Most beautiful month in the year(Ramadan).....

[Rationalt]

I've already told you, I do not regard ahadith as reliable. They were composed two or three centuries after Muhammad.

Lol. It seems you can quote the stories(Derived from hadiths) left and right when it suits you.

Anyhow I have posted adequate quran verses that support the hadiths in that thread.

 

[alex28]

O you who believe! Observing As-Saum (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious) (Al-Baqara, Chapter 2, Verse 183)

In an address to the believers of this Ummah, Allah ordered them to fast, that is, to abstain from food, drink and sexual activity with the intention of doing so sincerely for Allah the Exalted alone. This is because fasting purifies the souls and cleanses them from the evil that might mix with them and their ill behavior. Allah mentioned that He has ordained fasting for Muslims just as He ordained it for those before them, they being an example for them in that, so they should vigorously perform this obligation more obediently than the previous nations. Similarly, Allah said:

(To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He) may test you in what He has given you; so compete in good deeds.) (5:48)

Allah said in this Ayah: (O you who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may have Taqwa).) since the fast cleanses the body and narrows the paths of Shaytan. In the Sahihayn the following Hadith was recorded: (O young people! Whoever amongst you can afford marriage, let him marry. Whoever cannot afford it, let him fast, for it will be a shield for him.)

Allah then states that the fast occurs during a fixed number of days, so that it does not become hard on the hearts, thereby weakening their resolve and endurance.)




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Stay quiet, speak less, and spend time learning beneficial knowledge bro.

People will be people - avoid the small talk.

 

[TheDirector]

It is only in the past five to ten years that the G-d of Abraham has been getting me to take another look at the teaching of the Qu'ran/Koran. At this time I am wide open to the possibility that the Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) had a genuine out of the body or near death experience:

He might have. But from a Christian/Messianic POV, it was not from God, but from the adversary.

 

[smaneck]

He might have. But from a Christian/Messianic POV, it was not from God, but from the adversary.

I'd be careful there, you wouldn't want to be like the people in this story:

22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebul! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.”

23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house. 28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
30 He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit.” (Mark 3)

 

[TheDirector]

I'd be careful there, you wouldn't want to be like the people in this story:

No you wouldn't, which is why no one should say that Christ and Muhammed can go together. They're contradictory; it's either-or.
Either Jesus was right, or muhammed was. They cannot both be.

From a Christian POV, islam is blasphemous. And the same is true in the reverse: Islam cannot look upon Christianity as true, because it contradicts islam.

 

[LoAmmi]

No you wouldn't, which is why no one should say that Christ and Muhammed can go together. They're contradictory; it's either-or.
Either Jesus was right, or muhammed was. They cannot both be.

From a Christian POV, islam is blasphemous. And the same is true in the reverse: Islam cannot look upon Christianity as true, because it contradicts islam.

You did leave out neither.

 

[smaneck]

And the same is true in the reverse: Islam cannot look upon Christianity as true, because it contradicts islam.

I'm not sure what "Christianity" is that Muslims should consider it true or false, but Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah.

 

[TheDirector]

You did leave out neither.

True. An oversight.

I'm not sure what "Christianity" is that Muslims should consider it true or false, but Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah.

Christianity. Christianity and islam are two radically different religions, with different soteriologies and Christologies, different ideas about who God is, etc. There are more theological similarities between islam and rabbinical Judaism, than between the latter, and Christianity.
And while they say they believe that Jesus was the Messiah, they clearly do not ascribe the same meaning to it as Christians do, and, indeed, as was done by the First Church, and even by its contemporary Jewish adversaries.

 

[smaneck]

And while they say they believe that Jesus was the Messiah, they clearly do not ascribe the same meaning to it as Christians do

That's true. The word Messiah means Anointed One whereas most Christians mean Savior.

 

[TheDirector]

That's true. The word Messiah means Anointed One whereas most Christians mean Savior.

Christians are not in doubt as to the etymology of "Mashiach". At least not more than anyone else. Your point?

 

[Arthra]

I'm wondering if there could be bridges between Islam and Christainity where they share some things in common? I'm thinking of some of the inter-faith gatherings I've attended where Muslims and Christians share concerns about society and have common moral and ethical teachings...

Common Ground between Islam and Christianity

 

[BruceDLimber]

No you wouldn't, which is why no one should say that Christ and Muhammed can go together. . . .

Either Jesus was right, or muhammed was. They cannot both be.

On the contrary: I know of literally millions of people who have no trouble whatever accepting both of then as true, valid, and God-sent!

(And BTW, Art is correct in what he says.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[TheDirector]

On the contrary: I know of literally millions of people who have no trouble whatever accepting both of then as true, valid, and God-sent!

But they cannot hold this position coherently and logically, because it is a fact that the messages of Jesus and muhammed respectively, are diametrically opposed.

(And BTW, Art is correct in what he says.

Peace,

Bruce

No, he isn't.

 

[Arthra]

I found an interesting article at

FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS: AN APPROACH FOR FUTURE INTERFAITH DIALOGUES

 

[smaneck]

Christians are not in doubt as to the etymology of "Mashiach". At least not more than anyone else. Your point?

Most of them seem to be. When I ask students in my classes at the university what the word messiah means, they invariably answer 'savior.'

 

[smaneck]

On the contrary: I know of literally millions of people who have no trouble whatever accepting both of then as true, valid, and God-sent!

Those millions wouldn't be Baha'is, would they?

 

[smaneck]

But they cannot hold this position coherently and logically, because it is a fact that the messages of Jesus and muhammed respectively, are diametrically opposed.

What specifically are the differences between the message of Jesus and Muhammad? Mind you, Jesus' teachings should come from Jesus himself whereas Muhammad's teachings should come directly from the Qur'an. Let's not cloud the issue by introducing extraneous material like hadiths written hundreds of years later or the epistles of Paul.

 

[TheDirector]

What specifically are the differences between the message of Jesus and Muhammad? Mind you, Jesus' teachings should come from Jesus himself whereas Muhammad's teachings should come directly from the Qur'an. Let's not cloud the issue by introducing extraneous material like hadiths written hundreds of years later or the epistles of Paul.

Moving the goalposts, I see.
So the Apostles (not JUST Paul..primarily thinking of the 12 here) had no knowledge of Jesus' teachings that He passed on to them, and just sorta made stuff up as they went along because they thought it was hilarious?
But, playing your game:

- Jesus claimed to be God. Muhammed dismissed any man's claim to divninity as the ultimate blasphemy.
- Jesus proclaimed that salvation is through Him, and through faith in Him. Muhammed preached, that salvation MAY come, if one stick to the so-called five pillars, and, importantly, allah is in a good mood at the time and decides that he, as a perfect being, CAN co-exist with sin (as he must, if he is to overlook the sins of the individual, because the good deeds outweigh them).

And those were just the two I can think of off the top of my head. Want more?

 

[smaneck]

Moving the goalposts, I see.
So the Apostles (not JUST Paul..primarily thinking of the 12 here)

Didn't move the goal posts. You stated Jesus and Muhammad are incompatible not Christianity and Islam. So it is Jesus and Muhammad who must be compared.

What you provided below is your own personally summary of what Jesus supposedly taught. Please provide direct quotes from both the Qur'an and from Jesus which illustrate the differences.

Whether or not the apostles got his teachings right is not terribly relevant here. I'm willing to concede for the purposes of this discussion that they recorded Jesus teachings accurately in the Gospels.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Those millions wouldn't be Baha'is, would they?

You noticed that.


Bruce