Icons and the last few years on CF

[dnc101]

Hey, guys! Who knew I'd get taken seriously?!?

You are just a trouble maker ... !!!

Dan

 

[yedida]

You are just a trouble maker ... !!!

Dan

Yes! I am!

 

[Avodat]

How about disallowing visitors reporting anything? Most don't have the first idea what is contrary to this particular forum's beliefs anyway, so why should they have reporting privileges here?

And, yes, Chava, Deana, Desert Rose, Yonah and a few others are not only welcome here, they are NEEDED and WANTED! They are as much a part of this mishpocha as most of the 'regular' MJ posters! We're lacking greatly without them! We feel their absence.

I think that, as far as software is concerned, it would not be very easy to do For non-Messianic Jews I added a couple of lines, too.

I suggest the following for the SoP to replace the existing, similar text:

"In addition, if you do not agree with the established teachings of this faith group, (if you do not accept that Torah Observance is valid, for example) you may not debate issues or teach, but you are welcome to ask questions or post in fellowship. Active promotion or teaching of views contrary to the established MJ teachings of this group will be considered off topic and subject to staff action.

Non-Messianic Jews wishing to have normal posting rights on these fora - to help us in our understanding of Judaism - must respect our MJ faith and not teach or debate against it. Abuse of posting rights will be subject to staff action, as is the case for MJ's."

 

[HannibalFlavius]

:o


I would like to apologize for acting like a dim witted child in my outburst in this thread. It was bad form, insulting, and childish of me.

My sincere humble apologies to Lulav especially,

I'm not a good follower, not a good listener and I always assume too much, and half the time I mix people up.

Please forgive my outburst, I need to step my game up.

I would really, really appreciate it if nobody replies to this message.

I just wanted to share my regret, and apology, that's all.....

I feel like two nickels trying to be a dime.

Carry on!

Free enchiladas for everyone!

 

[anisavta]

Errrm - that is what I was saying! We do not want that.

We're all getting a little gun shy here. I was agreeing with you Avodat. I guess I should have started with "I know!..."

 

[yedida]

I think everything has worked just fine for years. All it requires is tolerance and maturity to make it work. The hiccups in the forum are to be expected- the internet is a free country, so there will always be adverse opinions expressed and pet doctrines offended. There's no such thing as a "safe haven" on an internet forum, and the places where that has been attempted always boil the numbers down one or two posters, then they close. A good forum is like a simmering pot where the lid keeps things from boiling over but doesn't suffocate activity to the point of spoiling the meal.

When did you get so wise, my friend?

I think I'm gonna take your advice (from some other post you made) and just chill out. It's just the internet, just a forum. (When all is said and done, it's the people here that keeps me coming back, not the dialogue.)

 

[anisavta]

"In addition, if you do not agree with the established teachings of this faith group, (if you do not accept that Torah Observance is valid, for example) you may not debate issues or teach, but you are welcome to ask questions or post in fellowship. Active promotion or teaching of views contrary to the established MJ teachings of this group will be considered off topic and subject to staff action.

Non-Messianic Jews wishing to have normal posting rights on these fora - to help us in our understanding of Judaism - must respect our MJ faith and not teach or debate against it. Abuse of posting rights will be subject to staff action, as is the case for MJ's."

I like. Short. Succinct and to the point. Not alot of verbage to clutter up the SoP.
And if people can't abide by these simple rules, then like I say when I'm in Tel Aviv - "If you don't like how I drive - stay off the sidewalk!"

 

[anisavta]

:o


I would like to apologize for acting like a dim witted child in my outburst in this thread. It was bad form, insulting, and childish of me.

My sincere humble apologies to Lulav especially,

I'm not a good follower, not a good listener and I always assume too much, and half the time I mix people up.

Please forgive my outburst, I need to step my game up.

I would really, really appreciate it if nobody replies to this message.

I just wanted to share my regret, and apology, that's all.....

I feel like two nickels trying to be a dime.

Carry on!

Free enchiladas for everyone!

This is not a reply. I just want the enchiladas. Cheese please. Mild.

 

[Chaplain David]

When did you get so wise, my friend?

I think I'm gonna take your advice (from some other post you made) and just chill out. It's just the internet, just a forum. (When all is said and done, it's the people here that keeps me coming back, not the dialogue.)

Excellent points Yedida.

 

[Chaplain David]

:o


I would like to apologize for acting like a dim witted child in my outburst in this thread. It was bad form, insulting, and childish of me.

My sincere humble apologies to Lulav especially,

I'm not a good follower, not a good listener and I always assume too much, and half the time I mix people up.

Please forgive my outburst, I need to step my game up.

I would really, really appreciate it if nobody replies to this message.

I just wanted to share my regret, and apology, that's all.....

I feel like two nickels trying to be a dime.

Carry on!

Free enchiladas for everyone!

Several people have apologized to Tishri and I want to say that it warms my heart and is very heartening too. Authentic cheese or beef enchiladas are my favorites. Yum.

 

[dodari]

When did you get so wise, my friend?

I think I'm gonna take your advice (from some other post you made) and just chill out. It's just the internet, just a forum. (When all is said and done, it's the people here that keeps me coming back, not the dialogue.)

Excellent points Yedida.

And so this forum may well end up with the end product of Parastalsis:

peristalsis [per″ĭ-stal´sis]
the wormlike movement by which the alimentary canal or other tubular organs with both longitudinal and circular muscle fibers propel their contents, consisting of a wave of contraction passing along the tube. adj., adj peristal´tic.

When food is swallowed, it passes into the esophagus. Muscular contractions in the wall of the esophagus work the food downward, pushing it into the stomach. Here peristaltic contractions not only move the food in small amounts into the intestine but also aid in the disintegration of the food and help mix it with gastric juice. Peristalsis forces the food into and through the intestine for further digestion until the food waste finally reaches the rectum, from which it is periodically discharged from the body.

namely, crap.

 

[Yahudim]

You took all those words to say that? Oh that's right; your brother is the lawyer...

And so this forum may well end up with the end product of Parastalsis:

*snip*​

 

[dodari]

You took all those words to say that? Oh that's right; your brother is the lawyer...

Weeeeeellllllllllll, we engineers like to document the quality of our materials before we build a pile of stuff. Then our attorneys go over the specs. and plans so that we go out and build a real pile. I feel confident we shall ultimately see just such a pile here. Some piles come tight, some come loose(great care should be taken that these do not stick). Butt piles happen.

All this talk of piles reminds me of my appointment this Friday with Dr. Procto-man, whom I lovingly call 'The Rhoid Ranger', a man that knows about Scatological Endings.

Anyway, by way of e-mail today, Aniello reminded me of Winnie-the-Pooh's words when Pooh was frustrated which I shall leave now with(prepositions are fun to finish sentences with).

"Oh bother".

 

[dnc101]

Weeeeeellllllllllll, we engineers like to document the quality of our materials before we build a pile of stuff. ...

Yes- I'm reminded of the "Groove Tube" commercials!

Dan C

edit: for you kids in your 40's, "The Groove Tube" was a 70's movie that I'm fairly certain you'll not see on late night TV. Funny though.

"We put a little of this in everything we make ... "

 

[yedida]

Weeeeeellllllllllll, we engineers like to document the quality of our materials before we build a pile of stuff. Then our attorneys go over the specs. and plans so that we go out and build a real pile. I feel confident we shall ultimately see just such a pile here. Some piles come tight, some come loose(great care should be taken that these do not stick). Butt piles happen.

All this talk of piles reminds me of my appointment this Friday with Dr. Procto-man, whom I lovingly call 'The Rhoid Ranger', a man that knows about Scatological Endings.

Anyway, by way of e-mail today, Aniello reminded me of Winnie-the-Pooh's words when Pooh was frustrated which I shall leave now with(prepositions are fun to finish sentences with).

"Oh bother".

Very happy you are one...uh brother, that is

 

[ContraMundum]

LROL! So now we can argue about Native Americans and Judaism as well!

I just don't understand how someone can come here and teach One Law doctrine yet partake in unKosher cleansing ceremonies (which is what dod has testified to) while harassing the mods with endless reports on others not being observant enough. Just confusing to see.

 

[ContraMundum]

To everyone: The issue has always been about people teaching against Gentiles keeping Torah. I will always be against that. It makes me angry when they are given the opportunity. Get over it.

The problem is Tal that one must accept the truth that everyone has a different take on what parts of the Torah are to be kept, and within MJism this is diverse. Accepting that diversity (as far as a forum goes) is perhaps something you should consider, as this is just the way the world is right now. Don't get mad- get peaceful. Let love and charity rule your feelings, and the truth will take care of itself.

 

[ContraMundum]

My wish would be to have a main forum that is only Torah positive and only encourages Torah practice in a positive way, accepts all who feel this desire and doesn't condemn those who don't

Don't we already have a sub-forum for that? Just tighten that already existing area up and no one would have a complaint.

 

[ContraMundum]

I think I'm gonna take your advice (from some other post you made) and just chill out. It's just the internet, just a forum. (When all is said and done, it's the people here that keeps me coming back, not the dialogue.)

It works for me. I used to get worked up about "oh no! I can't sleep! Someone is wrong on the internet!" but I don't now, and my stress levels are lower and my life is freer and more beautiful.

 

[Messianic Jewboy]

A few comments-

First thought- we're still talking about this? Why? I keep hearing a few people yelling "Fire! Fire!" but don't see any fire. The rules are fine- trust the mods. Nothing is perfect, live with the quirks.

Second thought- be careful not to shut out people because they don't appear kosher to you. This could end up like one of the other forums- where diverse opinions (even from within the fold) are seen as "attacks" on the orthodoxy of the forum. There usually is a small few who react this way, but they make life miserable for every visitor and tediously repetitive for the regulars. Just remember everyone is on a journey and be nice to them. Their opinons will change, as will yours.

Next thought- what you don't want to stomach, ignore.

Why is this so hard for the two or three creating all the fuss? What makes their theology the only right one and their halacha the only acceptable way? MJism is big and pretty diverse, and getting bigger and more diverse, The sub-forums can handle the diversity just fine. Use them, folks!

Yes Messianic Judaism has become more diverse. You have the UMJC and MJAA who would say the Torah is for Jews only and have written papers on it. Then you have the CTMOC, Tom Hegg, and other organizations who proclaim a One Law doctrine and have written papers on it.

Then you have Jewish believers who are in line with traditional Judaism in regards to the Torah and non Jews which the likes of UMJC and MJAA are in line with. Then you have the likes of CTMOC who are not in line with traditional Judaism. I don't want to mis-represent the likes of CTMOC but what I'm referring to with the likes of organizations like them it's the binding premise of Torah being binding the same 'weight' as Jews.

I used organizations as an example to show diversity.

I've talked physically and online to leaders of organizations and groups. Again using the above groups as examples the UMJC and MJAA may teach that Torah is for Jews only but even within UMJC and MJAA there are levels how this is taught. What makes the UMJC and MJAA different from traditional Judaism is the more vast participations of non Jews in the respected synagogue communal setting. Both Messianic Judaism and traditional Judaism in general teach Torah for Jews only however Messianic Judaism(speaking from a UMJC, MJAA etc perspective) are 'open' for non Jews observing Torah. In other words the difference would be yes Torah is for Jews only however we are tolerant to non Jews observing certain Torah commands.

Here is a quote from a UMJC rabbi in a discussion I had.

"You are correct in your understanding of the main UMJC position on Torah and non-Jews. We are obviously all equal before God through Yeshua but there clearly seems to be different obligations...cf. brit milah, tzitzit just to name a few ."

"We discourage it(non Jews wearing tallit) because it is a sign of the Jewish covenant (Num.15). Confusing if non-Jews wear it."

It was even noted some congregations are more tolerant.

Then you have groups like CTMOC who wouldn't discourage non Jews wearing tallit. And would use various scripture to support their Torah being for all and/or Torah for all equally such as Exodus 12:38.

There have been debated between UMJC and Tim Hegg on Gentile observance. Both sides agree on the perpetual validity of the Mosaic Covenant. One side has argued against 'insistence' 'obligation' of non Jew observance. The other side has argued against with the same biblical proof texts.

So there is diversity. I know believers who are part of the likes of UMJC and MJAA who know where they stand on the subject but find 'refuge' on online communities and forums because although they attend a congregation don't agree with where they stand on the subject.

I'm a Jewish believer which doesn't make me better than a non Jewish believer. Since I'm a Jewish believer I am more 'comfortable' between traditional Judaism and what the UMJC rabbi quote I posted above. Reason is because I believe Messianic Judaism is part of the Jewish community and Messianic Judaism seeks to be part of the same Jewish community. It was no accident that my MJ congregation opened up in my old neighborhood where there was a heavily populated Jewish community already present.

And yes the likes of CTMOC , Tim Hegg etc also make valid points on the 'bindness' of Torah for non Jews.