Struggling with Masturbation

[TravisK]

Are you suggesting the Bible was not written by God, but men? @ Pteter says the bible was written by God through men. So if you disagree with peter and the bible you are not a Christian.

I don't think you know enough about the Bible to argue it.

They feel guilty well it is a sin, hey gays feel guilty to some say it is now not a sin so we don't hurt their feelings. Tell me which is better tell the truth or lie and lead the person to hell.

The bible doesn't say it no masturbation it does deal with under sins of the flesh. Doesn't say we don't have wings either put i am pretty sure we don't, and if I read the story of creation of man i would see hey they were not there, but you would argue they could be.

I am just sick of all the bull, people claim to be Christians and denies the Bible. Blind leading the blind.

It is a fact that the bible was written by men, it is not a proven fact that it was written with God's inspiration. You are choosing to believe that and that's fine, but I am talking about provable facts, not beliefs.

Also, since you seem to believe that masturbation leads to hell, I guess there are no men in heaven.

The bible also doesn't mention Jesus ever taking a dump, but I sure he did that.

You also previously said that we should not do anything Jesus did not do. I guess I shouldn't drive a car because Jesus did not do that. You said wine in moderation is OK because Jesus drank it. Alcohol is a highly addictive substance and you think it is OK to consume that in moderation but not do some masturbating.

When was the last time you masturbated? I am sure you at least have at some point in your life.

 

[Alithis]

It is a fact that the bible was written by men, it is not a proven fact that it was written with God's inspiration. You are choosing to believe that and that's fine, but I am talking about provable facts, not beliefs.

Also, since you seem to believe that masturbation leads to hell, I guess there are no men in heaven.

The bible also doesn't mention Jesus ever taking a dump, but I sure he did that.

You also previously said that we should not do anything Jesus did not do. I guess I shouldn't drive a car because Jesus did not do that. You said wine in moderation is OK because Jesus drank it. Alcohol is a highly addictive substance and you think it is OK to consume that in moderation but not do some masturbating.

When was the last time you masturbated? I am sure you at least have at some point in your life.

the last line of this post is a misdirection (use them myself sometimes if i get a bit emotional in debate lol..to my shame)

we all have - but that does not make is right !

secondly i suspect your post is in violation of the rules on CF .. nicene creed and all that , recognizing scriptures as inspired word of God . i think you should delete this post

 

[TravisK]

If it gets deleted, that is sad because it shows that Christians can be small-minded. There is a difference in beliefs and proven facts. A reasonable Christian would admit that there is a difference.

If it were proven fact, everyone in the world would be a Christian. It is a belief to believe Jesus is God or the son of God, not a fact.

 

[Alithis]

there is nothing small minded about being obedient to the truth of JESUS expounded in the scriptures .it displays a comprehension and view of eternal proportions .

if you not a christian ,just say so and then we will understand where you are coming from -this is not an exclusive club. all are welcome .but there are rules .

 

[TravisK]

You are twisting my words. I never said following scriptures is close-minded, but insisting that it is proven fact is. It is not a proven fact that God exists at all. You can believe there is a God, but so far it is not proven.

 

[Bluelion]

It is a fact that the bible was written by men, it is not a proven fact that it was written with God's inspiration. You are choosing to believe that and that's fine, but I am talking about provable facts, not beliefs.

Also, since you seem to believe that masturbation leads to hell, I guess there are no men in heaven.

The bible also doesn't mention Jesus ever taking a dump, but I sure he did that.

You also previously said that we should not do anything Jesus did not do. I guess I shouldn't drive a car because Jesus did not do that. You said wine in moderation is OK because Jesus drank it. Alcohol is a highly addictive substance and you think it is OK to consume that in moderation but not do some masturbating.

When was the last time you masturbated? I am sure you at least have at some point in your life.

You see and that is the reason you are not a Christian. You give Christians a bad name because you call your self one but don't believe in or follow the Bible, so then people think well I don't have to obey the Bible.

Fact is 2 peter says scripture is written by God through men. This is what is called faith.

Fact is alcohol is not addictive despite what you say. People get addicted to food doesn't mean it is addictive. I saw one person was addicted to eating paper, are you suggesting paper is addictive?

I never said any one was damned to hell. I preached forgiveness over and over again. Your damned if you don't have Jesus, but there still time to repent while alive, but don't wait for tomorrow for you don't know when you die or when Jesus comes.

Why if we only could only do what Jesus would do, now that would be something. Jesus would drive a car. I personally would like to ride motorcycles with him. I think we would have a great time. In fact,i hope i get the chance in heaven. Any thing is possible right

I would recommend you come to Jesus maybe then you would understand.

 

[TravisK]

Alcohol is actually physically addictive. I also think it is funny that you think drinking in moderation is OK but any amount of masturbation is a terrible thing.

Yes, faith is very different from fact. Do you believe in a literal translation of the bible? Do you believe in Adam and Eve and not evolution?

Also, you never answered when the last time you masturbated is. My guess is you also partake despite hardcore preaching against it.

 

[iambren]

Masturbation--everybody does it so it must not be a sin.

 

[Bluelion]

Alcohol is actually physically addictive. I also think it is funny that you think drinking in moderation is OK but any amount of masturbation is a terrible thing.

Yes, faith is very different from fact. Do you believe in a literal translation of the bible? Do you believe in Adam and Eve and not evolution?

Also, you never answered when the last time you masturbated is. My guess is you also partake despite hardcore preaching against it.

What do you mean do i believe God when he said he created man, yes i am a Christian.

Are you tell me you believe we came from monkeys, lol yeah that store is not out there. Despite no evidence. I get it you put your faith in man. I put my faith in God.

 

[TravisK]

So you don't want your kids taught about things like evolution in school?

 

[Bluelion]

Masturbation--everybody does it so it must not be a sin.

Well pretty much everyone in Sodom was gay so by your logic men sleeping with men is not a sin, oh wait God specifically said those words man shall not lie with a man as with woman. Yeah how did that work out for them

so there goes your theory. Problem with humans is they want to be their own God, then they cry and whine when they can't be it. Not me i want God as my God always, i don't want to be God nor could I, nor do I want free will, i want Gods will to be done. i want everything from God and twice on Sundays. but that is just me. I found my way or God found me. You will have to learn your own lessons, lets hope it is not to late then. Have a nice day

 

[Bluelion]

So you don't want your kids taught about things like evolution in school?

Why would i want my kids to be taught a lie. Sure they can teach it under fiction where it belongs.

I want the bible taught in school again.

 

[ThatAthlete]

We should believe the word because it was written by God through man. You just have to have faith and know it was.

 

[TravisK]

Why would i want my kids to be taught a lie. Sure they can teach it under fiction where it belongs.

I want the bible taught in school again.

What else is taught in schools that you don't want taught? It makes me wonder how you were raised and where you were raised.

My parents are conservative Christians, but my dad is also a man of science and a believer in evolution.

 

[Bluelion]

What else is taught in schools that you don't want taught? It makes me wonder how you were raised and where you were raised.

My parents are conservative Christians, but my dad is also a man of science and a believer in evolution.

You can't denied the God and claim to follow him to. I am a conservative baptist to which i am getting my degree.

As far as being raised i grew up all over America. I would doubt you are as versed as me. I have also studied with a number of spiritual leaders in Taoism, Buddhism, Kabbalah, Judaism a class in muslim and on my own hindu. So if you think you can shake my faith, you'll just be fighting God like the others.

 

[TravisK]

How do you know what I am versed in and what I am not versed in? What makes you think I am trying to shake your faith? I am just trying to see where you are coming from and see why you think the way you think.

 

[Bluelion]

How do you know what I am versed in and what I am not versed in? What makes you think I am trying to shake your faith? I am just trying to see where you are coming from and see why you think the way you think.

Right If you read the bible you would understand. the fact is you are trying to get personal information to launch an attack find some chink in the armor. So here is something personal i used to be a trained fighter for a number of years.

Fact is if your read the Bible and were a Christian you would understand. WHat gave you away was when you said the Bible was not the word of God.

 

[TravisK]

I would doubt you are as versed as me.

Doesn't this statement kind of show that you are close-minded? You told a total stranger they cannot possibly be as smart or wise as you without knowing what the other person's experiences or knowledge is.

 

[Bluelion]

Doesn't this statement kind of show that you are close-minded? You told a total stranger they cannot possibly be as smart or wise as you without knowing what the other person's experiences or knowledge is.

actually not closed minded it was an arrogant statement i said on purpose to watch you attack it. Case in point about trying to find a chink in the armor. You don't want to talk about the Bible because you don't know it. tried science but i don't care, so nothing there, now you attack what i said. You are here for one reason to attack me.

You have 14 post i bet all in this thread and you probably saw the thread and sign up to post in it, but it is a Christian section so you had to put you were a Christian to enter which you did. But your reason for being in the thread is to challenge my faith. Like i said i am way ahead of you, and is why i said you would be fighting God.

where your arrogant is to continue with your plan after the info i just gave you. any thing else you like to try?

 

[nvyhus85]

The fact is touching yourself is a sin, because god created to glorify him. Everything we are to do as Christians is to glorify Christ, sex between man and women (husband and wife) glorify good because that is what he created them to do. The world has distorted the bible's context to fit their worldly life styles. But christ says you can worship and also worship the world.

When you touch are you glorifying god and denying oneself, or you selfish and looking at your own glorification?

As it pertains to evolution it is insane to think it is remotely close to the truth. If we all evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys around? Are they rejected from becoming humans, common the signs show their is only one way this came into existence and that is through an artists and creator.