You may not like hearing this, but it is not a proven fact that God called it a sin. You can either choose to believe or not believe that.
Who said it not proven? maybe to you.
there is this Rom 13
11 This is all the more urgent, for you know how late it is; time is running out. Wake up, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12 The night is almost gone; the day of salvation will soon be here. So remove your dark deeds like dirty clothes, and put on the shining armor of right living. 13 Because we belong to the day, we must live decent lives for all to see. Dont participate in the darkness of wild parties and drunkenness, or in sexual promiscuity and immoral living, or in quarreling and jealousy. 14 Instead, clothe yourself with the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ. And dont let yourself think about ways to indulge your evil desires.
so you would have to say masturbation is a moral act.
There is 1john 2:15
15 Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. 16 For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. 17 And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever.
It clearly says here physical pleasure is of this world, make not pleasure, does not mean you can not enjoy your self means the world is lover of pleasure. Now who could argue against that? Ever where we are told do what feels good don't worry. This would argue against masturbation sense the act is pure pleasure.
Gal 5:19
19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Here it says desires of sinful nature are sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasers.
Is masturbation not a lustful pleasure? You would have to lie to say it is not. I would say it is immoral to indulge in a sexual act with your self for your own selfish reasons, at the very least it is a selfish act, self gratifying, how is that moral again?
Eph2:1
2 Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins. 2 You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devilthe commander of the powers in the unseen world.[a] He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. 3 All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to Gods anger, just like everyone else.
See verse 3 passionate desires sure looks like God is talking about lust of the flesh here. Are you suggesting masturbation is not lust of the flesh?
2 peter 1:5
5 In view of all this, make every effort to respond to Gods promises. Supplement your faith with a generous provision of moral excellence, and moral excellence with knowledge, 6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with patient endurance, and patient endurance with godliness, 7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love for everyone.
See verse 6 Slef control masturbation is not self control but a lack of.
and i can go on and on.
Masturbation is a sexual lustful dire of the flesh, we are not to partake of the flesh, for the flesh is of this world. It comes from sinful desires.
And that is to say you touch with out even thinking of a woman or a un clean though, because the moment you do it is then adultery. I don't know one person alive that could keep an unclean thought from entering there mind about a woman while masturbating. So really what we are talking about is adultery. Kind of like saying you can drink a case of beer with out getting drunk.
So really it comes down to adultery, and it can be compared with getting drunk. Jesus never got drunk and warns against it. That is because when you get drunk you do stupid things and fall to sin. The jews believe that spirits enter the body when a person is drunk, hence you get the name spirits for Achohol. If your masturbating even if the act was not a sin your going to think of something unclean and defile your self. Am i say unclean thought defiles you, well it does, but i was referring to masturbating to it.
You don't know the how strict the law is, and that is what we are talking about. Like i said we are under grace and faith and meant to struggle with sin but we are not condemned by it if we have Jesus. But i am a little sick of people saying a sin is not a sin, and they don't need forgiveness. Gays use the same argument it is not a sin they say. So what do they do they write there own bible call it the qeen james bible and take out the part about being gay is a sin. False Teachers that have earned their place in the fire.
