing so?

Jews live by the law of the land like they are supposed to live.

They do not live by the law, nor do Jews believe the same thing they believed in the days of Jesus.

They had a theocracy, and that is no longer the case.



All the laws are righteous, but there is NOBODY who lives by the law.


The Jews don't believe in sacrifice anymore.


I am not a Jew, nor do I live by the law, but Jesus did, and for him to be the Messiah, he had to walk in the law, not be a law breaker.


The Jews who believed continued keeping the law.

There was never a question whether Jews would continue keeping the law, that why they had to have a big council meeting to decide if gentiles needed to keep the law like Jews continued keeping it.


It was decided that Gentiles did not have to keep the law like Jews kept it, the law is Jewish culture, Jews do not stop being Jews.


But for a Christian to say that Jesus came breaking the law and teaching his disciples to break the law is to show Jesus worse than a murderer.


Paul, Stephen never taught Jews to forsake the law, and if you say that they did, they are worse than murderers.



We have people talking about the law, who know nothing about the law.


Bible, should not be saying what they are saying.


Your objective should not be to prove Jesus was not the Messiah and that's what they do.

Your goal should not be to show Paul as a two faced thug deserving of death, and that's what Bible is trying to show.

 

[dfw69]

Jews live by the law of the land like they are supposed to live.

They do not live by the law, nor do Jews believe the same thing they believed in the days of Jesus.

They had a theocracy, and that is no longer the case.



All the laws are righteous, but there is NOBODY who lives by the law.


The Jews don't believe in sacrifice anymore.


I am not a Jew, nor do I live by the law, but Jesus did, and for him to be the Messiah, he had to walk in the law, not be a law breaker.


The Jews who believed continued keeping the law.

There was never a question whether Jews would continue keeping the law, that why they had to have a big council meeting to decide if gentiles needed to keep the law like Jews continued keeping it.


It was decided that Gentiles did not have to keep the law like Jews kept it, the law is Jewish culture, Jews do not stop being Jews.


But for a Christian to say that Jesus came breaking the law and teaching his disciples to break the law is to show Jesus worse than a murderer.


Paul, Stephen never taught Jews to forsake the law, and if you say that they did, they are worse than murderers.



We have people talking about the law, who know nothing about the law.


Bible, should not be saying what they are saying.


Your objective should not be to prove Jesus was not the Messiah and that's what they do.

Your goal should not be to show Paul as a two faced thug deserving of death, and that's what Bible is trying to show.

I know what your saying... But if Jesus fulfilled the law and created a new covenant why should Jews continue in the law?... It was fulfilled by Jesus?...

 

[precepts]

Originally posted by precepts:
Which part of Dan 7:17 don't you understand? The 4 beasts are 4 kings not kingdoms.

Daniel 7:23 shows that the 4 "kings" in Daniel 7:17 are 4 "kingdoms"/empires, which is similar to Revelation 17:10, where the 7 "kings" are 7 empires, represented by the 7 heads of the beast in Revelation 17:3.

That's not the issue! The issue is they also represent "kings!" Who are these four kings?

(1.)Babylon - Nebuchadnezzar
(2.)Persia/Media - Cyrus
(3.)Grecia - Alexander the Great
(4.)Rome - Augustus Caesar*

The first kings of the four beast kingdoms! Yes or no?

Originally posted by precepts:
Is not the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast the 2nd beast in Rev 17, the false prophet?

Regarding "the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast", when Daniel 7:24 says "And another shall rise after them", this can refer to the country of Lebanon, from which the Antichrist could arise and bring to prominence on the world stage. The Antichrist could come from Lebanon's city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

How can the 11th horn be a kingdom when these are the same 10 horns in Rev 17 that represent the ten kings? He, the 11th horn, evidently the false prophet because he is thrown into the lake of fire in Dan 7, is the 11th horn/king because he comes up among these 10 kings/horns that haven't recieved a kingdom as yet.

That's what I've been trying to show you all along. He is the 2nd beast in Rev 13 because he's also the 11th horn in Dan 7, the false prophet.

Originally posted by precepts:
Is not the 11th horn in Dan 7's 4th beast the 2nd beast in Rev 17, the false prophet?

Regarding "the 2nd beast in Rev 17, the false prophet", did you mean the 2nd beast in Revelation 13? If so, the beast which comes up out of the earth (Revelation 13:11-16) indeed represents the individual man who will become the Antichrist's False Prophet (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 16:13).

WHICH IS THE 11TH HORN IN DAN 7:11, THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. HE WITH THE BEAST, EVENTHOUGH THE BEAST ISN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN DAN 7 BUT HAS TO BE DAN 7'S 8TH HORN, ARE THE FIRST TWO TO BE THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE (REV 19:20). THE FACT THAT UNITES ALL THE HORNS IN DAN 7 AND REV 13 AND 17.

THE "ANTICHRIST (AKA "THE "BEAST") BEING THE 8TH HORN IN DAN 7'S TEN HORNED FOURTH BEAST PROVES THE 7 AND 8TH KINGS IN REV 13:10 ARE THE SAME KNGS/HORNS BECAUSE THE "BEAST" IS THE 8TH KING IN REV 17:10. IT ALSO PROVES THE 7 AND 8TH (THE BEAST) KINGS ARE THE TEN KINGS IN REV 17:12 BECAUSE THE TEN KINGS IN REV 17:12 ARE THE SAME 10 HORNS/KINGS IN DAN 7'S TEN HORNED 4TH BEAST KINGDOM. ALL PROVEN BY THE 11TH HORN BEING THE FALSE PROPHET AND THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE IN DAN 7:11.

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Originally posted by precepts:
Rev 17:10 specifically states the 7 heads are 7 hills the city of Rome sits on.

See the 3rd section of post 501.

Don't have to. The above proof is the reason why Rev 17:10 specificlly states the 7 heads are 7 mountains on which the woman (the city of Rome) sits.

Originally posted by precepts:
You claim they also represent kingdoms because the 4 heads of the leopard {Greece} in Dan 7 represents 4 kingdoms eventhough it's not written anyway in scripture.

The 4 heads of the Greek Empire (Daniel 7:6) would represent the 4 Diadochian Greek "kingdoms" which the Greek Empire broke up into after the death of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:22).

Even if it did that doesn't mean you can contradict Rev 17:10 statement of the heads being mountians.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I know what your saying... But if Jesus fulfilled the law and created a new covenant why should Jews continue in the law?... It was fulfilled by Jesus?...

You decide whether Jesus is a liar, and you decide whether he knows what he is talking about.


17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


The curse of the not keeping all the law was taken away, but for somebody to want a Jew to stop being a Jew is the same thing to tell a Cherokee not to be a Cherokee.


Paul DID NOT TEACH THE JEWS TO FORSAKE THE LAWS OF MOSES.



The liars who went around saying that the disciples and Jesus taught Jews to forsake the law is what killed them. These liars are saying the same thing Bible is saying, Bible says they were not liars, but that they told the truth.

The liars were paid to witness against Stephen lying against him.

They had to have two witnesses by law, and they produced those witnesses who lied.

This is a matter of the law.

If the liars were telling the truth, then Jesus deserved to die, Stephen deserved to die and all the disciples deserved to die because they are worse than murderers, you render them false prophets and antichrists.


AntiChrist is to get the children of Israel to forsake the laws of Moses.


Is Jesus the AntiChrist?


That is the claim being made in here, that Jesus is AntiChrist, he couldn't have been the Messiah, and Paul was antichrist, and this renders all his words false. the words of a false prophet antichrist.

 

[Messy]

Before His first coming John came in the spirit of Elijah, before His second coming it will be the church that gets the mantle of Elijah.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Before His first coming John came in the spirit of Elijah, before His second coming it will be the church that gets the mantle of Elijah.

The spirit of Elijah does come to many people, but that spirit is sent to the churches, not from the churches.

Elijah and John the Baptist were sent to unite gentiles with Jews, neither Elijah or John were sent to the Jews of Judah.

When Elijah calls fire down from heaven, the Jews of Judah were not there.

Elijah was sent to King Ahab and his gentile queen,'' Jezebel''

Elijah was sent to this Northern kingdom because they separated themselves from the feasts and Sabbaths of Jerusalem. They built their own Temple, and instituted holidays of their own invention.

The spirit of Elijah bids people to come and be married to a Jew, for gentiles to become one with Jews, and there is only one way this can happen.

When the churches bring back respect for the Torah, and do away with every abomination that separates them from God.

Ezekiel talks about a future when Jerusalem{us} will be searched with lamps, and everyone who has anything to do with the winter solstice dies, and anyone having Babylonian holidays{Easter} dies.


We don't have to keep all the little laws of the feast days, but to invent our own Sabbaths and feast days is strictly forbidden and called,'' abominations.''

Certainly adopting Pagan Holy days to institute them instead of God's Holy days is abominable, an abomination before God.


Elijah comes to turn gentiles back to the feast days of Jerusalem.

To turn the hearts of the children back to the fathers is to turn Christianity back to the love of Jews, and having respect for God's commandments and appointed visitation days of God that are not yet fulfilled.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

I know what your saying... But if Jesus fulfilled the law and created a new covenant why should Jews continue in the law?... It was fulfilled by Jesus?...

Look at every place you see the word,'' Commandment''
Look at every place you see the word,'' Law.''

Jesus fulfilled the law in that he did not break the law, but the law is certainly not finished. If you look for a future fulfillment of anything, it means the law is not finished, and Jesus tells us it is not fulfilled until the earth is burned up.

Paul clearly proved himself as a man who kept the law all his life, and the tens of thousands of Jews became even more zealous in keeping it BECAUSE they believed. That is what it says.


The law still defines sin, and the keeping of the law defines love.

We have an advocate now, in case we sin unknowingly.

1 John 2.
2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


All the Jews who believed in Jesus became even more zealous in keeping every jot and tittle BECAUSE the curse of the law is taken away because we now have an advocate.

Acts 21
20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law


Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers...............

Gentile believers were not raised as Jews and they are let out of much, but the law stands, the law still judges, and NOBODY is released from ethical laws, and moral laws.

In the keeping of the law, you learn love, all the laws teach this one simple lesson, love God, and love your neighbor.


It is such a shame that Christianity misses out on so much revelation of Jesus, because in knowing the law, you know Jesus.

Every little law is about him.


Can we judge whether a person loves God and loves God's people?


2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Why has the commandments become so burdensome?


When we are shown so much evidence of Paul and all the Jews continuing in the law, why are there so many people who choose to believe otherwise?


Jesus is not a law breaker, Jesus taught the law, Paul taught the law and kept the law.

To say that Jesus broke the law, and all of them taught Jews to forsake the law is the most heinous thing anyone could say.

 

[Messy]

The spirit of Elijah does come to many people, but that spirit is sent to the churches, not from the churches.

Elijah and John the Baptist were sent to unite gentiles with Jews, neither Elijah or John were sent to the Jews of Judah.

When Elijah calls fire down from heaven, the Jews of Judah were not there.

Elijah was sent to King Ahab and his gentile queen,'' Jezebel''

Elijah was sent to this Northern kingdom because they separated themselves from the feasts and Sabbaths of Jerusalem. They built their own Temple, and instituted holidays of their own invention.

The spirit of Elijah bids people to come and be married to a Jew, for gentiles to become one with Jews, and there is only one way this can happen.

When the churches bring back respect for the Torah, and do away with every abomination that separates them from God.

Ezekiel talks about a future when Jerusalem{us} will be searched with lamps, and everyone who has anything to do with the winter solstice dies, and anyone having Babylonian holidays{Easter} dies.


We don't have to keep all the little laws of the feast days, but to invent our own Sabbaths and feast days is strictly forbidden and called,'' abominations.''

Certainly adopting Pagan Holy days to institute them instead of God's Holy days is abominable, an abomination before God.


Elijah comes to turn gentiles back to the feast days of Jerusalem.

To turn the hearts of the children back to the fathers is to turn Christianity back to the love of Jews, and having respect for God's commandments and appointed visitation days of God that are not yet fulfilled.

Let nobody Judge you in a feast day. Owe nobody anything but to love him, 'cause he who loves his neighbour has fulfilled the law. What do I care if chuch is on sunday or saturday or wednesday and if they eat something with christmas? I don't expect a Jew to eat pork and go to church on sunday, but I can't live like a Jew either and my pastor doesn't want to change it to saturday, this is more convenient. I entered His rest, that's supposed to be 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Corrie ten Boom's family celebrated both feasts with the Jews in their house and they gave their life for them. Think that's better.

 

[dfw69]

Look at every place you see the word,'' Commandment''
Look at every place you see the word,'' Law.''

Jesus fulfilled the law in that he did not break the law, but the law is certainly not finished. If you look for a future fulfillment of anything, it means the law is not finished, and Jesus tells us it is not fulfilled until the earth is burned up.

Paul clearly proved himself as a man who kept the law all his life, and the tens of thousands of Jews became even more zealous in keeping it BECAUSE they believed. That is what it says.


The law still defines sin, and the keeping of the law defines love.

We have an advocate now, in case we sin unknowingly.

1 John 2.
2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


All the Jews who believed in Jesus became even more zealous in keeping every jot and tittle BECAUSE the curse of the law is taken away because we now have an advocate.

Acts 21
20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law


Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers...............

Gentile believers were not raised as Jews and they are let out of much, but the law stands, the law still judges, and NOBODY is released from ethical laws, and moral laws.

In the keeping of the law, you learn love, all the laws teach this one simple lesson, love God, and love your neighbor.


It is such a shame that Christianity misses out on so much revelation of Jesus, because in knowing the law, you know Jesus.

Every little law is about him.


Can we judge whether a person loves God and loves God's people?


2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Why has the commandments become so burdensome?


When we are shown so much evidence of Paul and all the Jews continuing in the law, why are there so many people who choose to believe otherwise?


Jesus is not a law breaker, Jesus taught the law, Paul taught the law and kept the law.

To say that Jesus broke the law, and all of them taught Jews to forsake the law is the most heinous thing anyone could say.

So what your saying is god wants Jews to obey the law.. But Gentiles don't have too?

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Let nobody Judge you in a feast day. Owe nobody anything but to love him, 'cause he who loves his neighbour has fulfilled the law. What do I care if chuch is on sunday or saturday or wednesday and if they eat something with christmas? I don't expect a Jew to eat pork and go to church on sunday, but I can't live like a Jew either and my pastor doesn't want to change it to saturday, this is more convenient. I entered His rest, that's supposed to be 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Corrie ten Boom's family celebrated both feasts with the Jews in their house and they gave their life for them. Think that's better.

Who judges anyone if they don't keep all the feast day rules?

This scripture does not give anyone authority to invent their own holidays and take on Pagan holidays.

The first converts to Christianity were persecuted BECAUSE they gave up all their Pagan ways and traditions of Pagan Gods.


You are the Temple, and you sit in your Temple and stand against everything that is called of God or not.

The feast days were changed because of hatred for Jews, and Christians accepted Pagan Holy days because they flat out did not want to die.


Pagan Christians began killing Biblical Christians because biblical Christians just wanted to keep the Passover of Christ.


Laws were instituted against ALL of God's ways, and against all that is called of God.

A great falling away from the Torah brought about lawlessness that we are warned against.

The Torahless one came, the falling away is evident.


But nobody judges people in whether they keep all the laws of feast days or not, but people do judge whether or not other people have stood against the ways of God, and, or invented their own ways.


Who has the authority to alter the word of God, and to replace the ways of God with Pagan ways?



The feast days you celebrate had killed ALL the first true Christians.



The laws made against anyone keeping the feast days of Jesus killed countless of people.


Brave Christians had their children killed, and they were killed by other Christians who hate the Holy days of Jesus.


But who remembers all the torture and death that these days have brought?


People celebrate Christmas on the graves of Christians who were killed because they would only accept God's ways.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Why don't we accept all the Muslim Holy days and become friends with Muslims?

Why don't we accept all the Wiccan Holy days?


Why don't we just invent our own Sabbath and Holy days?


Christianity is the only religion that through conversion, you accept the ways of other religions, or create your own religion.

 

[Messy]

Who judges anyone if they don't keep all the feast day rules?

This scripture does not give anyone authority to invent their own holidays and take on Pagan holidays.

The first converts to Christianity were persecuted BECAUSE they gave up all their Pagan ways and traditions of Pagan Gods.


You are the Temple, and you sit in your Temple and stand against everything that is called of God or not.

The feast days were changed because of hatred for Jews, and Christians accepted Pagan Holy days because they flat out did not want to die.


Pagan Christians began killing Biblical Christians because biblical Christians just wanted to keep the Passover of Christ.


Laws were instituted against ALL of God's ways, and against all that is called of God.

A great falling away from the Torah brought about lawlessness that we are warned against.

The Torahless one came, the falling away is evident.


But nobody judges people in whether they keep all the laws of feast days or not, but people do judge whether or not other people have stood against the ways of God, and, or invented their own ways.


Who has the authority to alter the word of God, and to replace the ways of God with Pagan ways?



The feast days you celebrate had killed ALL the first true Christians.



The laws made against anyone keeping the feast days of Jesus killed countless of people.


Brave Christians had their children killed, and they were killed by other Christians who hate the Holy days of Jesus.


But who remembers all the torture and death that these days have brought?


People celebrate Christmas on the graves of Christians who were killed because they would only accept God's ways.

Oh whatever, I'm too lazy to celebrate these feasts anyway. I do celebrate Sinterklaas, but they want to ban the black peters here.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Oh whatever, I'm too lazy to celebrate these feasts anyway. I do celebrate Sinterklaas, but they want to ban the black peters here.

I go to my families Christmas dinner, although I do not buy anyone a gift or receive gifts.

I don't think people are evil if they celebrate Christmas, I just think they miss out on a great deal of Jesus and when he was really born.

Everything about his life was predestined.

A predestined birth, predestined death, predestined resurrection, predestined burial, predestined marriage. predestined day of circumcision.



Now tell me, cause I'm really curious, what is the black Peters?



Are you talking about the black statue of Peter at the Vatican, or am I completely off?


what is the black Peters?

 

[dfw69]

Who judges anyone if they don't keep all the feast day rules?

This scripture does not give anyone authority to invent their own holidays and take on Pagan holidays.

The first converts to Christianity were persecuted BECAUSE they gave up all their Pagan ways and traditions of Pagan Gods.


You are the Temple, and you sit in your Temple and stand against everything that is called of God or not.

The feast days were changed because of hatred for Jews, and Christians accepted Pagan Holy days because they flat out did not want to die.


Pagan Christians began killing Biblical Christians because biblical Christians just wanted to keep the Passover of Christ.


Laws were instituted against ALL of God's ways, and against all that is called of God.

A great falling away from the Torah brought about lawlessness that we are warned against.

The Torahless one came, the falling away is evident.


But nobody judges people in whether they keep all the laws of feast days or not, but people do judge whether or not other people have stood against the ways of God, and, or invented their own ways.


Who has the authority to alter the word of God, and to replace the ways of God with Pagan ways?



The feast days you celebrate had killed ALL the first true Christians.



The laws made against anyone keeping the feast days of Jesus killed countless of people.


Brave Christians had their children killed, and they were killed by other Christians who hate the Holy days of Jesus.


But who remembers all the torture and death that these days have brought?


People celebrate Christmas on the graves of Christians who were killed because they would only accept God's ways.

Christians are not lawless.. We obey Christ laws... Judge not condemn not have mercy forgive 70x7

Against such their is no Torah ...

Are you now condemning us by the torah ?

Where are the laws for disobeying the feast for Gentiles?

Are the christian Jews sinners for leaving Torah ?

Why is it that messianic Jews always condemn Christians as pagan and worthy of death?

Big red flag people

 

[dfw69]

Who judges anyone if they don't keep all the feast day rules?

The false messiah to come and his adherents

This scripture does not give anyone authority to invent their own holidays and take on Pagan holidays.

Nor condemns if one does....so what condemns those who give presents on Christmas and condemns children for hunting after Easter eggs?

The first converts to Christianity were persecuted BECAUSE they gave up all their Pagan ways and traditions of Pagan Gods.

Who really knows what went on in history?.. So many lies and false doctrines then and now...

You are the Temple, and you sit in your Temple and stand against everything that is called of God or not.

Red flag.. Time to bring in the persecution for forsaking the feast that we knew nothing about

There is a high priest and temple in heaven also...he keeps the feast for us...we don't stand against god and Christ .. But satan is the accuser of the brethren

The feast days were changed because of hatred for Jews, and Christians accepted Pagan Holy days because they flat out did not want to die.

Where does it say that Christians must obey the feast?

Pagan Christians began killing Biblical Christians because biblical Christians just wanted to keep the Passover of Christ.

Well they were not Christians at all .. No one should kill whether they keep or not keep the feast.. Which is the whole point of being a christian

Laws were instituted against ALL of God's ways, and against all that is called of God.

By evil men who don't know god or Christ

A great falling away from the Torah brought about lawlessness that we are warned against.

The Torahless one came, the falling away is evident.

No the falling away is faith in Christ atonement .. To follow the commandments of men... It's yet to come... When the false messiah arrives ... Then the falling away begins

But nobody judges people in whether they keep all the laws of feast days or not, but people do judge whether or not other people have stood against the ways of God, and, or invented their own ways.

Yet... But persecution will arise again..and the judgement of men condemning men again takes place...

Who has the authority to alter the word of God, and to replace the ways of God with Pagan ways?

But by what law is it pagan?

The feast days you celebrate had killed ALL the first true Christians.

So history tells us...who can know true history?

The laws made against anyone keeping the feast days of Jesus killed countless of people.

Seems history is gonna repeat itself when the false messiah condemns for not keeping the feast in the future...forcing the false kingdom of god upon us

Brave Christians had their children killed, and they were killed by other Christians who hate the Holy days of Jesus.


But who remembers all the torture and death that these days have brought?


People celebrate Christmas on the graves of Christians who were killed because they would only accept God's ways.

So the whole point is turn back to the feast and forsake pagan holidays..? I don't have a problem with that... I have a problem with people condemning people in the name of righteousness

 

[dfw69]

You decide whether Jesus is a liar, and you decide whether he knows what he is talking about.


17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


The curse of the not keeping all the law was taken away, but for somebody to want a Jew to stop being a Jew is the same thing to tell a Cherokee not to be a Cherokee.


Paul DID NOT TEACH THE JEWS TO FORSAKE THE LAWS OF MOSES.



The liars who went around saying that the disciples and Jesus taught Jews to forsake the law is what killed them. These liars are saying the same thing Bible is saying, Bible says they were not liars, but that they told the truth.

The liars were paid to witness against Stephen lying against him.

They had to have two witnesses by law, and they produced those witnesses who lied.

This is a matter of the law.

If the liars were telling the truth, then Jesus deserved to die, Stephen deserved to die and all the disciples deserved to die because they are worse than murderers, you render them false prophets and antichrists.


AntiChrist is to get the children of Israel to forsake the laws of Moses.


Is Jesus the AntiChrist?


That is the claim being made in here, that Jesus is AntiChrist, he couldn't have been the Messiah, and Paul was antichrist, and this renders all his words false. the words of a false prophet antichrist.

The law is fulfilled in Christ for saints... How else to we receive the righteousness of god in Christ? Serving the law?

The prophets are not completely fulfilled .. But will be fulfilled in the future

Jesus is high priest in heaven and there is a temple in heaven... He is fulfilling the feast now and in heaven ... He will also fulfill the feast in the future from heaven

Do you really believe those ignorant Christians who celebrate what you call pagan holidays will miss out on Jesus promises for them?... I do not!

Your right though .. The law is not completely fulfilled.. It still has power on sinners but not in those in Christ

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Do you really believe those ignorant Christians who celebrate what you call pagan holidays will miss out on Jesus promises for them?... I do not!

I believed they are saved just as I am saved.


But salvation is not reward, and the great majority will weep and gnash their teeth when they find out what the difference is.

Sure they are saved, sure they will go to heaven, but into what section?


The reality for overcomers is vastly different than the great majority, and the rewards are vastly different.

I don't believe I will be amongst the overcomers, I do believe I am saved, but the abundant Zoe life is not the same as the word,'' Life.''


If the goal is just to be saved, then let them have their Christmas Ham, I doubt it's a big deal, but this is salvation we speak of, not reward.

 

[dfw69]

I believed they are saved just as I am saved.


But salvation is not reward, and the great majority will weep and gnash their teeth when they find out what the difference is.

Sure they are saved, sure they will go to heaven, but into what section?


The reality for overcomers is vastly different than the great majority, and the rewards are vastly different.

I don't believe I will be amongst the overcomers, I do believe I am saved, but the abundant Zoe life is not the same as the word,'' Life.''


If the goal is just to be saved, then let them have their Christmas Ham, I doubt it's a big deal, but this is salvation we speak of, not reward.

Weeping and gnashing of teeth is not a good thing.. It always refers to torment in lake of fire..

You can't earn degrees of reward .. It's all provided by Christ .. Nothing by the flesh... Nothing by works of the law...it's a gift

The law profits nothing ...it's useless .. It only puts in bondage and condemns bro

If you truly trust Christ.. You are an overcomes...you are worthy by faith in him and the only commandment you must obey are his commandments.. To love forgive judge not condemn not have mercy.. And never condemn by the law of any law

 

[dfw69]

I've heard your line of thought before concerning pagan holidays..and now I'm Leary of your motives....

Your views are so judgemental...it scares me to think how messianic Jews think...

When the false Messiah comes or false Jesus or whatever he may be ... it seems to me that messianic Jews will not have any problems getting in line to serve him... Because he will be pro Torah and feast and pro noachide law... And the falling away and persecutions will begin... Will you be one of them or one of us when that day comes? Will you judge and condemn Christians for being pagan and blasphemers for not keeping the feast of god enforced by the false messiah of the near future?