The Lord's day.

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No need.

Why argue about it in the first place?

 

[SAAN]

Oh good grief, that again?


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The truth Hurts doesnt it. In the End nobody knows what day John was talking about, because it is not documented. IT could have been Saturday or Sunday for all we know.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by SAAN

Jesus said he is Lord of the Sabbath, so more than likely the Lords Day is Saturday John was referring to.

Sunday as the Lords day is more than likely yet another doctrine the RCC made up and just passed down.
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Oh good grief, that again?


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The truth Hurts doesnt it.
In the End nobody knows what day John was talking about, because it is not documented.
IT could have been Saturday or Sunday for all we know.

And why does that even matter under the New Covenant of Jesus?



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And why does that even matter under the New Covenant of Jesus?

Good question.

 

[spiritandtruth2]

Good question.

The Lord's Day has nothing to do with Saturday or Sunday.

The "Woman" is God's Heavenly Organization, and the "Male Child" is the New Kingdom arrangement, which Jesus Christ if you remember, when he was on earth, said the Kingdom is in your mist, so he was giving a fore-gleam of what the Kingdom was going to do here on Earth, the Lord's Prayer confirms that.

What did Jesus do while he was on earth, think about it, he preached the Good News of the kingdom and showed what the Kingdom was going to bring about on Earth healing the sick raising the dead etc!

So the Lord's Day is the start of his Kingdom Rulership and all the things he does during his rulership.

This will be the results of "Lord Day" which is future for those still living in the past.

(Revelation 21:3, 4) 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

That's what is going to happen during the "Lord's Day" it all makes sense to me, what do you think?

 

[SAAN]

And why does that even matter under the New Covenant of Jesus?



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Doesnt matter to me, Im not one of the you must do XYZ on Saturday or you will go to hell crowd. Ill let the SDA's and Hebrews have that all they want.

 

[Elder 111]

Why haven't you come back on John's sudden change of saying the Lord's Day when he meant the Sabbath? Everywhere else John uses the word Sabbath. I say John is reflecting the changes presented by the New Covenant. I know you're going to request and require such to be recorded in the Bible. All I have to say is the Bible isn't a text on evolving language habits. Can you show from any historical work the Sabbath being called the Lord's Day? Remember you need at least 2 sources. There are more than 2 sources showing Sunday as the Lord's Day prior to 300 AD.

Of course Sunday was the lord's day. the sun was worshiped as lord on that day.
During the first and second century the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day. The Teutonic nations seem to have adopted the week as a division of time from the Romans, but they changed the Roman names into those of corresponding Teutonic deities. Hence the dies Solis became Sunday (German, Sonntag). Sunday was the first day of the week according to the Jewish method of reckoning. Catholic Encyclopedia.

 

[Elder 111]

Why don't you want to you want to talk about these verses found in the same chapter -

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

You've effectively changed the subject of the post you responded to. Verse 5 and 6a clearly speak about a day.

Paul is speaking about judging another and causing a dividing destroying feud. And for what the vanity I'm right so comply or go to hell. Paul also speaks about the liberty we have in Christ and some came in the church to cause trouble and bondage. They required Judaism be practiced to be a Christian. The Jews hated Christians. It is well documented in Acts and the issue carried on in the churches as evidenced by several epistles/books.

The pro grace people allow you to worship on the Sabbath without objection. This would be in line with the above text from Romans. The pro law people demand one worships on the Sabbath or forfeit their salvation. This is judging another's servant which you have no authority to do. You have no leg to stand on. There is no salvation in Judaism or the covenant that regulates them issued at Sinai.

Sabbath nor the Jews are mentioned in this passage. "A day" does not meant Sabbath. Why did they not mention Sabbath in Acts 15 as one of the things for the Gentles not to do?

 

[from scratch]

The Lord's Day has nothing to do with Saturday or Sunday.

The "Woman" is God's Heavenly Organization, and the "Male Child" is the New Kingdom arrangement, which Jesus Christ if you remember, when he was on earth, said the Kingdom is in your mist, so he was giving a fore-gleam of what the Kingdom was going to do here on Earth, the Lord's Prayer confirms that.

What did Jesus do while he was on earth, think about it, he preached the Good News of the kingdom and showed what the Kingdom was going to bring about on Earth healing the sick raising the dead etc!

So the Lord's Day is the start of his Kingdom Rulership and all the things he does during his rulership.

This will be the results of "Lord Day" which is future for those still living in the past.

(Revelation 21:3, 4) 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

That's what is going to happen during the "Lord's Day" it all makes sense to me, what do you think?

Nice play on words.

 

[from scratch]

Of course Sunday was the lord's day. the sun was worshiped as lord on that day.
During the first and second century the week of seven days was introduced into Rome from Egypt, and the Roman names of the planets were given to each successive day. The Teutonic nations seem to have adopted the week as a division of time from the Romans, but they changed the Roman names into those of corresponding Teutonic deities. Hence the dies Solis became Sunday (German, Sonntag). Sunday was the first day of the week according to the Jewish method of reckoning. Catholic Encyclopedia.

So are we talking about pagan worship? Christians worshipping on Sunday didn't originate through Roman influence.

 

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Sabbath nor the Jews are mentioned in this passage. "A day" does not meant Sabbath. Why did they not mention Sabbath in Acts 15 as one of the things for the Gentles not to do?

What day do you regard, silly?

 

[from scratch]

Sabbath nor the Jews are mentioned in this passage. "A day" does not meant Sabbath. Why did they not mention Sabbath in Acts 15 as one of the things for the Gentles not to do?

What is the issue of Acts 15? Is it not the keeping of the law? What were the gentiles told? Was it they had to keep the law and be circumcised as the Jews wanted?

 

[Elder 111]

So are we talking about pagan worship? Christians worshipping on Sunday didn't originate through Roman influence.

That is exactly what happened. The introduction of Sunday worship was all about paganism, not Christianity. Try researching it, please don't take my word. Not that I believe you will take my word.
I have seen a couple of Encyclopedias that confirm that, as well as the Catholics themselves. What has happened over the years is that more and more everyone is trying to pin it on the Apostles because to just say that the Church ordained it is not enough any more. At one time the Catholic Church in particular would simply say they did it, not now. Old records would verify that.
Because protestants broke away from the Catholic church they did not want to say that it was of the Catholic either so ways were sought to show that it was of the bible. Solid proof can not be had from biblical record. The three text that are use are have no foundation and one speaks to the Sabbath rather than Sunday.

 

[Elder 111]

What is the issue of Acts 15? Is it not the keeping of the law? What were the gentiles told? Was it they had to keep the law and be circumcised as the Jews wanted?

Circumcision is not in the ten commandments is it? As a matter of fact no reference to the ten commandments is made in Acts 15 in relation to not observing them or any part thereof.

 

[from scratch]

That is exactly what happened. The introduction of Sunday worship was all about paganism, not Christianity. Try researching it, please don't take my word. Not that I believe you will take my word.
I have seen a couple of Encyclopedias that confirm that, as well as the Catholics themselves. What has happened over the years is that more and more everyone is trying to pin it on the Apostles because to just say that the Church ordained it is not enough any more. At one time the Catholic Church in particular would simply say they did it, not now. Old records would verify that.
Because protestants broke away from the Catholic church they did not want to say that it was of the Catholic either so ways were sought to show that it was of the bible. Solid proof can not be had from biblical record. The three text that are use are have no foundation and one speaks to the Sabbath rather than Sunday.

What a bunch of malarkey.

 

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Circumcision is not in the ten commandments is it? As a matter of fact no reference to the ten commandments is made in Acts 15 in relation to not observing them or any part thereof.

The law includes the Ten Commandments and therefore are mentioned in Acts 15.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Worshiping on Saturday is homage to Saturn.

 

[from scratch]

Worshiping on Saturday is homage to Saturn.

 

[Elder 111]

The law includes the Ten Commandments and therefore are mentioned in Acts 15.

Show me. Where does the bible states that the law of Moses and circumcision is the same as/includes the ten commandments? Why was there no mention of the Sabbath here if that was to be removed? Command is given as to what they should do and the point is made that every Sabbath they were in the Synagogues but no command is given about leaving out the Sabbath.
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Paul himself kept the Sabbath ever week.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

 

[Elder 111]

Worshiping on Saturday is homage to Saturn.

Saturn is greater than God? God claimed the day but He certainly said nothing about Sunday.
The interesting thing about it is that God blessed Sabbath, and we decide to give Sunday. Is that not like King Saul? It is better to obey isn't it?