Originally Posted by
Aman777
Dear Loud, That's what I've been asking for online for more than a decade.
Loud:>>So you have absolutely no evidence that would prevent humans evolving from a common ancestor with chimps? If so, then why did you make that claim?
Dear Loud, I have God's Holy Word for it, which is better than man's changable science. Right? God tells us that man was made the 3rd Day, which is billions of years before life came forth from the water. In fact, it was before the Stars put forth their Light on the 4th Day.
Aman:>>All knowing Evols have NO evidence that we evolved our Human intelligence from mindless Nature.
Loud:>>Here are 29+ evidences for macroevolution,
including humans evolving from a common ancestor with apes:
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
We have the evidence, and mountains of it.
You have evidence of the evolution of the sons of God (Prehistoric man) whose origin was in the water on the 5th Day. YOU have NO evidence of the arrival of Humans on this Planet. This happened some 10k years ago and human civilization can be traced back to the arrival of the Ark, on our Earth. Here is evidence of their arrival:
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
There were NO farmers on this Planet until Noah arrived. Noah was a direct descendant of the FIRST farmer, Adam. Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat, in Northern Mesopotamia some 10k years ago. His descendants walked out of the mountains into the valleys of Mesopotamia and human civilization began on this earth. History agrees since the first Human cities, on this Planet are the same as the one's built by Noah's great grandsons and listed in Genesis 10.
Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the descendants of the sons of God (prehistoric man) on this Planet. The offspring are the Humans (descendants of Adam) who are alive today, on Planet Earth. That is HOW the sons of God evolved or changed into humans. It happened when they married the descendants of Adam, who arrrived on our Planet in the Ark.
Aman:>>In fact, today's Science cannot tell us the difference between human and animal intelligence TODAY....
Loud:>>Humans are animals. What did you think we were? Fungi?
Calling ourselves animals is the same as calling ourselves Bacteria. We are Humans, descended from Adam, the first Human, who was made with an intelligence level like God's. Genesis 3:22 We are destined to have dominion over ALL other living cretures. That is WHY we were made FIRST, long before any other living creature.
This, of course, destroys the ideas of Godless AND Theistic Evols who have taught our children that humans evolved from other living creatures. Adam was a Special Creation made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang. Humans did NOT evolve, but we are destined to rule Heaven, because we were made FIRST.
Aman:>>and yet YOU want us to believe that YOU can tell when we changed from animal to human intelligence thousands of years ago.
Loud:>>No, I want you to look at and address the evidence.
Aman:>>Either produce YOUR evidence HOW and WHEN we evolved from animal to human intelligence, or everyone will see that you don't know.
Loud:>>The how is through evolution, as shown by the DNA differences between humans and chimps, and how those differences fall into a nested hierarchy with other apes just as the theory of evolution predicts they should. We have signals of selection within genes as shown by Ka/Ks ratios. All of the genetic evidence testifies to the involvement in the changes that led to us from our common ancestor with other apes.
That's all well and good but where are the I.Q. Tests from millions of years ago? That's the best way we can measure intelligence today. Right? Physical evolution does NOT prove when we inherited the higher Human intelligence of Adam. Does it?
Loud:>>We could start with ERV's if you like:
First, the distribution of provirus-containing loci among taxa dates the insertion. Given the size of vertebrate genomes (>1 × 10^9 bp) and the random nature of retroviral integration (
22,
23), multiple integrations (and subsequent fixation) of ERV loci at precisely the same location are highly unlikely (
24). Therefore, an ERV locus shared by two or more species is descended from a single integration event and is proof that the species share a common ancestor into whose germ line the original integration took place (
14).
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences
Again, you are speaking of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and NOT humans. Humans are the descendants of Adam. We did NOT come from the water on the 5th Day.
Aman:>>Based on the Fact that NO man, who lived 3k years ago, could have possibly known, and correctly written the Scientific Truth, in Genesis,
Loud:>>There is no scientific truth in Genesis. You are merely projecting modern science onto Genesis.
Not so. Can you tell us how ancient men KNEW that we live in a Multiverse? After all, Scripture records that God made at least 3 heavens of Unvierses by the 3rd Day. Are you sure that you have read Genesis? The first chapter is the entire History of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven, the Multiverse. You don't seem to know anything about it?
Aman:>>For centuries mankind has believed that man authored Scripture, but that is UnTrue. God is the Author of Scripture.
Loud:>>Still waiting for evidence for this claim.
Scripture tells us that God brought forth from things which do not appear, things that do appear. This is what Albert Einstein learned. Matter and Energy are the same. Matter comes from Energy, etc. Was it just luck that ancient man knew this? Or is the Truth that God reaveals Himself by telling us things which ONLY God could have possibly known, at the time?
Another is that we live in a Multiverse, which Today's Science is currently trying to confirm, since Physics equations has already confirmed that it is possible.
Aman:>>It's hard to understand the thinking of the Supreme Intelligence
Loud:>>What Supreme Intelligence? Evidence please.
I give you evidence and you say more. When are you going to address the FACT that your precious TOE has NO evidence to support it's False teachings? All you can offer are the words of other men and NOT God.
Aman:>>Tradition cannot stand when measured against the Agreement of Scripture, Science, and History. God's Truth is the Truth in EVERY way.
Loud:>>Evidence for all of these claims please.
Is that all you've got? Do you keep asking for evidence while ignoring the Fact that you offer NONE of your own? Believing that a concept (evolution) can produce human intelligence in Apes is ridiculous. If you haven't noticed, God tells us Adam was made with NO magical evolution.
Aman:>>Then please explain WHY the debate continues today. Some teach that life came on an Asteroid or Comet. I know of NO one who sticks their head out and claims that every living creature had it's origin in water, except God.
Loud:>>Seriously? All of the abiogenesis hypotheses I have read state that the earliest reactions took place in water.
Magical Chemical abiogenesis does NOT explain a thing about HOW and WHEN we inherited the highest form of intelligence, like God's, from Adam. Abio is all about the physical.
Loud:>>And again, the Bible is not God. The Bible is a book, not a deity.
Are you now claiming that the Bible is NOT True? I don't believe you. I think it is YOUR view which is seriously wrong. When you realize that God's Truth MUST agree with every other discovered Truth, or it is NOT God's Truth, you will take your first step toward being able to understand it.
Loud:>>Science knows we must have water to live, but are afraid to say that life was created and brought forth from the water, as God tells us. Genesis 1:21
Please show that life was created. Evidence please.
Gen. 1:21 And God created great whales, and
every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.
Loud:>>Winged fowl came from dinosaurs, not the waters.
The Dinos came from the Bacteria in the water. Right? Scripture says NOTHING about Dinos being on the first Earth. It's the history of our Planet which shows evidence of Dinos going extinct 65 million years ago.
BTW, Fowl came forth from the water....AND....the dust of the ground. Genesis 1:21 and Genesis 2:19. Can you tell us WHY?
Aman:>>Both God and Science agree that every living creature that moveth on this Planet, had it's initial origin in water. The sons of God (prehistoric man) moved. He was NOT human because he did NOT descend from Adam, the first Human, but his origin was in the water, some 3.7 Billion years ago, as bacteria.
Loud:>>Science says that we evolved from a common ancestor with other apes. Are you saying that the Bible disagrees?
Of course. Our bodies evolved from bacteria, from 3.7 billion years ago, but our Human intelligence came in an Ark. The common ancestor for ALL Humans is Adam. I don't call myself a Fetus, nor an Ape, because I have evolved into a Human, thanks to Noah.
Aman:>>Correction: That YOU know of. YOU also don't know what Day it is according to Scripture. Do you? Hint: it's the 6th Day or Age in the Creation of the 3rd Heaven. Tomorrow is Eternity, for the 7th Day has NO evening, and no end.
Loud:>>Apparently, you can't point it out either.
Sure I can. We live today at Genesis 1:27 for God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image. We will NOT advance to Genesis 1:28 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet at the end of time. Isaiah 11 Today is the 6th Day or Age in the creation of the 3rd Heaven. That's God's Truth.
God's Truth agrees in every way with every discovery of Science and History. Your truth is only a partial truth. God's Truth is the ONE Truth.
In Love,
Aman