When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

[Jon Anon]

Doug bro, its more believable that God is going to raise two Jews in the future to the office of prophets. Because we've had 2k years of gentile domination in Christendom we've been programmed to overlook that its very probable and I'm expecting this that we will have two future Jewish prophets oh God ministering with the 144k Jewish evangelists. Just want to impute that thought since most don't even consider that.

The jews are still blind to the message that Jesus is the only way to salvation...God isn't going to raise up 2 Jews this time he will raise up the 2 witnesses as 2 gentiles that they can join the 2 tribes with the lost 10 tribes...the jews had their Moses and Aaron this time it is the gentiles that will be dealt with to join all the tribes back as one again. It isn't til the 40 day message of Elijah and the day of the lord(judgement on america) that the people go into captivity for the hidden 42 months known as jacobs trouble that everybody mistakenly throw into the 7 year tribulation instead of 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation where the people become holy again when all the cell phones computers houses cars etc are gone and they can seek God with their whole heart instead of 30 minutes on sunday that we will see some amazing things

 

[ViaCrucis]

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About two thousand years ago, give or take.

St. John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah, therefore fulfilling Malachi's prophecy. As per the explicit words of Jesus Christ the Son of God Himself.

There is no third coming of Elijah.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[intojoy]

About two thousand years ago, give or take.

St. John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah, therefore fulfilling Malachi's prophecy. As per the explicit words of Jesus Christ the Son of God Himself.

There is no third coming of Elijah.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jon Anon]

About two thousand years ago, give or take.

St. John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah, therefore fulfilling Malachi's prophecy. As per the explicit words of Jesus Christ the Son of God Himself.

There is no third coming of Elijah.

-CryptoLutheran

So the two witnesses that are promised to come in revelation 11 that bring fire down from the sky and bring whatever plaques they want just as elijah called fire down from the sky is just a "little" misunderstanding or just how is that explained

 

[ebedmelech]

So the two witnesses that are promised to come in revelation 11 that bring fire down from the sky and bring whatever plaques they want just as elijah called fire down from the sky is just a "little" misunderstanding or just how is that explained

Pretty much explained by Rev 11 itself...but since you don't follow the passage you don't see it.

The two witnesses are likened to Elijah and Moses...but the passage gose on to explain how:
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

So we already know they are not Moses and Elijah, because they're further called two Olive trees and two lampstands.

We find those in Zechariah 4...see if you can figure that.

 

[Jon Anon]

Pretty much explained by Rev 11 itself...but since you don't follow the passage you don't see it.

The two witnesses are likened to Elijah and Moses...but the passage gose on to explain how:
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

So we already know they are not Moses and Elijah, because they're further called two Olive trees and two lampstands.

We find those in Zechariah 4...see if you can figure that.

They are called 2 prophets in Revelation 11 and 2 anointed in Zechariah and their bodies lay in the streets for 3 and half days in the end.....really not hard to figure out they are 2 prophets of God.

 

[Douggg]

The jews are still blind to the message that Jesus is the only way to salvation...God isn't going to raise up 2 Jews this time he will raise up the 2 witnesses as 2 gentiles that they can join the 2 tribes with the lost 10 tribes...the jews had their Moses and Aaron this time it is the gentiles that will be dealt with to join all the tribes back as one again.

I don't think it is very likely that the two witnesses will be gentiles. The Jews are more likely to listen to two of their own.

The two witnesses prophesy, which has been Jewish prophets all through the bible.

It isn't til the 40 day message of Elijah and the day of the lord(judgement on america) that the people go into captivity for the hidden 42 months known as jacobs trouble that everybody mistakenly throw into the 7 year tribulation instead of 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation where the people become holy again when all the cell phones computers houses cars etc are gone and they can seek God with their whole heart instead of 30 minutes on sunday that we will see some amazing things

That doesn't make any sense. The Jews do not worship on Sunday. And in the Haredim communities in Israel they don't use computers already.


Doug

 

[Jon Anon]

I don't think it is very likely that the two witnesses will be gentiles. The Jews are more likely to listen to two of their own.

The two witnesses prophesy, which has been Jewish prophets all through the bible.




That doesn't make any sense. The Jews do not worship on Sunday. And in the Haredim communities in Israel they don't use computers already.


Doug

The jews are looking for a moshiach(anointed one) like moses....when the americans are taken into captivity like the hebrew were and then become repentant 42 months later...God will raise up the 2 witnesses and they will part the sea in the same place moses did it as it is marked by a pillar that solomon set up as a marker....when the jews see this happen they will believe the 2 gentile witnesses and accept Jesus as savior and all of Israel will be joined and saved....read Isaiah it shows a 2nd exodus and parting of the sea

 

[intojoy]

So the two witnesses that are promised to come in revelation 11 that bring fire down from the sky and bring whatever plaques they want just as elijah called fire down from the sky is just a "little" misunderstanding or just how is that explained

Elijah will come. I think I've seen a post from crypt Luther on how he doesn't believe in inerrancy of the scriptures.

 

[intojoy]

Elijah will come. I think I've seen a post from crypt Luther on how he doesn't believe in anyone's ability to interpret scripture infallibly so take his belief accordingly.

 

[Bible2]

Jon Anon said in post 1:

When will Elijah the prophet appear in the world?

Possibly mid-tribulation. For in Revelation 11:3-12, the two witnesses could be Moses and Elijah, because the two men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Revelation 11:4) at the transfiguration were Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3). And in Revelation 11:4. the "two olive trees" refer back to the two men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah (Zechariah 4:11,14), which was subsequent to the times of Moses and Elijah.

Moses and Elijah could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, just as they came down at the transfiguration. Also, the plagues that the two witnesses will cause (Revelation 11:6,5) will match plagues that Moses and Elijah caused in Old Testament times (James 5:17, Exodus 7:20; 2 Kings 1:10-14). Elijah never died, but was taken bodily into heaven (2 Kings 2:11b). And Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from Satan (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken Moses' body into heaven, where it could have been resuscitated back to mortal life, like, for example, Lazarus' dead body was resuscitated back to mortal life (John 12:1). This would explain how both Moses and Elijah could appear alive and well at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3).

The two witnesses will prophesy and bring plagues on the world during the future, literal 3.5 years (Revelation 11:2b,3,6) of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 12:6,14), which will be in the latter half of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. That's why the Antichrist's reign will legally end (Revelation 11:15) right after the time of the two witnesses on the earth will end (Revelation 11:12-15). The plagues that they will bring (Revelation 11:6) will be part of the tribulation's 2nd woe/6th trumpet (Revelation 11:14, Revelation 9:12-13). They will be taken up to heaven before the tribulation's 7th trumpet sounds (Revelation 11:12,15).

They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8), for the original Greek word (martus, G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people and bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason that there will be two witnesses (Revelation 11:3) who will bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Revelation 11:6,10b) would be because two witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Timothy 5:19). At the same time, the two "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Revelation 11:7-9). For the same Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Revelation 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Revelation 17:6).

Jon Anon said in post 1:

When paul is speaking of 'the day of the lord' in 1 thessalonians 5:3 he says they will be saying peace and safety right before the day of the lord begins so it is a pre-tribulation time that Elijah arrives on the scene because Elijah will be sent "BEFORE" the day of the lord:

1 thessalonians 5:3:
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

The day of the Lord/Christ (2 Thessalonians 2:2) will begin at the Lord Jesus Christ's 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10), which won't occur until Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, "immediately after" the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8), which is when the rapture will occur (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

1 Thessalonians 5:3 could include reference to when, near the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, at the two witnesses' death at the legal end of the Antichrist's 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 11:8,15, Revelation 13:5-18), the unsaved world will rejoice and make merry, because it will then be free from the tormenting plagues from the two witnesses (Revelation 11:10,6). But little will the unsaved world realize that the plagues of the 7 vials of God's judgment and wrath will then be poured out upon it (Revelation 16). And then Jesus will return and bring the 2nd-coming judgment and wrath of God (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3).

The unsaved people of the world will have no idea that most of them are going to be killed at Jesus' 2nd coming until it happens (Matthew 24:37-39). For they could think that the 2nd coming had already occurred with the coming into power of the Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet (Revelation 13:13-14, Revelation 19:20), who could claim to be Jesus returned. And just as the people of the world shortly before Noah's flood, even though they could see or hear about Noah building his huge ark, no doubt rejected the idea that YHWH had the power to actually cause a global flood which would kill them, so the people of the world at the end of the future tribulation could reject the idea that YHWH has the power to actually defeat them.

For during the tribulation's 2nd half, the world will see the power of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) and his fallen angels (Revelation 12:9), and the power Lucifer will give to the Antichrist to take over the entire earth (Revelation 13:4-8), and to utterly revile YHWH year after year without being destroyed (Revelation 13:5-6, Daniel 11:36), and to physically overcome and kill people in the church in every nation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13). And the world will see the amazing miraculous powers that Lucifer will give to the Antichrist's False Prophet, by which he will be able to even call fire down from heaven in the sight of everyone (Revelation 13:13, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:9).

And near the end of the future tribulation, the world will see the Antichrist's defeat of YHWH's amazingly-powerful two witnesses (Revelation 11:3-9), after which defeat the world will rejoice and make merry and send gifts to each other because the two witnesses had been sending plagues on the world (Revelation 11:10,6). And even though those plagues will be shortly followed by even more plagues from YHWH, poured out directly from heaven (Revelation 16, the tribulation's final stage), the people of the world won't lose their confidence that YHWH can still be defeated. For after almost all of the plagues from heaven are over, the world will see the amazing miraculous powers of some unclean spirits, convincing the world's armies to gather together for a battle against YHWH (Revelation 16:13-14, Revelation 19:19). And so the world could come to that battle at the very end of the tribulation with the same careless attitude as some people at the start of the American Civil War, who held picnics at the expected first battleground of Bull Run/Manassas to watch the battle and what they expected to be a quick and easy victory.

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Jon Anon said in post 6:

I believe jesus also said elijah " shall" come which is future tense

Matthew 17:11

That's right.

Matthew 17:10-13 can be understood as referring to two different comings of Elijah, the first being John the Baptist's coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17, Matthew 17:12-13), and the 2nd being a still-future physical coming-back of Elijah himself, when he will restore all things (Matthew 17:11), in the sense of restoring all true doctrine, i.e. all true interpretation of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16), to the church. This still-future, physical coming-back of Elijah himself could occur at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 11:3-12).

 

[Brian45]

Quote Bible2 - Matthew 17:10-13 can be understood as referring to two different comings of Elijah, the first being John the Baptist's coming "in the spirit and power of Elijah". End quote


Yep , and also to appear visualy as Elijah.

2 Kings 1:8
“A hairy man wearing a leather belt around his waist.” And he said, “It is Elijah the Tishbite.”


Matthew 3:4 Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist;

 

[tranquil]

The first thing we need to determine is when is "The great and terrible day of the lord"?



The question is what sign will bring forth the final Elijah?

Perhaps the sign of the woman clothed with the sun and moon under her feet of Ocotber 6 2013 will be the sign that brings forth the final Elijah with a 40 day call to repentance before the great and terrible day of the lord:

The next thing we need to look at is the misconception that the tribulation period is only 7 years long when revelation 2:10 states you will have tribulation 10 days which represent 10 years:
Rev 2:10:
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer : behold , the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried ; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

There is a time known as Jacobs trouble and people automatically throw this time period in with the 7 year tribulation when actually it should be 42 months prior and separate to the 7 year tribulation bringing the total tribulation to 10 days(years) as stated in Rev 2:10


This time period will coincide with the fulfillment of the 3 fall feasts that need to be fulfilled:

1. Feast of trumpets(Day of the lord)
2. Feast of Yom Kippur(10 days later) representing 10 years
3. Feast of Tabernacles(1000 year millinium)


The time period between Feast of trumpet and Yom kippur are known as 10 days of awe but in actuality they will be 10 years of awe and will end with the death of the two witnesses being the official day of atonement(Yom kippur) as the tishri 1-10 are merely rehearsals to the true fulfillment of the fall feast which could not be celebrated with as much rememberance if they were celebrated with the true 10 years of awe so just 10 days of awe between feast of trumpets and yom kippur are celebrated each year to keep those fall feasts in rememberance


So when the judgement of America comes it will be considered the true Feast of trumpets date and possibly it will be 40 days after the final Elijah shows up which could be October 6 2013. The true yom kippur date will be the final day of the two witnesses testimony and death

Why do you insist on saying Oct. 6, 2013 is the star sign of Rev 12, when it clearly isn't? Where are the 12 stars at her head? Absolute nonsense.

This is the star sign of Rev. 12, sun clothing her, moon at her feet, w/ 12 stars (9+3 planets in Leo), giving birth to Jupiter. This occurs on Rosh Hashanah Sept. 22, 2017, 70 years from 11-29-47 (the "days are shortened"). I posted Sept 23 because the verses say she is in the throes of giving birth, not that she has given birth (meaning it is applicable to Sept. 22 not 23), I show Jupiter as already being born just for simplicity's sake.

As to the 40 day call to repentance, that will occur Nov. 7, 2013 by Billy Graham Billy Graham: ‘Final call’ for America to repent

add 40 days to get Dec. 17, 2013 when all the Comet Ison BS will be in full swing.

 

[Jon Anon]

The problem with leo being the cown is leo only has 9 stars making up the lion constellation...what people are missing is before the 1600's there is a constellation called coma bernrice that is made up of 3 stars and one of the three stats is even called diadem (crown)......originally this constellation made up the tuft of the tail on leo bringing the total number of stars in the crown to 12.....so in 2017 you will have 15 stars with those 3 planets and they will not be permant as is the original constellation of leo with the tuft of coma berneice......so which is more likely she has a crown of 12 stars forever o just a few hours in 2017........really not a hard choice

 

[Jon Anon]

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[ViaCrucis]

So the two witnesses that are promised to come in revelation 11 that bring fire down from the sky and bring whatever plaques they want just as elijah called fire down from the sky is just a "little" misunderstanding or just how is that explained

Nothing in Revelation 11 mentions a third coming of Elijah. Scripture, that is the Old and New Testaments, recognize that there was the historical Elijah the Tishbite, who was assumed into heaven; and then there is St. John the Baptist who fulfills Malachi's prophecy of Elijah's return to prepare the way of the Lord, the Lord being the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus, very explicitly concerning John, says, "This is the Elijah who was to come" (Matthew 11:14).

To say that there is yet another coming of Elijah is to say that Jesus either lied or was wrong.

Frankly, neither seems like a particularly good option.

Either Jesus is right, and John is the Elijah; or else Jesus is wrong and there is yet another. Scripture doesn't leave much wiggle room on the subject.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jon Anon]

Nothing in Revelation 11 mentions a third coming of Elijah. Scripture, that is the Old and New Testaments, recognize that there was the historical Elijah the Tishbite, who was assumed into heaven; and then there is St. John the Baptist who fulfills Malachi's prophecy of Elijah's return to prepare the way of the Lord, the Lord being the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus, very explicitly concerning John, says, "This is the Elijah who was to come" (Matthew 11:14).

To say that there is yet another coming of Elijah is to say that Jesus either lied or was wrong.

Frankly, neither seems like a particularly good option.

Either Jesus is right, and John is the Elijah; or else Jesus is wrong and there is yet another. Scripture doesn't leave much wiggle room on the subject.

-CryptoLutheran

Scripture is like an onion and has many layers.....you stopped looking after only 2 layers of elijah....but we know if you would have kept reading in matthew jesus said john was one fullfillment but goes on to say elijah "SHALL" come and restore all things.....john never restored all things but the final elijah will........dont stop at two layers friend there is another layer yet to come

 

[ViaCrucis]

Scripture is like an onion and has many layers.....you stopped looking after only 2 layers of elijah....but we know if you would have kept reading in matthew jesus said john was one fullfillment but goes on to say elijah "SHALL" come and restore all things.....john never restored all things but the final elijah will........dont stop at two layers friend there is another layer yet to come

I don't treat the Bible like a magic 8 ball or a Ouija Board. And I don't intend to start treating it that way either.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jon Anon]

I don't treat the Bible like a magic 8 ball or a Ouija Board. And I don't intend to start treating it that way either.

-CryptoLutheran

Nobody asked you to but when Jesus said elijah SHALL come he wasnt speaking of john because john already came past tense....and john did not restore all things as the final elijah will....and im sure it will be helpful to have the power mentioned in revelation 11 fire from sky...etc to help restore all things

 

[ViaCrucis]

Nobody asked you to but when Jesus said elijah SHALL come he wasnt speaking of john because john already came past tense....and john did not restore all things as the final elijah will....and im sure it will be helpful to have the power mentioned in revelation 11 fire from sky...etc to help restore all things

Ah, you're right, Jesus does say the following, "He answered, 'Elijah does come, and he will restore all things.'" (Matthew 17:11).

One problem though:

"But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of Man will certainly suffer at their hands." (Matthew 17:12)

So how many layers again?

-CryptoLutheran