• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Matt 24:20 sabbath question

  • Thread starter LittleLambofJesus
  • Start date

LittleLambofJesus

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!
Site Supporter
May 19, 2015
125,549
28,532
75
GOD's country of Texas
Visit site
✟1,237,330.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
What was the purpose/reason for Jesus mentioning "sabbath" in Matt 24:20 of the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:19
"Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath"



.
 

Achilles6129

Veteran
Feb 19, 2006
4,504
367
Columbus, Ohio
✟44,682.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Politics
US-Republican
What was the purpose/reason for Jesus mentioning "sabbath" in Matt 24:20 of the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:19
"Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath"



.

Because the Jews would get mad if someone traveled on the Sabbath day:

Matthew 24:1 - Adam Clarke Commentary - Commentaries - StudyLight.org

So traveling on the sabbath would put you in danger if you were in Jerusalem.
 
Upvote 0

maco

Well-Known Member
May 6, 2007
2,144
71
✟2,776.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Since Jesus didn't give the reason everything is speculation but if you understand the other reasons, winter, pregnant we might begin to see how it would be harder on the Sabbath because people might be caught off guard being that they were gathering for fellowship and worship on the Sabbath. The thing that is really cool is that Jesus is confirming the Sabbath even 40 years after His resurrection.
 
Upvote 0

toLiJC

Senior Member
Jun 18, 2012
3,041
227
✟35,877.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
What was the purpose/reason for Jesus mentioning "sabbath" in Matt 24:20 of the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:19
"Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath"
.

"winter" means: crisis period, while "sabbath": crisis moment, because God the Father fell into a millennial sate of half-sleep/half-wakefulness from the seventh day on even till now, therefore He was not able to take care of every human completely, that is why there were many humans till now who suffered more than others, because He turned out to be more asleep to them because of some reasons, here is for example how He turned out to be more asleep even to Jesus and His twelve disciples in the day before His capture - that is why then Jesus said to them: "Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation:"(Matthew 26:41) - that moment is a typical example of "sabbath" i.e. crisis moment

the show of (perfect) love for the others, the right faith and the good prayer wake God the Father

Blessings
 
Upvote 0
F

from scratch

Guest
Since Jesus didn't give the reason everything is speculation but if you understand the other reasons, winter, pregnant we might begin to see how it would be harder on the Sabbath because people might be caught off guard being that they were gathering for fellowship and worship on the Sabbath. The thing that is really cool is that Jesus is confirming the Sabbath even 40 years after His resurrection.
I ink Jesus has the habit(s) of the Jew in mind.
 
Upvote 0

Setyoufree

Newbie
Mar 2, 2013
4,616
94
Southern USA
✟5,400.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
What was the purpose/reason for Jesus mentioning "sabbath" in Matt 24:20 of the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:19
"Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath".

Keep in mind that Christ was addressing believers....He was referring to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Apparently the Sabbath was still valid with believers....Not the way the Jews perverted it.
 
Upvote 0

LittleLambofJesus

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!
Site Supporter
May 19, 2015
125,549
28,532
75
GOD's country of Texas
Visit site
✟1,237,330.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Hmmm. Maybe those under the sabbath keeping law might not be permitted to flee? Just a guess.
Why would that not permit them to flee?


.
 
Upvote 0

Stryder06

Check the signature
Jan 9, 2009
13,856
519
✟39,339.00
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Married
What was the purpose/reason for Jesus mentioning "sabbath" in Matt 24:20 of the Olivet Discourse?

Matt 24:19
"Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath"



.

It would seem unnecessary to mention if the sabbath was to be no more after His death.
 
Upvote 0
Oct 4, 2013
430
9
✟23,109.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Why would that not permit them to flee?
.

Jesus was using an illustration, which the Jews would have been familiar with, he was warning them of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and how difficult travelling was during the winter or on the Sabbath as there were restrictions put on the Jews on how far the could travel on that day.

So when they would have to flee the City of Jerusalem they would bear this information Jesus has given them as a warning to start any travel early as it would be impossible if Jerusalem was surrounded etc.

Nothing to do with the Sabbath as such, but a comparison on how difficult it would be on that certain day to travel anywhere, so the warning from Jesus.
 
Upvote 0

Stryder06

Check the signature
Jan 9, 2009
13,856
519
✟39,339.00
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Married
Jesus was using an illustration, which the Jews would have been familiar with, he was warning them of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and how difficult travelling was during the winter or on the Sabbath as there were restrictions put on the Jews on how far the could travel on that day.

So when they would have to flee the City of Jerusalem they would bear this information Jesus has given them as a warning to start any travel early as it would be impossible if Jerusalem was surrounded etc.

Nothing to do with the Sabbath as such, but a comparison on how difficult it would be on that certain day to travel anywhere, so the warning from Jesus.

There is no comparison being made. Why can't it simply be what was said? Somethings Jesus said were meant to be understood exactly how He said them.
 
Upvote 0
Oct 4, 2013
430
9
✟23,109.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
There is no comparison being made. Why can't it simply be what was said? Somethings Jesus said were meant to be understood exactly how He said them.

Because Christians after Pentecost were not obligated to keep the Sabbath, so Jesus was warning them not to travel winter time, or the day that the Jews, who still celebrated the Sabbath, would make it more difficult to flee.
 
Upvote 0

Stryder06

Check the signature
Jan 9, 2009
13,856
519
✟39,339.00
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Married
Because Christians after Pentecost were not obligated to keep the Sabbath, so Jesus was warning them not to travel winter time, or the day that the Jews, who still celebrated the Sabbath, would make it more difficult to flee.

Jesus was not in the habit of supporting man's doctrines over scripture. If the sabbath was done away with, He wouldn't have needed to mention not traveling on that day. Mind you that this was stated to Jews, the very same people that God said would have the sabbath as an eternal sign between Him and them, so that they would know that He was the God that sanctifies them.

The text does not lend itself to be believed as meaning anything other than what it says. But hey, why even consider that you're wrong about the sabbath not being binding on the "Christian". It's not like Jesus ever said you had to keep the commandments or anything like that.
 
Upvote 0

Johnnz

Senior Veteran
Site Supporter
Aug 3, 2004
14,082
1,003
84
New Zealand
✟119,551.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Widowed
Jesus was using an illustration, which the Jews would have been familiar with, he was warning them of the coming destruction of Jerusalem and how difficult travelling was during the winter or on the Sabbath as there were restrictions put on the Jews on how far the could travel on that day.

So when they would have to flee the City of Jerusalem they would bear this information Jesus has given them as a warning to start any travel early as it would be impossible if Jerusalem was surrounded etc.

Nothing to do with the Sabbath as such, but a comparison on how difficult it would be on that certain day to travel anywhere, so the warning from Jesus.

That's it very well stated.

John
NZ
 
Upvote 0
Oct 4, 2013
430
9
✟23,109.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Jesus was not in the habit of supporting man's doctrines over scripture. If the sabbath was done away with, He wouldn't have needed to mention not traveling on that day. Mind you that this was stated to Jews, the very same people that God said would have the sabbath as an eternal sign between Him and them, so that they would know that He was the God that sanctifies them.

The text does not lend itself to be believed as meaning anything other than what it says. But hey, why even consider that you're wrong about the sabbath not being binding on the "Christian". It's not like Jesus ever said you had to keep the commandments or anything like that.

We have to view it as caring council from Jesus, as when we get to know Jesus well, that was the sort of person he was.

The same as we are told not to travel on certain days, and the reason why it is necessary, to take on board.

It was a reminder, also the Christians among the Jews, their lives were at stake, so it would be very important everyone understood the direction that was given, and not take it for granted, that it was something they all had thought about in advance.

Loving comes to mind.
 
Upvote 0