The Snare

[Loudmouth]

Dear Loud, I have God's Holy Word for it, which is better than man's changable science.

Obviously not, since all of the evidence points to humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps.

You claim that God's Word is true because it agrees with the discoveries of science, but now you are turning right around and claiming that science is wrong because it disagrees with your interpretation of the Bible. Can't have it both ways.

You have evidence of the evolution of the sons of God (Prehistoric man) whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day. YOU have NO evidence of the arrival of Humans on this Planet. This happened some 10k years ago and human civilization can be traced back to the arrival of the Ark, on our Earth. Here is evidence of their arrival:

I have evidence of humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps about 5-7 million years ago.

There were NO farmers on this Planet until Noah arrived. Noah was a direct descendant of the FIRST farmer, Adam. Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat, in Northern Mesopotamia some 10k years ago. His descendants walked out of the mountains into the valleys of Mesopotamia and human civilization began on this earth. History agrees since the first Human cities, on this Planet are the same as the one's built by Noah's great grandsons and listed in Genesis 10.

Evidence for these claims please.

Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric man) on this Planet. The offspring are the Humans (descendants of Adam) who are alive today, on Planet Earth. That is HOW the sons of God evolved or changed into humans. It happened when they married the descendants of Adam, who arrrived on our Planet in the Ark.

Evidence please.

Aman:>>In fact, today's Science cannot tell us the difference between human and animal intelligence TODAY....
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Calling ourselves animals is the same as calling ourselves Bacteria.

No it isn't. Do you know how taxonomy works? It appears that you don't. Bacteria are in a separate kingdom with other prokaryotes. We are eukaryotes.

We are Humans, descended from Adam, the first Human,

Evidence please.

This, of course, destroys the ideas of Godless AND Theistic Evols who have taught our children that humans evolved from other living creatures. Adam was a Special Creation made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang. Humans did NOT evolve, but we are destined to rule Heaven, because we were made FIRST.

How do bare assertions with no evidence behind them destroy anything?

Aman:>>Either produce YOUR evidence HOW and WHEN we evolved from animal to human intelligence, or everyone will see that you don't know.

We are animals.
Animals

Please learn some taxonomy.

That's all well and good but where are the I.Q. Tests from millions of years ago? That's the best way we can measure intelligence today. Right? Physical evolution does NOT prove when we inherited the higher Human intelligence of Adam. Does it?

Actually, we can measure the increase of brain size through time by looking at transitional hominid fossils:

The Panda's Thumb: Fun with Hominin Cranial Capacity Datasets (and Excel)

Again, more evidence for humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps.

Again, you are speaking of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and NOT humans.

Then why do we share genetic markers with other apes that can only be explained by shared ancestry?

Scripture tells us that God brought forth from things which do not appear, things that do appear. This is what Albert Einstein learned. Matter and Energy are the same. Matter comes from Energy, etc. Was it just luck that ancient man knew this? Or is the Truth that God reaveals Himself by telling us things which ONLY God could have possibly known, at the time?

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that energy is equivalent to mass times the speed of light squared. Again, you are making stuff up.

Is that all you've got? Do you keep asking for evidence while ignoring the Fact that you offer NONE of your own?

Already offered over 30 pieces of evidence for evolution thus far. It appears that you are ignoring it once again.

Please address the evidence.

Believing that a concept (evolution) can produce human intelligence in Apes is ridiculous.

Then show that it is false by referring to the evidence.

Magical Chemical abiogenesis does NOT explain a thing about HOW and WHEN we inherited the highest form of intelligence, like God's, from Adam. Abio is all about the physical.

Evolution does explain it, and you keep ignoring the evidence that demonstrates our evolution from a common ancestor with chimps.

Are you now claiming that the Bible is NOT True?

I am claiming that we have mountains of evidence for the evolution of humans from a common ancestor of chimps. You are the one claiming that if this is true then the Bible is false, not I. You are the one pitting your Bible against science, not I.

When you realize that God's Truth MUST agree with every other discovered Truth,

Humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps is one of those discovered truths.

Gen. 1:21

And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

I didn't ask for bible verses. I asked for evidence. Where is the evidence that life was created by a deity?

The Dinos came from the Bacteria in the water. Right?

No, they came from reptiles on the land.

Scripture says NOTHING about Dinos being on the first Earth.

Perhaps you should start looking at the facts.

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Hitch, God's Holy Word, to me, is the interpretation which agrees with EVERY other discovered Truth of mankind.

Then why do you reject the evolution of mankind from a common ancestor with apes?

My view agrees in EVERY way with every discovery of Scripture, Science and History.

So your view agrees with humans evolving from a common ancestor with other apes?

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Loud, Sure I can. I know many people who understand what I post. The only problem I've had is the reading comprehension of some atheists, agnostics, and other such unbelievers. Scripture tells us that unbelievers cannot understand the Spiritual, and that is evidently your problem.

Theists make up the spiritual. I understand that just fine.

Your posting strategy is to ask for more and more evidence and then discount the entire conversation by claiming that you have refuted your opponant's view.

My strategy is to ask for evidence and then point out that you have not supplied any.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

My view agrees in EVERY way with every discovery of Scripture, Science and History. This allows one to see the errors of Science clearly. ie. Science tells us we evolved from other living creatures, but God's Truth tells us humans were made FIRST, before ANY other creature making it impossible for us to have evolved from other living creatures.
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Cabvet:>>You have to look up the meaning of the word "agree".

Dear Cab, Not so. The FACTUAL discoveries of Science agree with God. The FALSE THEORIES of some scientists, such as the TOE, cannot be proven because of the false assumptions made from the FACTS which make up a scientific Theory.

It'a fact that mankind evolved or adapted over time, but it is absolutely FALSE that we evolved our human intelligence from mindless Nature. The missing link is Noah.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Science tells us we evolved from other living creatures...

Hitch:>>Correct. This can be demonstrated with multiple independent lines of evidence.

Dear Hitch, Humans did NOT evolve from any other living creature. Humans were made on the 3rd Day, billions of years BEFORE every living creature was brought forth from the water. Genesis 1:21

The problem is that today's Science is ignorant that life began on another world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ALL of the False Assumptions of the Theory of Evolution MUST be corrected IF we wish to teach our children the Truth of where Humans actually originated.

In Love,
Aman
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[CabVet]

Originally Posted by Aman777

My view agrees in EVERY way with every discovery of Scripture, Science and History. This allows one to see the errors of Science clearly. ie. Science tells us we evolved from other living creatures, but God's Truth tells us humans were made FIRST, before ANY other creature making it impossible for us to have evolved from other living creatures.
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Cabvet:>>You have to look up the meaning of the word "agree".

Dear Cab, Not so. The FACTUAL discoveries of Science agree with God. The FALSE THEORIES of some scientists, such as the TOE, cannot be proven because of the false assumptions made from the FACTS which make up a scientific Theory.

It'a fact that mankind evolved or adapted over time, but it is absolutely FALSE that we evolved our human intelligence from mindless Nature. The missing link is Noah.

In Love,
Aman

Now you have to look up the word "factual", and while looking that up you should try to learn what the factual discoveries of science are.

By the way, you should also try to learn how to properly use the quote function in this forum. It is really easy and makes post much easier to read.

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>My view agrees in EVERY way with every discovery of Scripture, Science and History.
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Loud:>>So your view agrees with humans evolving from a common ancestor with other apes?

Dear Loud, NO. The False Theory of Evolution is NOT Science, but a False Assumption of some men who made a serious error in their flawed calculations. Science has mistakenly assumed that humans evolved from other living creatures. God tells us we were made FIRST billions of years BEFORE any other living creature.

The reason for this mistake of Evols is that Humans were first made on a world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Humans were made long BEFORE the bacteria began to grow, some 3.7 Billion years ago, on our Earth. Do I need to remind you that the Big Bang was some 9 Billion years BEFORE our Solar system was formed?

The humans on this Planet have NOT completed a single Day or Age in God's time. That's God's Truth.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Cab:>>Now you have to look up the word "factual", and while looking that up you should try to learn what the factual discoveries of science are.

Dear Cab, Can you point out ANY scientific error I have made? Of course not. All you can do is parrot the false idea that we evolved from other living creatures. Should we believe YOU or God?

Cab:>>By the way, you should also try to learn how to properly use the quote function in this forum. It is really easy and makes post much easier to read.

I don't agree and I hate italics, which happens when one uses the quote button. I try to attribute other's words correctly. It's not my fault that you prefer italics. Highlight the words and change them to italics if you like.

In Love,
Aman

 

[CabVet]

Dear Cab, Can you point out ANY scientific error I have made? Of course not. All you can do is parrot the false idea that we evolved from other living creatures. Should we believe YOU or God?

That is one scientific error right there. I am not asking you to believe me. Science does not require belief, all it requires is that you look at the evidence and accept it or not. This "false idea" that you refer to is supported by multiple independent lines of evidence. Your idea that God created us is supported by as much evidence as Allah creating us, or any other God or Gods from any of the thousands of religions in this planet. And that is something that requires belief.

I don't agree and I hate italics, which happens when one uses the quote button. I try to attribute other's words correctly. It's not my fault that you prefer italics. Highlight the words and change them to italics if you like.

See how much easier it is to follow a conversation like this? But suit yourself.

 

[HitchSlap]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Science tells us we evolved from other living creatures...

Hitch:>>Correct. This can be demonstrated with multiple independent lines of evidence.

Dear Hitch, Humans did NOT evolve from any other living creature. Humans were made on the 3rd Day, billions of years BEFORE every living creature was brought forth from the water. Genesis 1:21

The problem is that today's Science is ignorant that life began on another world which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ALL of the False Assumptions of the Theory of Evolution MUST be corrected IF we wish to teach our children the Truth of where Humans actually originated.

In Love,
Aman
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Again, I'd be happy to look at any evidence you might have for these claims.
And by evidence, I mean the kind that can be independently verified and corroborated, without the need for "faith."

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Loud, I have God's Holy Word for it, which is better than man's changable science.
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Loud:>>Obviously not, since all of the evidence points to humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps.

Dear Loud, FALSE. There is NO evidence showing HOW and WHEN mindless Nature produced human intelligence in Apes or Chimps. That is the Lie of Evolution. Evolution is NOT factual Science. It is a False Theory of some scientists. Let's see your data (from I.Q. tests) which show how and when we magically evolved our human intelligence. You cannot because there are NONE.

What you would have us believe is that today's Science can currently tell the difference between animal and Human intelligence. It CANNOT. Can YOU? Of course not, but you have swallowed the false notion that this happened hundreds of thousands of years ago and that we have actual evidence for this happening. We do NOT have evidence of this happening.

Loud:>>You claim that God's Word is true because it agrees with the discoveries of science, but now you are turning right around and claiming that science is wrong because it disagrees with your interpretation of the Bible. Can't have it both ways.

The Theory of Evolution is NOT Science. It's a False Theory caused by the FACT that Science is currently ignorant that Humans had our origin BILLIONS of years BEFORE our Solar System was made.

Aman:>>You have evidence of the evolution of the sons of God (Prehistoric man) whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day. YOU have NO evidence of the arrival of Humans on this Planet. This happened some 10k years ago and human civilization can be traced back to the arrival of the Ark, on our Earth. Here is evidence of their arrival:

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
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Loud:>>I have evidence of humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps about 5-7 million years ago.

You have evidence of the sons of God (prehistoric man) diverging from chimps at that time. The sons of God evolved from the water beginning 3.7 Billion years ago. Humans can trace our beginning to some 13+ Billion years ago. The sons of God were NOT Human. It's just one of the glaring mistakes of the TOE.

Aman:>>There were NO farmers on this Planet until Noah arrived. Noah was a direct descendant of the FIRST farmer, Adam. Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat, in Northern Mesopotamia some 10k years ago. His descendants walked out of the mountains into the valleys of Mesopotamia and human civilization began on this earth. History agrees since the first Human cities, on this Planet are the same as the one's built by Noah's great grandsons and listed in Genesis 10.

Loud:<>>Evidence for these claims please.

Sure. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Now, where's YOUR non-existent evidence?

Aman:>>Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric man) on this Planet. The offspring are the Humans (descendants of Adam) who are alive today, on Planet Earth. That is HOW the sons of God evolved or changed into humans. It happened when they married the descendants of Adam, who arrrived on our Planet in the Ark.
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Loud:>>Evidence please.

AFTER you give ME some of your evidence. No false assumptions, please.

Aman:>>In fact, today's Science cannot tell us the difference between human and animal intelligence TODAY....
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Calling ourselves animals is the same as calling ourselves Bacteria.
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Loud:>>No it isn't. Do you know how taxonomy works? It appears that you don't. Bacteria are in a separate kingdom with other prokaryotes. We are eukaryotes.

A false, changable, classification system of men. I'll wait until I can study the True Classification system of "kinds." Thank you.

Aman:>>We are Humans, descended from Adam, the first Human,
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Loud:>>Evidence please.

Sure. ONLY Humans and God have the ability to know both good and evil. That is WHY animals are not tried in a court of Law. Their OWNERS, humans, are. Don't you accept the American Justice System. You should, since it displays better sense than your flawed TOE mistake.

Aman:>>This, of course, destroys the ideas of Godless AND Theistic Evols who have taught our children that humans evolved from other living creatures. Adam was a Special Creation made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang. Humans did NOT evolve, but we are destined to rule Heaven, because we were made FIRST.

Loud:>>How do bare assertions with no evidence behind them destroy anything?

That is ALL the TOE is. It's a concept, a belief that we evolved from creatures which had their origin in water. While that is somewhat true, we changed from animal to Human intelligence some 10k years ago. Should we keep referring to ourselves as animals. Of course not. Animals are innocent before God but Humans MUST give an accounting for the deeds done in the body.

Aman:>>Either produce YOUR evidence HOW and WHEN we evolved from animal to human intelligence, or everyone will see that you don't know.
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Loud:>>We are animals.
Animals

Please learn some taxonomy.

Why don't you call yourself bacteria or fetus? We are NO longer bacteria or fetuses. We are Humans, descended from Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's.

Aman:>>That's all well and good but where are the I.Q. Tests from millions of years ago? That's the best way we can measure intelligence today. Right? Physical evolution does NOT prove when we inherited the higher Human intelligence of Adam. Does it?

Loud:><>Actually, we can measure the increase of brain size through time by looking at transitional hominid fossils:

If that were True, then Neandertal would be the smartest, but he wasn't, but he did have a LARGER Brain that ours. So do Elephants. Are Elephants human? No.

Loud:>>The Panda's Thumb: Fun with Hominin Cranial Capacity Datasets (and Excel)

Again, more evidence for humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps.

Humans did NOT diverge from Chimps. The sons of God (Prehistoric man) did. You and the False TOE are both ignorant of the Fact that the sons of God were NOT Humans.

Aman:>>Again, you are speaking of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and NOT humans.
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Loud:>>Then why do we share genetic markers with other apes that can only be explained by shared ancestry?

Some 10k years ago, Noah arrived on this Earth. Noah's grandsons, like Cain on the first Earth, had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the descendants of the sons of God on this Earth. That is WHY today's humans have the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve, a prehistoric woman who lived 150k years ago, AND the superior Human intelligence of Adam, who NEVER stepped foot on this Earth.

God set this Snare or Trap for Godless Evols with the Flood. He has trapped these unbelievers and exposed them for the "unsupported beliefs" they are teaching to our children in Public Schools. If you don't know, it's against the Constitution for anyone to teach their "unsupported religion" to this innocent children.

Aman:>>Scripture tells us that God brought forth from things which do not appear, things that do appear. This is what Albert Einstein learned. Matter and Energy are the same. Matter comes from Energy, etc. Was it just luck that ancient man knew this? Or is the Truth that God reaveals Himself by telling us things which ONLY God could have possibly known, at the time?
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Loud:>>Nowhere in the Bible does it say that energy is equivalent to mass times the speed of light squared. Again, you are making stuff up.

I'm sorry. God didn't write the Bible to please YOU. Did he? If He had, would that have made you believe Him? I doubt it.


Aman:>>Is that all you've got? Do you keep asking for evidence while ignoring the Fact that you offer NONE of your own?

Loud:>>Already offered over 30 pieces of evidence for evolution thus far. It appears that you are ignoring it once again.

Not for Humans, you haven't. When are you going to recognize that I have God's work for it an all you have is the flawed thinking of misguided men.

Loud:>>Please address the evidence.

It does little good to tell those who have Not been born Spiritually, since they are dead to the Spiritual. Have YOU been born again? If not, it will be hard for you to comprehend. Scripture tells us it will be foolishness to you. 1 - - Bible Gateway Corinthians+2:14&version=KJV

Aman:>>Believing that a concept (evolution) can produce human intelligence in Apes is ridiculous.
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Loud:>>Then show that it is false by referring to the evidence.

Why. You're not showing any. I have given you evidence but you don't believe God. Why should you believe me?

Aman:>>Magical Chemical abiogenesis does NOT explain a thing about HOW and WHEN we inherited the highest form of intelligence, like God's, from Adam. Abio is all about the physical.

Loud:>>Evolution does explain it, and you keep ignoring the evidence that demonstrates our evolution from a common ancestor with chimps.

Then run down the street claiming that you are an animal, an Ape, and see how long it is before they come to take you away. Act like a man and they will leave you alone.

Aman:>>Are you now claiming that the Bible is NOT True?
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Loud:>>I am claiming that we have mountains of evidence for the evolution of humans from a common ancestor of chimps. You are the one claiming that if this is true then the Bible is false, not I. You are the one pitting your Bible against science, not I.

I haven't seen anything but references from you to mortal men. I give you references from God, Himself, and you ignore them. No wonder you are so confused. Don't you know that men are wrong a lot of the time? 2 - - Bible Gateway Timothy+4:4&version=KJV

Aman:>>When you realize that God's Truth MUST agree with every other discovered Truth,
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Loud:>>Humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps is one of those discovered truths.

False. Humans were made billions of years before Chimps or even our Solar System. You dating is ridiculous.


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Gen. 1:21
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And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.
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Loud:>>I didn't ask for bible verses. I asked for evidence. Where is the evidence that life was created by a deity?

I'm sorry. Does it burn your eyes when I post God's Holy Word? I give you UnChanging evidence and you ask for the temporary, incomplete, untrue, Theoris of mere, mortal, men. What's wrong with you?

Aman:>>The Dinos came from the Bacteria in the water. Right?
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Loud:>>No, they came from reptiles on the land.

Silly. Reptiles came from Bacteria. Dinos were around Millions of years ago, but Bacteria has been around for Billions of years. Have you ever been to School?

Aman:>>Scripture says NOTHING about Dinos being on the first Earth.

Loud:>>Perhaps you should start looking at the facts.

I have. Dinosaurs were on our Earth. We have their bones. Don't you believe the factual discoveries of Science? I do.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Aman:>>Dear Cab, Can you point out ANY scientific error I have made? Of course not. All you can do is parrot the false idea that we evolved from other living creatures. Should we believe YOU or God?
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Cab:>>That is one scientific error right there. I am not asking you to believe me. Science does not require belief, all it requires is that you look at the evidence and accept it or not.

Dear Cab, There is NO evidence of long periods of time and multiple mutations producing human intelligence in Apes. It's untrue, and without support. It's a False Theory which God refutes. ie. Adam spoke and farmed with NO magical evolution. This is because he was made with a higher intelligence level than ANY other creature.

Cab:>>This "false idea" that you refer to is supported by multiple independent lines of evidence.

Circular thinking which is only supported by other believers in the Lie that evolution produced human intelligence in Apes. Where's the evidence? I.Q. Tests?

Cab:>>Your idea that God created us is supported by as much evidence as Allah creating us, or any other God or Gods from any of the thousands of religions in this planet. And that is something that requires belief.

Your idea that evolution produces human intelligence in Apes cannot be repeated. Correct? You would have us believe it happened just one time, but Genesis 6:4 shows that it happened TWICE. Your beliefs in the magical powers of the Concept of Evolution producing humans from animals is ridiculous, unsupported and UnTrue.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Loud, FALSE. There is NO evidence showing HOW and WHEN mindless Nature produced human intelligence in Apes or Chimps.

Yes, there is. I have already shown you that evidence.

First, we share over 200,000 ERV's with chimps at the same location in both of our genomes. This is undeniable evidence that we share a common ancestor with chimps.

Second, we have signals of selection within our genes demonstrating that natural selection was involved in determining which mutations were kept in our evolution. Those mutations are responsible for our increased intelligence over that of other animals. Those mutations were produced and kept by evolution.

Third, we have transitional hominids demonstrating an increase in brain size over time. This is undeniable evidence for increased intelligence in our lineage.

You have chosen to turn a blind eye to this evidence. Why is that?

That is the Lie of Evolution. Evolution is NOT factual Science.

Yes, it is.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

You have to deny discovered facts in order to cling to your religious beliefs. By your own definition, this shows your religious beliefs to be false.

What you would have us believe is that today's Science can currently tell the difference between animal and Human intelligence.

That is like telling the difference between a chihuahua and a dog. Humans are animals. Human intelligence is animal intelligence. You should really study up on your taxonomy. You will find that humans are in the animal kingdom.

It CANNOT. Can YOU? Of course not, but you have swallowed the false notion that this happened hundreds of thousands of years ago and that we have actual evidence for this happening. We do NOT have evidence of this happening.

I have listed the evidence, and you are ignoring it.

The Theory of Evolution is NOT Science.

I have already shown that it is. Once again, you have to deny scientific discoveries in order to cling to your religious beliefs.

You have evidence of the sons of God (prehistoric man) diverging from chimps at that time. The sons of God evolved from the water beginning 3.7 Billion years ago. Humans can trace our beginning to some 13+ Billion years ago. The sons of God were NOT Human. It's just one of the glaring mistakes of the TOE.

Any evidence for any of this?

What I have are genetic markers (i.e. endogenous retroviruses) shared by humans and chimps demonstrating that they share a common ancestor. I have transitional fossils that have a mixture of basal ape and modern human features. I have an increase in brain size over time indicating an increase in intelligence. I have genes that have accumulated mutations that were positively selected for during the evolution of our lineage.

I have all of the evidence pointing to the evolution of humans from a common ancestor with chimps.

Sure. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Now, where's YOUR non-existent evidence?

Where on this map does it have evidence for Noah?

AFTER you give ME some of your evidence. No false assumptions, please.

Already done multiple times.

A false, changable, classification system of men.

More denial. This isn't helping your argument.

Sure. ONLY Humans and God have the ability to know both good and evil.

Evidence please.

That is ALL the TOE is.

Already supplied ample evidence for evolution. You choose to ignore it.

Should we keep referring to ourselves as animals.

Do we respond to stimuli?

Do we ingest food?

Are we ambulatory?

If you answer yes to all three, then yes, we are an animal.

Animals are innocent before God but Humans MUST give an accounting for the deeds done in the body.

Evidence please.

Why don't you call yourself bacteria or fetus?

For the same reason you do not call yourself a plant or a larva. I guess we can list taxonomy and embryonic development to the list of biological concepts you fail to understand.

We are NO longer bacteria or fetuses. We are Humans, descended from Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's.

We are primates. We are mammals. We are vertebrates. We are animals.

Still don't understand how taxonomy works?

If that were True, then Neandertal would be the smartest, but he wasn't, but he did have a LARGER Brain that ours. So do Elephants. Are Elephants human? No.

The comparison is brain size to body weight. Also, we may have very well inherited genes from neanderthals that was important in the evolution of our intelligence, and we have no way of knowing if neanderthals were more intelligent than we were. They may very well have been more intelligent.

Humans did NOT diverge from Chimps.

I have already presented the evidence that they did.

First, the distribution of provirus-containing loci among taxa dates the insertion. Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14).
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

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We share over 200,000 such pro-viruses with chimps. This is undeniable evidence of shared ancestry. You are just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your beliefs.

Some 10k years ago, Noah arrived on this Earth. Noah's grandsons, like Cain on the first Earth, had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the descendants of the sons of God on this Earth. That is WHY today's humans have the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve, a prehistoric woman who lived 150k years ago, AND the superior Human intelligence of Adam, who NEVER stepped foot on this Earth.

How does this explain shared genetic markers between humans and apes as well as other primates?

God set this Snare or Trap for Godless Evols with the Flood. He has trapped these unbelievers and exposed them for the "unsupported beliefs" they are teaching to our children in Public Schools. If you don't know, it's against the Constitution for anyone to teach their "unsupported religion" to this innocent children.

I have shown the support for the evolution of humans from a common ancestor with chimps. You ignore it.

I'm sorry. God didn't write the Bible to please YOU. Did he? If He had, would that have made you believe Him? I doubt it.

You are the one making claims that are not supported by the facts.

Not for Humans, you haven't. When are you going to recognize that I have God's work for it an all you have is the flawed thinking of misguided men.

I will accept it when you present the evidence to support the claim.

It does little good to tell those who have Not been born Spiritually, since they are dead to the Spiritual. Have YOU been born again? If not, it will be hard for you to comprehend. Scripture tells us it will be foolishness to you. 1 - - Bible Gateway Corinthians+2:14&version=KJV

So you will not address the evidence? Is that correct?

Why must you ignore the evidence?

Why. You're not showing any [evidence]. I have given you evidence but you don't believe God. Why should you believe me?

Why do you continue with this lie? I have shown you the evidence in every post. You ignore it.

I haven't seen anything but references from you to mortal men. I give you references from God, Himself, and you ignore them.

No, you aren't. You are referencing the writings of mortal men.

Silly. Reptiles came from Bacteria.

Reptiles came from basal amphibians.

I have. Dinosaurs were on our Earth. We have their bones. Don't you believe the factual discoveries of Science? I do.

We have shared genetic markers that are undeniable evidence for our shared ancestry with chimps. Don't you believe the factual discoveries of science?

 

[Aman777]

Again, I'd be happy to look at any evidence you might have for these claims.
And by evidence, I mean the kind that can be independently verified and corroborated, without the need for "faith."

Dear Hitch, Sure. Tell us how ancient man knew:

That the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day.
That EVERY living creature came from the water.
That the formula for making other humans is to mix the sons of God with the descendants of Adam.
That Noah brought human intelligence to this Planet of Great Apes

Ancient men of 3,000 years ago could NOT have known these scientific Truths and wrote them in Genesis. It's empirical PROOF of God. He has revealed Himself with His Own Words.

Refute that Scripturally, since I don't accept the "faith based beliefs" of mere, mortal men who put the words of men above those of God. I call it circular thinking supported only by other unbelievers.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Cab, There is NO evidence of long periods of time and multiple mutations producing human intelligence in Apes.

That's strange since we have already supplied you with that evidence.

Your idea that evolution produces human intelligence in Apes cannot be repeated.

The evolution of humans left evidence that can be repeatedly tested. That makes it scientific. If we evolved from a common ancestor with chimps then we should be able to find shared genetic markers, and we do. We find 200,000 endogenous retroviruses in the human and chimp genomes that occur at the same position in each genome. Given the random nature of retroviral insertion, this can only be explaned by the inheritance of these markers from the same ancestor.

We have undeniable evidence that we share a common ancestor with chimps.

Next, the mutations. Would you agree that the difference in human and chimp intelligence is due to the differences in our genome? Yes or no.

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Hitch, Sure. Tell us how ancient man knew:

That the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the universe expanded from a singularity. You are making stuff up again.

That EVERY living creature came from the water.

Did you come from the water? I don't know about you, but I came from my mother. Perhaps you parents have not taught you about the birds and the bees?

Refute that Scripturally, since I don't accept the "faith based beliefs" of mere, mortal men who put the words of men above those of God.

Scriptures are the faith based writings of mortal men.

 

[HitchSlap]

Dear Hitch, Sure. Tell us how ancient man knew:

That the Big Bang was on the 3rd Day.
That EVERY living creature came from the water.
That the formula for making other humans is to mix the sons of God with the descendants of Adam.
That Noah brought human intelligence to this Planet of Great Apes

Ancient men of 3,000 years ago could NOT have known these scientific Truths and wrote them in Genesis. It's empirical PROOF of God. He has revealed Himself with His Own Words.

Refute that Scripturally, since I don't accept the "faith based beliefs" of mere, mortal men who put the words of men above those of God. I call it circular thinking supported only by other unbelievers.

In Love,
Aman

No one knows what was before the BB, not even ancient man.
"EVERY" living creature did not come from the water.
There is no "formula for making other humans."
Noah never existed and we have clear evidence for the evolution of brain size and intelligence.
There is nothing in the bible, whatsoever, that could not have been written by men with current knowledge of the time. Although, instructions on how to build an iPad would have been pretty impressive. As for the bible being the "word of god," all I've seen are word written by men, who claim they speak on his behalf. Big difference.

Your entire line of reasoning has been: I believe my interpretation of the bible is right because the bible says it's right. Tautology indeed.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Loud, FALSE. There is NO evidence showing HOW and WHEN mindless Nature produced human intelligence in Apes or Chimps.
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Loud:>>Yes, there is. I have already shown you that evidence.

First, we share over 200,000 ERV's with chimps at the same location in both of our genomes. This is undeniable evidence that we share a common ancestor with chimps.

Dear Loud, That is evidence of common ancestry of Chimps and the sons of God (prehistoric man.) We did NOT inherit our human intelligence from Apes and you have NO evidence which supports this.

Loud:>>Second, we have signals of selection within our genes demonstrating that natural selection was involved in determining which mutations were kept in our evolution. Those mutations are responsible for our increased intelligence over that of other animals. Those mutations were produced and kept by evolution.

Then tell us HOW and When this happened. Was it 200k years ago or 6 million years ago? Explain the mechanism which caused the change.

Loud:>>Third, we have transitional hominids demonstrating an increase in brain size over time. This is undeniable evidence for increased intelligence in our lineage.

Then WHY were Neandertal not smarter than us? They had larger brains. Right?

Loud:>>You have chosen to turn a blind eye to this evidence. Why is that?

Because you don't know the difference between Humans and animals. You keep confusing the sons of God with Humans.

Aman:>>That is the Lie of Evolution. Evolution is NOT factual Science.
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Loud:>>Yes, it is.

Then show us how a Theory is better than fact. Your precious TOE is wong.

Loud:>>29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

You have to deny discovered facts in order to cling to your religious beliefs. By your own definition, this shows your religious beliefs to be false.

YOUR religious beliefs give you the ridiculous idea that Apes magically changed into Humans. What a laugh.

Aman:>>What you would have us believe is that today's Science can currently tell the difference between animal and Human intelligence.
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Loud:>>That is like telling the difference between a chihuahua and a dog. Humans are animals. Human intelligence is animal intelligence. You should really study up on your taxonomy. You will find that humans are in the animal kingdom.

Do you believe EVERYthing a person who calls himself a scientist says? Of course you do. You FAITH is in man's knowlege, while you reject God's Holy Word.

Aman:>>It CANNOT. Can YOU? Of course not, but you have swallowed the false notion that this happened hundreds of thousands of years ago and that we have actual evidence for this happening. We do NOT have evidence of this happening.
I have listed the evidence, and you are ignoring it.

The Theory of Evolution is NOT Science.
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Loud:>>I have already shown that it is. Once again, you have to deny scientific discoveries in order to cling to your religious beliefs.

Not me. I agree with EVERY scientific discovery. It's the False Theory of Evolution which I disagree with. How many times must I tell you?


Aman:>>You have evidence of the sons of God (prehistoric man) diverging from chimps at that time. The sons of God evolved from the water beginning 3.7 Billion years ago. Humans can trace our beginning to some 13+ Billion years ago. The sons of God were NOT Human. It's just one of the glaring mistakes of the TOE.

Loud:>>Any evidence for any of this?

Sure, unlike the worshippers of man's knowledge, I have evidence. It's inside YOU.

Inside you is the DNA of Mt. Eve who lived more than 150k ago. Also inside you is the highest form of intelligence in Creation. It's the human intelligence of Adam. Can you tell us HOW both got inside you? When you can, you will know God's Truth.

Loud:>>What I have are genetic markers (i.e. endogenous retroviruses) shared by humans and chimps demonstrating that they share a common ancestor. I have transitional fossils that have a mixture of basal ape and modern human features. I have an increase in brain size over time indicating an increase in intelligence. I have genes that have accumulated mutations that were positively selected for during the evolution of our lineage.

Again, you are speaking of NON-human evolution which I have NO problem with. Just because I'm a creationist does not mean that I disagree that Chimplike creatures evolved into Cave dwelling creatures. My problem is that YOU keep falsely thinking that we are STILL animals. We evolved into Humans when Noah's grandsons married and produced people with the Human intelligence of Adam, who never stepped foot on this Planet of Great Apes.

We would STILL be living in Caves and chasing animals in order to eat IF Noah had not arrived here. In the 10k years since Noah arrived, we have gone from Caves to the Moon and back. That's less than 1% of the time since we diverged from Chimps, and poor, ignorant, mankind has FAILED to notice. Science must plead ignorance of the Fact because it destroys their False Theory of Evolution.

Loud:>>I have all of the evidence pointing to the evolution of humans from a common ancestor with chimps.

Then post it. Show us God's Truth which agrees with Scripture, Science, and History. If that is too high a standard for you, then ask me to show you and I will. I already have but you were unable to comprehend.

Aman:>>Sure. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Now, where's YOUR non-existent evidence?
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Loud:>>Where on this map does it have evidence for Noah?

The Big Lake at the center right is the largest Lake in Turkey. Noah probably arrived here since it's the biggest Lake in the mountains of Ararat. Where else would you put a 450 foot long Boat? Notice that it's in walking distance our to the mountains into Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization, on this Planet.

Notice that the area is between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, from which came this world's Human Civilization. Proof of this is that the OLDEST Human cities, on this Planet were built by Noah's great grandsons. This information is verified by HISTORY because Genesis 10 names these cities. Try to refute that one.

IF you don't believe me, then tell us of an OLDER Human city than those built by Noah's grandsons. You CANNOT. Go ahead and try. Since Noah brought the Human intelligence of Adam to this Planet, there were NO humans here when the Ark settled into Lake Van in the mountains of Ararat. That's God's Truth.

Continued............​

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>AFTER you give ME some of your evidence. No false assumptions, please.
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Loud:>>Already done multiple times.

Sure you have, in your own mind. All you have shown me is that you have done little more than parrot the False TOE, in which you have placed your faith, while ignoring God's Truth.

Aman:>>A false, changable, classification system of men.

Loud:>>More denial. This isn't helping your argument.

I thought you might try saying that the classification system was dreamed up by a Christian, and then completly changed by heathens. I'm denying that Carl Linnaeus is more correct than God's "kinds" system. Carl was just a man. What you are trying to tell us is that a man kinows more than God. How silly.

Aman:>>Sure. ONLY Humans and God have the ability to know both good and evil.
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Loud:>Evidence please.

The Justice System of the United States and most civilized countries recognize that anmals don't have the ability to understand right from wrong, so animals are not tried legally. Their owners are. When do you suppose Science will catch up with the Legal System and quit lying to our children?

Aman:>>That is ALL the TOE is.
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Loud:>>Already supplied ample evidence for evolution. You choose to ignore it.

I've seen NO evidence of human traits being demonstrated on this Planet until some 10,000 years ago. I am sorry that you have accepted man's Fable of evolution, instead of God's Truth. Would you like to tell us when whatever diverged from Chimps became fully human? Please don't tell us it was 200k ago, since you will have to explain why it took 190k years for these so called "humans" to grow themselves something to eat and built themselves a house, instead of living in a hole in the ground or a Cave.

Aman:>>Should we keep referring to ourselves as animals.

Loud:>>Do we respond to stimuli?
Do we ingest food?
Are we ambulatory?
If you answer yes to all three, then yes, we are an animal.

Aman:>>Animals are innocent before God but Humans MUST give an accounting for the deeds done in the body.

Loud:>>Evidence please.

Genesis 3:22 King James Version (KJV)
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, (the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) to know good and evil:

Aman:>>>Why don't you call yourself bacteria or fetus?

Loud:>>For the same reason you do not call yourself a plant or a larva. I guess we can list taxonomy and embryonic development to the list of biological concepts you fail to understand.

You might as well call yourself a fetus, for you were that after you were an Ape? I'm asking because you seem to be stuck on being an Ape? Since the Ape phase was NOT experienced by any Humans, WHY do you keep thinking you're an Ape?

Loud:>>We are NO longer bacteria or fetuses. We are Humans, descended from Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's.
We are primates. We are mammals. We are vertebrates. We are animals.

Still don't understand how taxonomy works?

Sure, but since we are now Humans, WHY do you keep thinking you came from Apes. The sons of God came from Apes, but Humans were made billions of years BEFORE Apes. Still don't understand time. Do you?

Aman:>>If that were True, then Neandertal would be the smartest, but he wasn't, but he did have a LARGER Brain that ours. So do Elephants. Are Elephants human? No.
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Loud:>>The comparison is brain size to body weight. Also, we may have very well inherited genes from neanderthals that was important in the evolution of our intelligence, and we have no way of knowing if neanderthals were more intelligent than we were. They may very well have been more intelligent.

No they were not. This will be proven when we go to other Planets and find the sons of God there. Where ever we find liquid water, we will find life, but NOT human life, since there was but ONE Ark. ONLY the descendants of Adam have his superior intelligence level.

NO creature, whose origin was in the water, has this high an intelligece level. ONLY God and the descendants of Adam have human intelligence.

Aman:>>Humans did NOT diverge from Chimps.
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Loud:>>I have already presented the evidence that they did.

First, the distribution of provirus-containing loci among taxa dates the insertion. Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (22, 23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (14).
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences

Gobbledegoop, spurred on my mistaken men who don't know that Humans did not originate on this Planet. They FALSELY suppose that this is the only Earth made. All of their thinking is contaminated by this "belief."

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Loud:>>We share over 200,000 such pro-viruses with chimps. This is undeniable evidence of shared ancestry. You are just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your beliefs.

From Chimps came the sons of God and when the sons of God married Noah's grandsons, we changed from animal intelligence to the higher intelligence level of Adam. NO evoolution involved. The sons of God adapted the Human intelligence level of Adam, but also inherited his Judgment.

Aman:>>Some 10k years ago, Noah arrived on this Earth. Noah's grandsons, like Cain on the first Earth, had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced offspring with the descendants of the sons of God on this Earth. That is WHY today's humans have the DNA of Mitochondrial Eve, a prehistoric woman who lived 150k years ago, AND the superior Human intelligence of Adam, who NEVER stepped foot on this Earth.
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Loud:>>How does this explain shared genetic markers between humans and apes as well as other primates?

The apes became the sons of God (prehistoric man) and the sons of God became Humans AFTER Noah arrived. ONLY the descendants of Adam are Humans and have human intelligence. We didn't Evolve it, We inherited it from other Humans. (Descendants of Adam)

Aman:>>God set this Snare or Trap for Godless Evols with the Flood. He has trapped these unbelievers and exposed them for the "unsupported beliefs" they are teaching to our children in Public Schools. If you don't know, it's against the Constitution for anyone to teach their "unsupported religion" to this innocent children.
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Loud:>>I have shown the support for the evolution of humans from a common ancestor with chimps. You ignore it.

Correction. You have shown support for the evolution or adaptation of the sons of God from a common ancestor with Chimps. You keep forgetting that Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE Chimps.

Aman:>>I'm sorry. God didn't write the Bible to please YOU. Did he? If He had, would that have made you believe Him? I doubt it.
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Loud:>>You are the one making claims that are not supported by the facts.

Come on now. You're looking at yourself in the Mirror again. Right?

Aman:>>Not for Humans, you haven't. When are you going to recognize that I have God's work for it an all you have is the flawed thinking of misguided men.

Loud:>>I will accept it when you present the evidence to support the claim.

No you won't. I have given you God's evidence and you have rejected it and His Holy Word. What will you say when you stand before Jesus?

Aman:>>It does little good to tell those who have Not been born Spiritually, since they are dead to the Spiritual. Have YOU been born again? If not, it will be hard for you to comprehend. Scripture tells us it will be foolishness to you. 1 - - Bible Gateway Corinthians+2:14&version=KJV
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Loud:>>So you will not address the evidence? Is that correct?

Why must you ignore the evidence?

Aman:>>Why. You're not showing any [evidence]. I have given you evidence but you don't believe God. Why should you believe me?
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Loud:>>Why do you continue with this lie? I have shown you the evidence in every post. You ignore it.

I've given you God's Word on it and you have rejected His Word outright. Is that because you THINK you know more than God?

Aman:>>I haven't seen anything but references from you to mortal men. I give you references from God, Himself, and you ignore them.
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Loud:>>No, you aren't. You are referencing the writings of mortal men.

Now, the problem comes to the top. You THINK ancient men wrote the Bible but can come up with NO answers when I ask you HOW ancient men of 3k years ago knew the things which today's Science is just now discovering? You have NO answers, only a constant cry for "evidence."

The problem is within you. You will NEVER understand the Spiritual until you are born Spiritually. 1 - - Bible Gateway Corinthians+2:14&version=KJV

Aman:>>Silly. Reptiles came from Bacteria.
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Loud:>>Reptiles came from basal amphibians.

Since bacteria is the oldest, we should call ourselves bacteria. Right?

Aman:>>I have. Dinosaurs were on our Earth. We have their bones. Don't you believe the factual discoveries of Science? I do.
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Loud:>>We have shared genetic markers that are undeniable evidence for our shared ancestry with chimps. Don't you believe the factual discoveries of science?

Sure I do, and I agree. We inherited the genetic markers from Mitochondrial Eve, a descendant of the sons of God (Prehistoric people) who lived 150,000 years ago. That means that we are NO longer Natural people, for we have inherited the Jackpot of the Universe. We are Humans and we are destined to rule EVERYthing, Eternally, thanks to Jesus.

Your Godless unbelief leads to death and rot and loss. It must be terribly hard to sell to people who are alive forevermore in Christ.

In Love,
Aman

 

[HitchSlap]

Your Godless unbelief leads to death and rot and loss. It must be terribly hard to sell to people who are alive forevermore in Christ.

You probably meant to say your unbelief in god, or your godless beliefs, but I digress.

See, that's the thing about reason, logic and reality, it kind of sells itself.