Icons and the last few years on CF

[Gxg (G²)]

To love one another......

Hard enough to do in everyday life

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Shimshon

To love one another......
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Hard enough to do in everyday life

Why should loving one another be that difficult for those in Christ? Just curious...

Rom 13:8
Owe no one anything except to love one another,
for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
1Peter 3:8
Finally, all [of you be] of one mind, having compassion for one another;
love as brothers, [be] tenderhearted, [be] courteous;
1John 4:12
No one has seen God at any time.
If we love one another, God abides in us,
and His love has been perfected in us.

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[Shimshon]

It's not up for discussion as its offensive and off topic to this forum

I have to wonder why then has it been discussed by other members of this forum on both sides of this issue for years, with respect mostly, and now it is being leveled against just Gxg here? I see many members have talked about it openly, but now because G has commented to vis on the topic she brought up, it's a no go at all? Can't say i'm understanding the fairness in your response Tishri. There are many more violations in this thread for you to focus on than the one your accusing G of. Falsely might I add. He's not 'teaching' the eucharist, he was identifying that many in the Messianic world discuss it's relevancy, even many in this very thread, and in this very forum. But now G is the bad guy? I'm not buying it.

 

[Avodat]

Be careful - we are not permitted to discuss or criticise staff actions or decisions in threads!

 

[anisavta]

G was teaching on this thread instead of starting a new one. Instead of addressing the issue at hand, icons and who should be allowed to teach, he began a long dissertation on a subject that was not relevant. Not to mention, he has no identifying icon so no one knows what team he's actually playing for.

 

[dodari]

G was teaching on this thread instead of starting a new one. Instead of addressing the issue at hand, icons and who should be allowed to teach, he began a long dissertation on a subject that was not relevant. Not to mention, he has no identifying icon so no one knows what team he's actually playing for.

But G does have an identifying Icon. It is for the Oriental Orthodox church, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Shimshon]

G was teaching on this thread instead of starting a new one. Instead of addressing the issue at hand, icons and who should be allowed to teach, he began a long dissertation on a subject that was not relevant. Not to mention, he has no identifying icon so no one knows what team he's actually playing for.

Wrong on both counts. He was not 'teaching' the eucharist, he was responding to vis mentioning the eucharist in relation to who is a MJ and who is NOT, which IS the focus of this thread.

Not to mention, G's Messianic affiliation has LONG been mentioned, understood, and discussed. Each year you try to excommunicate him from the forum. Do you have him on ignore? or have you not read the many times he described how he is an assistant leader/deacon within a Messianic congregation? Or do you just blindly believe all the false claims about his NON affiliation with Messianic Judaism despite the years of defending himself here?

To claim you don't know 'which team' he plays for is quite rediculous at this point. Since his membership has been being questioned for years in the open forum by the anti-Christian members here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7706929/#post63446274

Originally Posted by Tishri1

I go here
Baruch Haba! Welcome! : Kehilat Ariel Messianic Synagogue
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Originally Posted by Gxg(G2)
Shalom, Tishri1. Nice to meet you and see where you blossom

My garden's at Congregation Miskan David..and by extension, the study group connected with it known as Mivdad Shem HaKodesh ( here, where I'm one of the assistant leaders/deacons)--and I happen to connect well with other MJish believers who have a love for Holy Hip Hop ( #21 / #1 ) and houses of prayer

http://www.christianforums.com/t7641369-6/#post60095016

You should check this thread out before you make further allusions to Easy's particiapation in Messianic Judaism and his 'accepted' participation in this forum by multiple staff members.

Notice too, "where I am one of the assistant leaders/deacons". He is not only a member of a Messianic 'JEWISH' congregation, he is an assistant leader in another Messianic JEWISH study group. And this was identified to staff administrators over a year ago.

Yet you are the one braking the rules by attacking his personal particiaption, implying he is NOT a member of Messianic JUDAISM with no rights to post in this Messianic Jewish forum.

From staff interaction over a year ago. Yet, eveyone here wants to continually question the validity of his membership here. As if he's only playing a MJ with an agenda. That is called slander, especially when you have been made aware of it over and over again.

 

[Avodat]

Libel, maybe, not slander

 

[anisavta]

But G does have an identifying Icon. It is for the Oriental Orthodox church, if I'm not mistaken.

It doesn't show up on my screen. He's got a party affiliate, flag, member in years, camera and blessings, but no icon.
The only reason I harp on this is because it seems unfair that some who change icons or don't have one can teach for hours and others who have an icon, but not the scroll or menorah and yet are our bright spots are getting slammed. Does it depend on who can say the most or last the longest or has friends from other forums who are invited over for reinforcements get the most toys? Or ones who know how to say the right things at the right times to the right people get to stay and others get the left hand of fellowship? Reminds me of the welfare system.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Wrong on both counts. He was not 'teaching' the eucharist, he was responding to vis mentioning the eucharist in relation to who is a MJ and who is NOT, which IS the focus of this thread.

Not to mention, G's Messianic affiliation has LONG been mentioned, understood, and discussed. .

Although I appreciate the response as it concerns accuracy, I am not really concerned in regards to the comments made by the individual you responded to. One, I addressed the issue at hand (icons and who should be allowed to teach) at length prior to any remote tackling of the topic of Eucharist - and that was after someone else already chose to teach on the issue/subject. Zero mention (as with many things when it comes to being selective in application) was made on others who already chose to teach on the issue - and nothing was said to others bringing up the issue that they should've stayed on the topic at hand and made another thread on the matter when it came to them giving Didactic comments intended to teach on who was...and wasn't MJ based on a view of it they had.

If there cannot be consistency in argumentation, that will be relevant to what happens practically.

Two, on the claim of having no identifying icon so no one knows what team I'm apparently for, I addressed similar claims by the same individual when it came to repeating the same error elsewhere (as seen in #69 ) - concerning where I've always made clear throughout CF my agreement to/relationship with Messianic Judaism while noting my relationship to Christianity - specifically Eastern Christianity when it comes to Oriential Orthodoxy/the work I do with others in that realm. This was noted years ago when I had a Messianic icon while spelling out in my "About Me" section my heart for OO Culture - and there are numerous threads made on the issue in CF where that was plain. ....but in April, I chose to switch to an OO Icon while keeping all the info in my "About Me" section the same: Still with the Messianic fellowship I go to and working with others in OO. And I noted in my signature where I'm with things.

This is nothing new - and as said before, there are others who've experienced the same. Daughter of Ararat (#5 /#27 /#85 ) is a prominent example - as she's Jewish and identifies as Messianic (more here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here) and has been involved in synagogue.....and she used to have a Messianic icon as well. However, she also goes to an Armenian Orthodox (Oriential Orthodox) church... and later switched icons to show the OO Side of her while still identifying as Messianic in her profile and her interests. Andd as shared in some of our conversations, "There is a cultural commonality and similarity of approach in the Orthodox and the Messianic Jewish (or sometimes in the MJ) that I feel like it expresses something important about who I am.... Both aspects reflect part of my faith and understanding of the world." I can relate to where she's at as I've been there for years (as it was when I had a Messianic icon) - for I work with others in OO and feel OO (Oriential Orthodoxy) reflects Jewish culture the best (IMHO) in regards to how it reflects a way of original understanding that had its Jewish roots and its Semitic culture as a basis for understanding the thought, vision, and the teachings of Jesus (or Yeshua as he was called in the Aramic and in His day) , I am glad for it ( #1 , #1 , #1 #3 ) even as I'm thankful for Messianic Jewish culture.


Other Messianic Jews and Non-Messianic Jewish unbelievers have already covered the issue for what it is when it comes to claims that are not even consistent with what has happened historically - and be it with ContraMundum (when he, as a Messianic Jew working with Messianic Jewish fellowships/teaching, had an Anglican Parish and had an Anglican icon to show his identification with the Church he most agreed with) ....... or Daughter of Ararat in her doing similar or several others who did the same....and were not questioned on allegiance (and they know where I come from as well in agreement with them), I don't see it being anything short of misrepresentation to try pushing the issue as if others haven't be honorable in showing where they stand.

We've already had other Messianics sharing where they to Church as well as their Messianic fellowship - and it didn't take looking to a Messianic icon in order to see where they shared on it, be it in postings or signature or in their "About Me" bios. And that goes for others who had a Messianic icon for some time but later switched. The only logical way to be consistent - if REALLY claiming it's somehow unfair" for others to do the same - is to address each/every person throughout history who does so. But selectively arguing here on the issue only shows BIAS ...and a willingness to practice partiality.

We already have it where others in having Non-Messianic icons are getting slammed EQUALLY with others - and that also goes for Non-believing Jews getting slammed for sharing even though they're not even believers in Yeshua, yet they contribute to discussion on Judaism/its multiple facets. The same issues they've raised are also what has been raised by others who ARE Messianic - identifying with the movement/working in it - and yet not seeking to have a Messianic icon since that's not the only way for identification.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Why should loving one another be that difficult for those in Christ? Just curious...




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Love is a choice and one you have to choose to make even if you don't wish it. The concept of choosing to be "longsuffering, bearing with one another in love (Ephesians 4:1-3 ) and "forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another" ( Colossians 3:12-14/Colossians 3 ) - and as that's something that doesn't always come naturally since it's a practice, it is not something one expects to not be difficult at times. The issue of dying to self and living for Christ daily....( Mark 8:33-35 )

The Word commands us that "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men" ( Romans 12:18 ) - and that means we work hard to live at peace with us as much as possible....something that takes work

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent love for one another, for “love will cover a multitude of sins.”[c] 9Be hospitable to one another without grumbling. 10 As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11 If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

 

[dodari]

It doesn't show up on my screen. He's got a party affiliate, flag, member in years, camera and blessings, but no icon.
The only reason I harp on this is because it seems unfair that some who change icons or don't have one can teach for hours and others who have an icon, but not the scroll or menorah and yet are our bright spots are getting slammed. Does it depend on who can say the most or last the longest or has friends from other forums who are invited over for reinforcements get the most toys? Or ones who know how to say the right things at the right times to the right people get to stay and others get the left hand of fellowship? Reminds me of the welfare system.

Hmmm? On my screen G shows gender, Oriental Orthodox cross, party, flag and so on. I dunno????????

 

[Lulav]

Please start with the offender in Post 77, I have cataloged almost two Dozen posts where they constantly spam this forum with that anti-jewish link .

Post #85

What was anti-Jewish about it?
Why?

Post #102

How is it an insult in your eyes?
Didn't Jesus often insult the Jewish rulers in the Gospels?

Post #158

Yakety Sax is pretty kewl also

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD


The Chariot Race Scene From Ben Hur, Now With Yakety Sax - YouTube

Ok dealt with

Post #204

Why should loving one another be that difficult for those in Christ? Just curious...

And yet he still keeps posting in here. Could you please make this a MJ forum discussion only because some are just too obtuse to understand this and keep interrupting with distracting and inane posts and links. And while you are at it, maybe the sop should be amended to say that those that aren't members of this forum can ask legitimate and non-baiting questions? This above is not fellowship, or true questions.

 

[Lulav]

Just a comment on the 'E' word being discussed, I have to say that that word turns my stomach, it always has, I can't explain why, but it does.

Anyway, seeing the amount of posts on this thread it seems that there are only a few people that have a dog in this fight. It should also be noted that those who aren't recognized members of this forum seem to have to get in on this.

Who Posted? Total Posts: 215
User Name Posts
Gxg (G²) 48
Avodat 25
visionary 19
Tishri1 16
Shimshon 14
dodari 12
Rachel Rachel 12
Steve Petersen 9
dnc101 8
yedida 6
LittleLambofJesus 6
ContraMundum 5
annier 5
anisavta 5
sacerdote 4
Lulav 4
HannibalFlavius 4
Norbert L 4
mishkan 2
talmidim 2
cyberlizard 1
netzarim 1
Philothei 1
ChavaK 1
sevengreenbeans 1

I've also noticed more icon changing, frankly I am tired of the branding.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Why should loving one another be that difficult for those in Christ? Just curious...
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And yet he still keeps posting in here. Could you please make this a MJ forum discussion only because some are just too obtuse to understand this and keep interrupting with distracting and inane posts and links.

And while you are at it, maybe the sop should be amended to say that those that aren't members of this forum can ask legitimate and non-baiting questions?
This above is not fellowship, or true questions.

How was the question, in my post you quoted, not legitimate?



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[Shimshon]

Just a comment on the 'E' word being discussed, I have to say that that word turns my stomach, it always has, I can't explain why, but it does.

Anyway, seeing the amount of posts on this thread it seems that there are only a few people that have a dog in this fight. It should also be noted that those who aren't recognized members of this forum seem to have to get in on this.

Who Posted? Total Posts: 215
User Name Posts
Gxg (G²) 48
Avodat 25
visionary 19
Tishri1 16
Shimshon 14
dodari 12
Rachel Rachel 12
Steve Petersen 9
dnc101 8
yedida 6
LittleLambofJesus 6
ContraMundum 5
annier 5
anisavta 5
sacerdote 4
Lulav 4
HannibalFlavius 4
Norbert L 4
mishkan 2
talmidim 2
cyberlizard 1
netzarim 1
Philothei 1
ChavaK 1
sevengreenbeans 1

I've also noticed more icon changing, frankly I am tired of the branding.

That list you see ARE the members! All of us! 'We' are fighting for inclusion, to be acceped within the family. Not cast out of the camp, to be hung on a cross! Is that such a bad thing for a Jew to do?

 

[Lulav]

I don't consider Jew haters, members, if that's the case...................

 

[daq]

That list you see ARE the members! All of us! 'We' are fighting for inclusion, to be acceped within the family. Not cast out of the camp, to be hung on a cross! Is that such a bad thing for a Jew to do?

This statement concerning the Cross of Messiah is offensive, (in addition to being in opposition to Hebrews 13:12-13 and the mindset of what true talmidim-disciples should be and act like). I can only hope and assume that you did not mean it the way it sounds. Perhaps it is unwise for you to compare yourself to being "crucified" by this forum and its members because it is your doctrine that does not add up and likewise subverts the rules set forth for this particular faith group. It is not yourself that is being rejected but rather your doctrine and those "with you in your struggle for acceptance" (it is you who said "we" when you said you and your theologically minded friends are "fighting" to be accepted here). This is not a congregation but rather a little faith group in a large internet Forum with board rules. You and those "with you" have already shown, by the teachers and instructors whom you quote, praise, and link to in your posts, that your own theological mindsets are in agreement with that of Dr. Fruchtenbaum, (just an example of one of the more recently quoted scholars which I happened to notice) who clearly admits that the end result of his exhaustive labors was to conclude that all 613 commandments and Torah itself has been "rendered completely inoperative" and "completely invalidated" at the Cross of Messiah.

In truth what you and those in your camp are "fighting" for is tantamount to going to the Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum, into the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture Believers Safe House" thread at the top of the page, and then proceeding to teach against the very things for which the safe house thread was created to begin with. Would your responses be the same in that board as they are here? when you would surely be asked to discontinue posting against the rules? Would you say to them: "If you loved your brother you would accept me as I am and let me continue to teach how false your rapture theories are" In other words your own arguments are "red herrings" and "straw man" false suppositions; the same things you have already accused me and others of doing elsewhere when it was not even true. It is not a "witch hunt" to inform someone that he or she is in rebellion against the rules when he or she is, in fact, in rebellion against the rules.

 

[Avodat]

That list you see ARE the members! All of us! 'We' are fighting for inclusion, to be acceped within the family. Not cast out of the camp, to be hung on a cross! Is that such a bad thing for a Jew to do?

'All' of us? 'We'? I'm not fighting for inclusion anywhere. I'm quite comfortable with my place here and can't see any reason that I should fight for it. I'll fight for the truth of Scripture and clarity in the rules by which we work, yes, but I have no worries here! Include me not in your perceived struggle, please!

 

[MessianicMommy]