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Guess it depends on what truth one is talking about. If you're saying the Holy Spirit leads us back to what we're delivered from, I'd say we're not talking about the same Holy Spirit. Neither can you say we're talking about the same Jesus because - ... the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The ten Commandments was given by Jesus to Moses.
 
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I hope not for one should believe the truth only.
But what about the quotations? Are these quotation correct, if so what does that say?

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
 
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How can tradition be guided by the Holy Spirit?

That is a rhetorical question and an example of a presupposition that you hold. Did you intend to reveal that presupposition? :doh:
 
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I am glad that you think the Holy Spirit also guides in tradition. What might be an example of that?

Your slip is showing college boy. You failed to quote my entire post. Or was it an accident? I have erred in the past so I will give it a pass.
 
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Your slip is showing college boy.

Why do you insist on denigrating people whom you think have a college education of some sort? I don't even know how you were able to determine my educational status.

The only..SURE..guidance.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Check the fingerprints.

There is nothing in here that rejects the Holy Spirit guiding from the pulpit or from tradition. Please state how you are interpreting the passage if you think means something different.

My question still stands, then: Why can't the Holy Spirit guide from the pulpit or tradition?
 
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Your slip is showing college boy.

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You needn't use such a phrase as a pejorative. Education should be aspired to and respected, not used as a feeble attempt at derision.
 
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Why do you insist on denigrating people whom you think have a college education of some sort? I don't even know how you were able to determine my educational status.

There is nothing in here that rejects the Holy Spirit guiding from the pulpit or from tradition. Please state how you are interpreting the passage if you think means something different.

My question still stands, then: Why can't the Holy Spirit guide from the pulpit or tradition?

I have seen enough of your posts to know how you work. :) I ain't that stupid.:p :)

The final say so is in the Scriptures. You know how I feel about tradition.

Excuse me while I change---->>>:angel:
 
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I have seen enough of your posts to know how you work. I ain't that stupid.

Please explain for me and everyone else "how I work." If you think there is something bad about "how I work," you would probably want others to know about it.

The final say so is in the Scriptures. You know how I feel about tradition.

You said absolutely nothing to distinguish between the pulpit or tradition in your post. My question was about both. How do you know what tradition I meant?
 
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Please explain for me and everyone else "how I work." If you think there is something bad about "how I work," you would probably want others to know about it.
You said absolutely nothing to distinguish between the pulpit or tradition in your post. My question was about both. How do you know what tradition I meant?

I really do not comprehend what you are saying/asking. Please rephrase your question for better understanding.
 
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I really do not comprehend what you are saying/asking. Please rephrase your question for better understanding.

I really do not know how much more I can simplify it. Why can't the Holy Spirit guide from tradition?
 
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I really do not know how much more I can simplify it. Why can't the Holy Spirit guide from tradition?

Ok. That is better. Maybe I need to go to college. :D

I see you have used the wrong direction. The Holy Spirit does not guide FROM tradition but tradition FROM the Holy Spirit by the Word of Truth. The Holy Spirit is responsible for the Holy Writ..THEREFORE..Enact Acts 17:11.
Best answer I can give. Sorry

Hey I do apologize if i hurt your feelings. Just in a rare jovial mood. Bush caused me to stub my toe and I am sorta miffed about that. :cool:
 
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I see you have used the wrong direction. The Holy Spirit does not guide FROM tradition but tradition FROM the Holy Spirit by the Word of Truth.

Alright, but I do not see why direction matters if we have established that Scripture is the measure. The Holy Spirit can still guide from both without any problem, it would seem to me.

The Holy Spirit is responsible for the Holy Writ..THEREFORE..Enact Acts 17:11. Best answer I can give. Sorry

I understand that this is your position concerning the Bible. Nevertheless, I do not understand why this would negate the Holy Spirit being able to guide from tradition or use tradition.

Hey I do apologize if i hurt your feelings. Just in a rare jovial mood. Bush caused me to stub my to and I am sorta miffed about that.

Thank you for the apology. However, I have seen you use the "college boy" quip towards several different people, including myself. What do you mean by it?
 
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Alright, but I do not see why direction matters if we have established that Scripture is the measure. The Holy Spirit can still guide from both without any problem, it would seem to me.

If and ONLY if there are no deceivers taking charge. Many times it is not what the pulpit SAYS that is the problem...it is what they do NOT say.

I understand that this is your position concerning the Bible. Nevertheless, I do not understand why this would negate the Holy Spirit being able to guide from tradition or use tradition.

Holy Spirit=Scriptures. Not any manifestation of Deity as some assume. There is an outflow from the Word...THROUGH..the pulpit/tradition (if true). It is up to us to determine what is true by checking the fingerprints. God does give guidelines in His Word on how to study.

Thank you for the apology. However, I have seen you use the "college boy" quip towards several different people, including myself. What do you mean by it?

Have you ever seen "Black Sheep Squadron"? The old Sargent in charge of maintenance on the aircraft used to call the fly boys by that term. I mean nothing by it...I assure you.


Gotta go. Rest easy. I will not call anyone "college boy" again. I promise :angel:
 
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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
I did not call for a judgement nor was i making one. I asked if the statements are correct.
 
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