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Free Masons

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Searching_for_Christ, May 15, 2013.

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  1. ProudMason

    ProudMason New Member

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    Ive been reading some of these forums about Freemasons, and Our fraternity being an occult,ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOT TRUE!!!, if you know better however you would know in all actuality Christianity under any branch is a offspring of freemasonry.
     
  2. Rhamiel

    Rhamiel Member of the Round Table

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    see this is what gets me about freemasonry

    we get told time and time again not to get caught up in conspiracy theories

    then we get some Masons who pretend like their group is thousands of years old...
    this is kind of like wanting to have your cake and eat it too

    anyways, I am a Roman Catholic
    my Church was founded by Jesus Christ, true God and true Man
    and through the ages it has been faithful to His teachings through an unbroken line of Bishops

    the Church is called to preach to all the nations
    to make converts for Christ from the 4 corners of the globe
    we are not the offspring of a secret society
    because secrets are anathema to us
    we are called to preach the good news to everyone
    not hide away our knowledge in a Lodge
    The Church is egalitarian in that all people, all ages, all races, can join the Church
    the Lodge is elitist in that only a select few can learn the secrets
     
  3. Simpleman25

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    We have some common ground here. For any mason to claim that we predate Jesus, it's blasphemous.

    The lodge is anything but elitist. The problem is we don't openly recruit. All any man has to do is ask one of us.

    You can't call masons elitist as you have stated, we accept men of all faiths.

    Some call my home lodge elitist for only accepting Christians. That may be true. My allegiance is also to the Holy Trinity.
     
  4. BlackBearFamily

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    No worries, you did not offend me. What I was trying to say was, in effect, "This is not a story I got from someone somewhere, but rather an explanation I got straight from my father, and in some detail." Sometimes, people pop off with Urban Legends, and I wanted to emphasize that this was not the case.

    My understanding is that the 'scary' part of the oath is regarding what would be done to the Mason - and his family, including his children - if he were to ever reveal any of the Masonic secrets to a non-Mason. Isn't there such a clause in an oath? (Or maybe you are not allowed to say?)
     
  5. Simpleman25

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    That's why I question what your father was talking about. The penalties are to the mason himself, not any family member.

    Some evangelical folks like to imply that there is a curse to the masons family. That's why I brought up the conspiracy comment.
     
  6. BlackBearFamily

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    I am not a Mason and so can only quote my 32nd degree Grandfather and my Blue Lodge Mason father.
     
  7. Searching_for_Christ

    Searching_for_Christ simul justus et peccator

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    You readily admit that joining the masons means to bring curses upon yourself if you leave?
     
  8. Simpleman25

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    All you have to do is Google Masonic oaths and read for yourself.
     
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    That's not what I said. I said the oaths speak only of penalty to the individual mason, not to their family. I also said that the penalties were symbolic and are not carried out to those thatl leave the fraternity.

    There are many that have left yet no penalty was used on them.
     
  10. BlackBearFamily

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    Given that all of this is supposed to be a secret, I tend to wonder whether anything I've 'googled' is correct.
     
  11. BlackBearFamily

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    I'm not asking about the penalty for leaving the Masonic order, I'm referring to the supposed violent penalties for telling Masonic secrets to a non-Mason.

    Aren't there violent penalties for revealing the secrets? These were the issues that my father told me about.
     
  12. Simpleman25

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    Most of what you can Google now is correct. As I've been saying, men have left and exposed the secret oaths. Yet nothing had been done to them for breaking the oath.

    Yes the penalties are violent. But they are not carried out. That's the issue I'm trying to inform you about. That's why they are symbolic. We refer to ourselves as speculative masons. Whereas the original masons were operative masons. In their time it was an issue to share the secrets of the trade.

    That's part of the reason why we can prove that speculative masons only go back to the late 1600's to early 1700's. Operative masons predate Christ, not speculative masons.
     
  13. MikeK

    MikeK Traditionalist Catholic

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    I have no use for Freemasonry. I would mention though, that there exist many people in the world who would ask you the same question about Christianity.
     
  14. BlackBearFamily

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    Oh, I see. OK. Thank you for explaining.
     
  15. Lepanto

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    What you said is not true. What you know of Freemasonry (the three degrees) is only the front facade of Freemasonry.

    What the people said in this thread are only part of the reasons that the Church condemned Freemasonry, it's more than that. But I am not going to say anymore. Listen to what Saint Pius X said ...
     
  16. Simpleman25

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    I'm as high up as you can get in masonry. You can't say anymore because there's nothing to say. Other than trumped up conspiracy theories that have no facts whatsoever.
     
  17. GutenbergPrintPress1454

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    "The great strength of our order lies in its concealment. Never let it appear in any place in its own name..."

    - Adam Weishaupt
     
  18. Rhamiel

    Rhamiel Member of the Round Table

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    very good point

    here is another point
    many diverse churches and denominations have spoken out against Freemasonry
    as the old saying goes, where there is smoke, their is fire
    if a normal explenation can not be given as to why so many christian groups fear freemasonry then we should accept that there is something suspect about the group
     
  19. Rhamiel

    Rhamiel Member of the Round Table

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    it sounds like you are a very good Freemason :)
     
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  20. Fenwick

    Fenwick LET'S GO IRISH

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    Actually no, the rules of Christian Forums explicitly state that you cannot debate in the congregational forums (I.e. "One Bread, One Body" the Catholic section of the forum) unless you belong to the group for which the sub-forum in question is designated, in this case Roman Catholics, which you aren't.

    http://www.christianforums.com/rules/#faq_rule_0
     
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