Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[bugkiller]

Don't you bring up the reading problem more than anyone on here??

Hos 2:9 Therefore I will take back my grain in its time, and my wine in its season, and I will take away my wool and my flax, which were to cover her nakedness.
Hos 2:10 Now I will uncover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and no one shall rescue her out of my hand.
Hos 2:11 And I will put an end to all her mirth, her feasts, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her appointed feasts.
Hos 2:12 And I will lay waste her vines and her fig trees, of which she said, 'These are my wages, which my lovers have given me.' I will make them a forest, and the beasts of the field shall devour them.
Hos 2:13 And I will punish her for the feast days of the Baals when she burned offerings to them and adorned herself with her ring and jewelry, and went after her lovers and forgot me, declares the LORD.

my and her are both in this text. Pick who is my and who is her

A 2 year old can pick out the difference between what is God's and what is the whoring "her" in this passage...

I see. Do you have some other passage of Scripture showing her sabbaths. Which sabbath would be mentioned. The phrase sabbath day covers only one day in the Scripture. BTW what other sabbaths are mentioned in Scripture in relation to something other than what God gave Israel? The above passage is clearly talking about the religious days of Israel given by God.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Are you purposefully leaving stuff out of that statement?

Are you comparing someone who gave a profession of faith with someone who is "keeping the Law" without being born again?

You said that keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with salvation...
my question to you was...do you stop keeping the rest of the 10 commandments because they don't have to do with your salvation?

Now why would he be talking about non Christians here in GT? Is it because you consider him a non Christian? After all he does not keep the 7th day sabbath to my knowledge.

bugkiller

 

[Sophrosyne]

Yeah the law and all the rules about the law can not contain sin. To propose so is to be dreaming of uptopia. My SDA neighbor just went hardcore vegan on me. He already is a practcing vegan and now says, rather claims he is going to get all herbicides and pesticides out of his food chain. No more grocery store. The dude asked me how to start a brush fire. He even asked if I use gasoline. This is after 14 years in the country. Be it will not happen. He is just a city boy living in the sticks still trying to live like in the city. His garden will not produce enough food for one in a year. He does have enough open grass to plant soy beans though.

bugkiller

Lack of reality this vegan stuff IMO... we were designed to need both meat and vegetables to go without meat makes for a hard diet it can be done but God didn't make dietary rules that deleted meats totally from diet. I think that the levitical priests even ate some of the meat from sacrificies I'm not 100% sure though.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Now why would he be talking about non Christians here in GT? Is it because you consider him a non Christian? After all he does not keep the 7th day sabbath to my knowledge.

bugkiller

I don't keep the Sabbath.... I'm not Jewish

 

[tall73]

Then one needs a restoration of the sabbath. Is there one? So far no SDA has posted one that I have read.

bugkiller

Well given the cessation was during the exile, and the time of Jesus was after that and they were keeping it again, I would say that would be a restoration.

My point is not that we should keep Sabbath. I am just saying I don't think Hosea 2 is the best text to use.

 

[Leuko Petra]

Lack of reality this vegan stuff IMO... we were designed to need both meat and vegetables to go without meat makes for a hard diet it can be done but God didn't make dietary rules that deleted meats totally from diet. I think that the levitical priests even ate some of the meat from sacrificies I'm not 100% sure though.

That is a misunderstanding of the dietary system of all life on earth, including humans, scientifically.

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Let us begin with Genesis, where it is written that Adam was "designed" to eat:

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Genesis 1:29

And to the beasts, fowl, etc:

And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so. Genesis 1:30

No death, no meat [animal flesh] from the beginning. Even during the Exodus, God fed them with manna and water... yet they complained... and what was the result?

Yes, 'clean' flesh only allowed, and was introduced into the diet directly after the flood for a specific reason, and allowed in certain instances in the sacrificial offerings, as a type, also again 'clean' only. However, the reality of that type came, no need for that any more. And since the plant life is no longer at extinction levels, God is leading His people back to Eden...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't keep the Sabbath.... I'm not Jewish

So only those who are Jewish have to keep the Sabbath?

 

[Leuko Petra]

I see. Do you have some other passag of Scripture showing her sabbaths. Which sabbath would be mentioned. The phrase sabbath day covers only one day in the Scripture. BTW what other sabbaths are mentioned in Scripture in relation to something other than what God gave Israel? The above passage is clearly talking about the religious days of Israel given by God.

bugkiller

Incorrect, there are multiple. Leviticus 23 reveals several sabbaths, each different from the others. For instance, the Sabbath of the Lord is the 7th day, everytime - Leviticus 23:3, and this had nothing to do with "seasons" which the others did. It is part of the Eternal Moral Law of God.

In Leviticus 23:7, we see a "seasons" sabbath, based upon the calendrical new moon phase, and there was a different stipulation which was different from the "no work" of the 4th Commandment [Exodus 20:8-11], and instead there was to be done "no servile work". We can see that the 7th Day Sabbath superceded this, in the Gospels, when the two sabbaths combined that year of Jesus death, see Luke 23:56, in which they rested according to the Commandment [meaning the 4th, the Moral, it had higher priority over any other added sabbaths].

Other sabbaths involved special instruments, like the blowing of trumpets, and others like affliction of soul, whereas others were feastal with gladness.

Levitcus 23:38, reveals other sabbaths, BESIDES the Sabbath of the LORD thy God [4th Commandment].

Other Sabbaths [Leviticus 25] also involved not merely seasons, nor were they of the week, but rather whole periods of years, like the 7th and 50th years. All of these were added sabbaths, which came after the awesome grandure of God speaking the Moral Law [Ten Commandments] from Mt Sinai, to which nothing more was added, and is separate from the others.

The Moral Sabbath [the 7th Day, of the 4th Commandment] points out sin, and to the past as a Memorial. The Charatcer of God.

The other were typological sabbaths pointing to the future, pointing to the Saviour/reality.

This particular text fits much of Christianity today:

Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed [difference] between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. Ezekiel 22:26

 

[bugkiller]

Lack of reality this vegan stuff IMO... we were designed to need both meat and vegetables to go without meat makes for a hard diet it can be done but God didn't make dietary rules that deleted meats totally from diet. I think that the levitical priests even ate some of the meat from sacrificies I'm not 100% sure though.

I am. They ate at least part of the sacrifice.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Well given the cessation was during the exile, and the time of Jesus was after that and they were keeping it again, I would say that would be a restoration.

My point is not that we should keep Sabbath. I am just saying I don't think Hosea 2 is the best text to use.

OK I use it mainly because cease is the same word translated rest in Gen 2.

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Sophrosyne

Lack of reality this vegan stuff IMO... we were designed to need both meat and vegetables to go without meat makes for a hard diet it can be done but God didn't make dietary rules that deleted meats totally from diet. I think that the levitical priests even ate some of the meat from sacrificies I'm not 100% sure though.
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I am. They ate at least part of the sacrifice.

bugkiller

Except the fat...and I love fat!!

Gen 45:18
Bring your father and your households and come to me; I will give you the best of the land of Egypt,
and you will eat the fat of the land.
Lev 7:25
For whoever eats the fat of the animal of which men offer an offering made by fire to YAHWEH, the person who eats [it] shall be cut off from his people.

 

[Leuko Petra]

...Faith is all...

Have to define that "faith". Perhaps you might consider viewing this:

Walter Veith Questions And Answers (Rekindling Reformation) - YouTube

 

[bugkiller]

Incorrect, there are multiple. Leviticus 23 reveals several sabbaths, each different from the others. For instance, the Sabbath of the Lord is the 7th day, everytime - Leviticus 23:3, and this had nothing to do with "seasons" which the others did. It is part of the Eternal Moral Law of God.

In Leviticus 23:7, we see a "seasons" sabbath, based upon the calendrical new moon phase, and there was a different stipulation which was different from the "no work" of the 4th Commandment [Exodus 20:8-11], and instead there was to be done "no servile work". We can see that the 7th Day Sabbath superceded this, in the Gospels, when the two sabbaths combined that year of Jesus death, see Luke 23:56, in which they rested according to the Commandment [meaning the 4th, the Moral, it had higher priority over any other added sabbaths].

Other sabbaths involved special instruments, like the blowing of trumpets, and others like affliction of soul, whereas others were feastal with gladness.

Levitcus 23:38, reveals other sabbaths, BESIDES the Sabbath of the LORD thy God [4th Commandment].

Other Sabbaths [Leviticus 25] also involved not merely seasons, nor were they of the week, but rather whole periods of years, like the 7th and 50th years. All of these were added sabbaths, which came after the awesome grandure of God speaking the Moral Law [Ten Commandments] from Mt Sinai, to which nothing more was added, and is separate from the others.

The Moral Sabbath [the 7th Day, of the 4th Commandment] points out sin, and to the past as a Memorial. The Charatcer of God.

The other were typological sabbaths pointing to the future, pointing to the Saviour/reality.

This particular text fits much of Christianity today:

Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed [difference] between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. Ezekiel 22:26

Who does this servile work stuff pertain to? Is i indeed the same work refered to in Ex 20:8-11 that can not be done? Who and what does that include?

The first day of Passover is always the 14th of the month a regular 7th day sabbath on the Jewish calendar. As a side issue I ask is this the sabbath you observe? I wager it is not. Do you observe Passover? It is required by the law. No one that I know of is authorized to throw out part of the law. Jesus is my Passover and Passover Lamb. This is not according to the law.

I also think without checking all the other feasts also begin on a 7th day sabbath. It does not appear to make a difference about the no servile work because that is also mention ed in connection with the other feasts.

BTW the no servile work also applies to the other feasts or at least part of them. The no servile work appears more than once in Lev 23 and not a reference to the weekly sabbath unless the feast starts on that day. I am not going to say the no servile work applies to the whole feast at least for the moment.

It is interesting that something in the law supercedes or over rules the sabbath which is considedred servile work.

I really need you to support this with Scripture and not commentary - The Moral Sabbath [the 7th Day, of the 4th Commandment] points out sin, and to the past as a Memorial. The Charatcer of God.

No on the Ez 22:26 because the Christian is not obligated to the law per Rom 7:6. The Romans passage does not say part or result of violation of the law.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Except the fat...and I love fat!!

Me too! that is where the calories and flavore oare found.

bugkiller

 

[Sophrosyne]

That is a misunderstanding of the dietary system of all life on earth, including humans, scientifically.

I'm sorry but this doesn't explain why people ate meat and were told they CAN eat all sorts of meats. I believe even some Jewish holidays had meat eating involved in them. We are omnivores not herbivores.

 

[Sophrosyne]

So only those who are Jewish have to keep the Sabbath?

No.... only the Jewish people were given the sabbath everyone else keeping it is for nought because they are not Jews and the blessings of the Old Covenant don't apply to non Jews. Being a Christian doesn't make you a Jew.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Have to define that "faith". Perhaps you might consider viewing this:

Walter Veith Questions And Answers (Rekindling Reformation) - YouTube

View almost two hours of SDA teaching?

Not very tempting.

If you can't explain what you mean by 'faith' in one post in your own words then I reckon you have already lost the debate.

 

[Sophrosyne]

I am. They ate at least part of the sacrifice.

bugkiller

So those who are trying to keep the Law are not keeping it by abstaining from ALL meats eh?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Have to define that "faith". Perhaps you might consider viewing this:

Walter Veith Questions And Answers (Rekindling Reformation) - YouTube

I don't have flash installed..... youtubes to me don't exist I never see them.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Being a vegetarian is okay.

Being a vegetarian because you reckon God will smite you for eating meat is not okay.

It is religion gone power hungry.