Eternal Security

[KaylaHansa]

How lovely it would be if all Christians would have unity...

 

[Petruchio]

How lovely it would be if all Christians would have unity...

Not at the expense of sound doctrine and submission to the scriptures. I'd much rather battle it out with a sword, at that point.

 

[OzSpen]

Dean,

In your response to John 15:6, you stated:

The difference in opinion seems to arise out of the understanding of the word "abide".​

The difference is not in the etymological meaning of the word 'abide', but your and my understanding of the Greek present tense in that language that indicates continuous action.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

How lovely it would be if all Christians would have unity...

Do you really expect unity in

• eternal punishment vs annihilation?
• Arminianism vs Calvinism on predestination, eternal security, free will?

Is there a possibility of expecting unity while acknowledging the differences? I think there is the possibility for that kind of unity, as long as the differences don't alter the core of the Gospel message and essential theology (eg deity of Christ, the Trinity, salvation through Christ alone, etc).

I have been active in not agreeing with some aspects of Calvinism, but I'm convinced Arminians and Calvinists can have unity on the core issues I mentioned. If we expect total agreement on all aspects of theology between Calvinists and Arminians, I cannot see that happening.

What do you think, Kayla?

In Christ, Oz

 

[98cwitr]

How lovely it would be if all Christians would have unity...

wont happen until Christ returns

 

[Heisluv]

wont happen until Christ returns

Oh Glorious Day!!

 

[98cwitr]

Oh Glorious Day!!

 

[Jere209]

Ahem...

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[DeaconDean]

Dean,

In your response to John 15:6, you stated:

The difference is not in the etymological meaning of the word 'abide', but your and my understanding of the Greek present tense in that language that indicates continuous action.

Oz

Whatever dude.

I know that present tense indicates those "believing" currently.

the present tense denotes action taking place or going on in the present time.

Whatever dude.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

Dean,

In your response to John 15:6, you stated:

The difference is not in the etymological meaning of the word 'abide', but your and my understanding of the Greek present tense in that language that indicates continuous action.

Oz

And again, you ignore what I posted earlier.

Let me refresh your memory:

Also, you might also want to refresh yourself with K-I-T-T-E-L, (did I spell it correct enough for you, ya'll know how us southern redneck hillbillies er) Volume IV, page 576.

By the use of "menien" Jn. seeks to express the immutability and inviolability of the relation of immenance...Thus God abides in Christ (14:10. Believers abide in Christ 6:56; 15:4-7; 1 Jn. 2:6, 27f; 3:6, 24) and Christ in them (Jn. 15:4-7; 1 Jn. 3:24. God abides in believers (1 Jn. 4:16), and believers in God ( 1 Jn. 2:24; 4:16)...After the anology of the personal statement Jn. uses "menein en" for the abiding of the life, 1 Jn. 3:15; love, 1 Jn. 3:17; truth, 2 Jn. 2; anointing, 1 Jn. 2:27. Believers abide in divine things, e.g., God's Word in Jn. 5:38; love, Jn. 15:9, 10; light, 1 Jn. 2:10; doctrine, 2 Jn. 9. Here again the relationship of salvation is both enduring and present.

There is nothing there that agrees with the stuff you said.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DamonRambo]

We did not save ourselves, and we cannot keep ourselves...

 

[OzSpen]

We did not save ourselves, and we cannot keep ourselves...

Would you please back quote so that I know to whom your comment refers?

Oz