The Lord's day.

[spiritandtruth2]

Which was John pushing in calling the seventh day "the Lord day"?

This Day is called the Lords Day doesn't sound like a Sunday to me, does it to you?

Zephaniah 1:14-18

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

14 Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
[a]In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
15 A day of wrath is that day,
A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of trumpet and battle cry
Against the fortified cities
And the high corner towers.
17 I will bring distress on men
So that they will walk like the blind,
Because they have sinned against the Lord;
And their blood will be poured out like dust
And their flesh like dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the Lord’s wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured
In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end,
Indeed a terrifying one,
Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

We neebd to check what Rev 1:10 again

 

[Elder 111]

This Day is called the Lords Day doesn't sound like a Sunday to me, does it to you?

Zephaniah 1:14-18

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

14 Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
[a]In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
15 A day of wrath is that day,
A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of trumpet and battle cry
Against the fortified cities
And the high corner towers.
17 I will bring distress on men
So that they will walk like the blind,
Because they have sinned against the Lord;
And their blood will be poured out like dust
And their flesh like dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the Lord’s wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured
In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end,
Indeed a terrifying one,
Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

We neebd to check what Rev 1:10 again

What do you say it is?

 

[By Faith Alone]

What do you say it is?

God is in the process to eradicate sin and death (1Corinthians 15:24-28). The event of which we speak is yet future. The times of the Gentiles is no more:

Dan 2:44-45
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

None of Revelation has been fulfilled. This great act in Revelation is destroyed by "prophecy experts.

 

[By Faith Alone]

The sixth day before Passover...THE 9TH DAY OF NISAN....is our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset.

The fifth day before....THE 10TH DAY OF NISAN....is our Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

The fourth day before...THE 11TH DAY OF NISAN......is our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset...the Gentile "Palm Sunday".

The third day before....THE 12TH DAY OF NISAN...is our Sunday sunset to Monday sunset

The second day before....THE 13TH DAY OF NISAN....is our Monday sunset to Tuesday sunset

The day before... THE 14TH DAY OF NISAN ...The preparation day ...THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION....is our Tuesday sunset to Wednesday sunset

The first day of the feast ...The High Day (Yom tov)... THE 15TH DAY OF NISAN....is our Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset....The first night and day in the tomb

The second day of the feast....THE 16TH DAY OF NISAN....our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset....The second night and day in the tomb

The third day of the feast ….The weekly Sabbath ….THE 17TH DAY OF NISAN...is our Friday sunset to Saturday sunset....The third night and day in the tomb.

The first day of the week ...THE 18TH DAY OF NISAN...is our Saturday sunset... "the third day" of Matt. 16:21, etc.... not the third day of the Feast.

 

[from scratch]

This Day is called the Lords Day doesn't sound like a Sunday to me, does it to you?

Zephaniah 1:14-18

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

14 Near is the great day of the Lord,
Near and coming very quickly;
Listen, the day of the Lord!
[a]In it the warrior cries out bitterly.
15 A day of wrath is that day,
A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation,
A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
16 A day of trumpet and battle cry
Against the fortified cities
And the high corner towers.
17 I will bring distress on men
So that they will walk like the blind,
Because they have sinned against the Lord;
And their blood will be poured out like dust
And their flesh like dung.
18 Neither their silver nor their gold
Will be able to deliver them
On the day of the Lord’s wrath;
And all the earth will be devoured
In the fire of His jealousy,
For He will make a complete end,
Indeed a terrifying one,
Of all the inhabitants of the earth.

We neebd to check what Rev 1:10 again

Good definition about day of the Lord from the Bible. Can't argue with that.

 

[Frogster]

Which was John pushing in calling the seventh day "the Lord day"?

what does this have to do with my wonderful galatians quote?

 

[Frogster]

It is not by faith of which I speak...BUT...the conditions of that "sphere of blessings" (wherein faith is a..requirement...to enter) and to whom these blessing relate.


Remember. We must be "church specific". Look up the Greek for church and the definition.

Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matt 16:18...upon this rock I will build my... ISRAEL.... and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Now we have here another group...THE...church:

Eph 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church.Which is.. his... body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Please read Ephesians and Colossians and compare to the Acts period. Those two epistles reveal our calling in detail. The total doctrine is there. Time for all of us to view our doctrinal position and be ready to change according to the revelations in the Holy Writ. See what is missing and, most notably, study the Gentiles' position now in relation to Israel. Not the same relationship as the Olive tree of Romans 11. And..PLEASE...understand what happened at Acts 28.

one lord, one faith, one baptism, one gospel, the same body...

 

[Frogster]

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; - Acts 17:24

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; - Acts 17:26

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: - Acts 17:30
Now, please read, Exodus 20:8-11, even specifically vs. 11.

Then, if you will, read, Deuteronomy 4:5,6,7,8; Isaiah 42:6, 49:6; Matthew 5:14; 1 Kings 10:1,6,7,8,24; Ecclesiastes 12:13,14.

After considering these, please look again at Acts 17:24,26,30, and recompare to Acts 4:24, 14:15,16.

Then finally, after looking at these passages, read, Romans 7:7,9 and 1 John 3:4.

red above..but your own quote shows god allowed the gentile to be in ignorance, same as Acts 14:16, so how could they be under the law that commanded punishment, heb 2:2, heb 10:28..?


here, I can post text also, and they all show gentiles were not under law..






Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob, his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation; (gentiles mine) they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!



2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.



Passover of the Gentiles, or Jews?

John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.


1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law (gentiles mine) I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.


Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law (gentiles mine)will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.


Deuteronomy5:3
Not with our fathers did the LORD make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.

Acts 14:16 In past generations he allowed all the nations to walk in their own ways.

Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

Romans 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.



There ya go, gentiles then, and now, not under sabbath...

 

[Frogster]

sabbath?


1 thess 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night

 

[from scratch]

Which was John pushing in calling the seventh day "the Lord day"?

There is no such evidence to be found anywhere except in the writings of EGW.

 

[from scratch]

what does this have to do with my wonderful galatians quote?

The usual - nothing.

 

[from scratch]

sabbath?


1 thess 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night

Now that really sounds like a description of the weekly Sabbath as they argue, doesn't it?

 

[By Faith Alone]

one lord, one faith, one baptism, one gospel, the same body...

NOTE....ONE baptism. Do we have two Gods? Or two Lords?

But this is a different body. Not the body during the Acts period where Gentiles were underdogs. THIS calling puts us on equal footing. We go directly to the Mediator of the New Covenant and not through the covenant itself. We were...STRANGERS to the covenants and promises. Their promises were for an earthly Kingdom and not the Heaven far above all.

Our calling is not associated with with the previous body and their calling. Arguing the Sabbath vs Sunday cannot be derived from the Acts period. Not possible. The valid argument can only be made in our dispensation viz a viz:

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

This calling was top secret until revealed to Paul in 63 AD. Jesus did not know about it because He only gave what the Father gave to Him to speak and know. Jesus was the channel of communication and the outflowing of knowledge of this calling was not channeled to the earth in Him. That is why He gave the clear intent in His words the "day is at hand". the Kingdom is nigh...Behold, I come quickly: The thrust of His statements are watered down by not knowing the aforementioned facts that He simply...did not know.

Eph 3:8-10
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 3:5-8
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is... now.... revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

That was AD 63. Ephesians and Colossians are parallel. Keep them together. Look at the verb tenses and the ..."now"...being 63 AD. Look who was given the Key to give this message. Our apostle is...PAUL.

 

[Frogster]

Now that really sounds like a description of the weekly Sabbath as they argue, doesn't it?

I thought you would like that one...

Jesus aid we won't know the day of his coming, so how could the day of the Lord, be the sabbath, if it were, then we would know more that Jesus said we will, so this whole day of the Lord, as sabby, has no scriptural merit..

 

[Frogster]

NOTE....ONE baptism. Do we have two Gods? Or two Lords?

But this is a different body. Not the body during the Acts period where Gentiles were underdogs. THIS calling puts us on equal footing. We go directly to the Mediator of the New Covenant and not through the covenant itself. We were...STRANGERS to the covenants and promises. Their promises were for an earthly Kingdom and not the Heaven far above all.

Our calling is not associated with with the previous body and their calling. Arguing the Sabbath vs Sunday cannot be derived from the Acts period. Not possible. The valid argument can only be made in our dispensation viz a viz:

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

This calling was top secret until revealed to Paul in 63 AD. Jesus did not know about it because He only gave what the Father gave to Him to speak and know. Jesus was the channel of communication and the outflowing of knowledge of this calling was not channeled to the earth in Him. That is why He gave the clear intent in His words the "day is at hand". the Kingdom is nigh...Behold, I come quickly: The thrust of His statements are watered down by not knowing the aforementioned facts that He simply...did not know.

Eph 3:8-10
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 3:5-8
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is... now.... revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

That was AD 63. Ephesians and Colossians are parallel. Keep them together. Look at the verb tenses and the ..."now"...being 63 AD. Look who was given the Key to give this message. Our apostle is...PAUL.

what are you saying, please simplify, because it is one Lord, one faith, and that was eph 4, after it said one NEW KAINOS man in eph 2, and then THE SAME BODY in 3:6.

it says the body of Christ, not BODIES......singular...body...one body...SAME body..3:6...one...one...one..

Lets put on our spiritual glasses..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I thought you would like that one...

Jesus aid we won't know the day of his coming, so how could the day of the Lord, be the sabbath, if it were, then we would know more that Jesus said we will, so this whole day of the Lord, as sabby, has no scriptural merit..

And one reason I created a thread on that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7784979/
Matt 24:20 sabbath question

What was the purpose/reason for Jesus mentioning "sabbath" in Matt 24:20 of the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:
19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath"

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[Frogster]

And one reason I created a thread on that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7784979/
Matt 24:20 sabbath question

u da man!

 

[from scratch]

I thought you would like that one...

Jesus aid we won't know the day of his coming, so how could the day of the Lord, be the sabbath, if it were, then we would know more that Jesus said we will, so this whole day of the Lord, as sabby, has no scriptural merit..

Essentially in their eyes the Bible doesn't have any merit or integrity. If one were to read the Bible and read what is there then listen to them it would be very plausible to reject Christianity and the Bible as bogus.

 

[By Faith Alone]

what are you saying, please simplify, because it is one Lord, one faith, and that was eph 4, after it said one NEW KAINOS man in eph 2, and then THE SAME BODY in 3:6.

it says the body of Christ, not BODIES......singular...body...one body...SAME body..3:6...one...one...one..

Lets put on our spiritual glasses..

Spiritual glasses come from Scriptures:

Eph 2:14-19
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both ..JEW AND GENTILE.. one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of ...twain (Jew and Gentile)... one... new ...man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile... both (JEW AND GENTILE).... unto God in ...one body... by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both(JEW AND GENTILE) have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

The middle wall of partition. Gentiles cross and they were stoned for it. To cross it must mean they were stoned before they were stoned.

This creation wiped out the differences between Jew and Gentile in this respect. No longer inferior as to importance. Same plane. Olive tree hewn at the roots at Acts 28. Please read that again.

The Hebrews were encouraged to draw NEAR:

Heb 10:22 Let us... draw near

We are related NOW (as of AD 63) to the FULNESS of Christ.
Eph 2:13 But now (AD 63) in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are... made.... nigh by the blood of Christ.

Col 3:3-4
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid ...with ...Christ... in.... God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Remember the parable of the patch?

Mark 2:21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.

That is a rent in Acts 28. Final rejection.

The potter's house?

Jer 18:4-6
4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again ...another... vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5 Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

Now. What does this mean?

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Our calling and the Lord were the only two related in this way. All others are SINCE and FROM the foundation of the world. The word "foundation" is the Greek katabole meaning destruction. Themelion means foundation. There was an overthrow of the world before man was created(Genesis gap).

Destruction and overthrow here:

Job 9:4-7
4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

Lucifer rebelled and in the twinkling of an eye God conceived a plan for salvation then destroyed that which Lucifer defiled. Millions (4 1/2 billion?) years later He began the healing process. Our calling, according to purpose, was not revealed..but kept secret from the lizard. Any time He revealed to man Lucifer made a counter-move to frustrate the counsel of God.
God knew this would happen and conceived His plan to crush His head.

Its all in the fingerprints.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Spiritual glasses come from Scriptures:

God knew this would happen and conceived His plan to crush His head.

Its all in the fingerprints.

Wonder if Jesus left any fingerprints when He wrote in the dirt in John 8

http://www.christianforums.com/t7352302-8/#post51099953
John 8 and Jesus writing in dirt
　
John 8:
6 This yet they said trying Him, that they may be having to be accusing of Him.
The yet Jesus stooping down,to the finger wrote into the ground.
7 As yet they persisted asking Him, He up-bends and said toward them "The sinless-one of ye first the stone on her let be casting"!
8 And again stooping down, He wrote into the ground.
[Daniel 5:25]

Daniel 5:24 In-then before-him being-sent the-fingertip, that of the-hand and-the-writing being-signified



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