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The analogy is this -- I want you to picture me as being a Mormon going into a Baptist sunday school class of a few guys and saying "Uh - I've been Mormon all my life but am considering leaving LDS to be Baptist"
And everyone said nothing but "Gosh, I don't who in the world would be crazy enough to be Mormon - what iodicy!"
That's what I felt like exactly during my brief foray into the Partial safe house - I slid out with my tail between my legs and deleted my posts
Then even as I was "ready to leave" pretrib - I was NOT ready to hear slanderous garbage about the ORIGIN of pretrib being attributed to Margaret Macdonald - so I argued against the FALSE ORIGIN even while I was no longer convinced of the eschataological position itself
Time went on, I was not the "nicest" poster towards Prets for a long time - yet I found a few full prets who calmly answered my sarcastic exceptions to that doctrine, eventually got a recommended full pret book and found it logical and plausible
and I came to this understanding of the full pret position -- it doesn't force a GAP between 69th and 70th week, it "solves" two major points of friction within Christian theology - that being PAROUSIA DELAY and the dilemma of Israel painted in Romans 11 as "enemies for the gospels sake but still elect because of the fathers" and along with that
was the rather awkward phrase that "all Israel will be saved"
well what exactly does that mean - I mean you have to QUALIFY it somehow - it doesn't mean that every single Jew that ever lived will be saved -- a standard pretrib view I guess was that "all" the end times Jews in 7 yr trib would be saved - sure didn't mean that all the Jews who died from Christ's time til the 7 yr trib would be saved so let's see -- let's apply a little "Calvinist slant" to the word "all" and after all as Arminian I believe in predestination too just by foreknowledge of who will believe and persevere rather than decree unrelated to a man's will -- so
Israel didn't achieve it - but the REMNANT achieved it, and "ALL" of Israel who were destined to be saved before the 70 AD "end of the age" were indeed saved as that remnant
and of course individuals are still being saved from ethnic Israel just like Gentiles, but ALL that were to be saved before that PAROUSIA/JUDGEMENT in 70 AD were indeed saved
therefore I came to an understanding a full preterism that that addressed Peter's questioning of what was taken the Lord so long for a Parousia (he just needed to give it a few more years and there WAS a Parousia according to the Full Prets)
and it addressed Pauls "all Israel will be saved" without violating my basic soteriology
and full prets gave me plausible answers along the way, not all of them overwhelming like this false messiah Menachem being man of sin in Thessalonians but most answers were forthcoming
I still have some issues that are sticky wickets, but I have just begun a study of Full Prettyism maybe being true
there is a TRADITION that Antipas - mentioned in Revelation internally - was martyred in 92 - its just a tradition and only found one place in some eastern orthodox "book of martyrs" a thousand years ago - but it is there Antipas appointed bishop of Pergamum 83 AD and martyred 92 AD - if that tradition is true, preterism's early date for Revelation is blown - but it is after all a lone tradition
And everyone said nothing but "Gosh, I don't who in the world would be crazy enough to be Mormon - what iodicy!"
That's what I felt like exactly during my brief foray into the Partial safe house - I slid out with my tail between my legs and deleted my posts
Then even as I was "ready to leave" pretrib - I was NOT ready to hear slanderous garbage about the ORIGIN of pretrib being attributed to Margaret Macdonald - so I argued against the FALSE ORIGIN even while I was no longer convinced of the eschataological position itself
Time went on, I was not the "nicest" poster towards Prets for a long time - yet I found a few full prets who calmly answered my sarcastic exceptions to that doctrine, eventually got a recommended full pret book and found it logical and plausible
and I came to this understanding of the full pret position -- it doesn't force a GAP between 69th and 70th week, it "solves" two major points of friction within Christian theology - that being PAROUSIA DELAY and the dilemma of Israel painted in Romans 11 as "enemies for the gospels sake but still elect because of the fathers" and along with that
was the rather awkward phrase that "all Israel will be saved"
well what exactly does that mean - I mean you have to QUALIFY it somehow - it doesn't mean that every single Jew that ever lived will be saved -- a standard pretrib view I guess was that "all" the end times Jews in 7 yr trib would be saved - sure didn't mean that all the Jews who died from Christ's time til the 7 yr trib would be saved so let's see -- let's apply a little "Calvinist slant" to the word "all" and after all as Arminian I believe in predestination too just by foreknowledge of who will believe and persevere rather than decree unrelated to a man's will -- so
Israel didn't achieve it - but the REMNANT achieved it, and "ALL" of Israel who were destined to be saved before the 70 AD "end of the age" were indeed saved as that remnant
and of course individuals are still being saved from ethnic Israel just like Gentiles, but ALL that were to be saved before that PAROUSIA/JUDGEMENT in 70 AD were indeed saved
therefore I came to an understanding a full preterism that that addressed Peter's questioning of what was taken the Lord so long for a Parousia (he just needed to give it a few more years and there WAS a Parousia according to the Full Prets)
and it addressed Pauls "all Israel will be saved" without violating my basic soteriology
and full prets gave me plausible answers along the way, not all of them overwhelming like this false messiah Menachem being man of sin in Thessalonians but most answers were forthcoming
I still have some issues that are sticky wickets, but I have just begun a study of Full Prettyism maybe being true
there is a TRADITION that Antipas - mentioned in Revelation internally - was martyred in 92 - its just a tradition and only found one place in some eastern orthodox "book of martyrs" a thousand years ago - but it is there Antipas appointed bishop of Pergamum 83 AD and martyred 92 AD - if that tradition is true, preterism's early date for Revelation is blown - but it is after all a lone tradition
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