Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[TruthWarrior]

Conscience only? And how obedient does the faith need to be?

A faith that believes in keeping God's commandments.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Conscience only? And how obedient does the faith need to be?

A faith that believes in keeping God's commandments.

I was hoping for an answer to the question "How obedient does the faith the saves need to be in order to be saved?"

 

[Frogster]

How can this even be needed ?
Those that worship the tablets constantly use the idea that "god does not change" as their "proof" that all must do their pet commands . Yet , you have to remind them to observe all of them . Where do they draw the line of where He does not change and where He does ?

true..good point! noy only that, the cov chnaged, just because jesus did not, does not mean the cov has not..

 

[Frogster]

This but not that - that but not this . Are those that look to stones for guidance thinking that the Law is a buffet where they can pick and choose ? But , they alone may do so , right ? We must observe all - they can observe some but not all and change things here and there for the ones that they do claim to observe .

yup..buffet, and i can't get a straight answer..ok, fine, they want the 10..whatever...they are "eternal", they think, ok whatever... yet the reach out of the 10 for food stuff, as you say, pick-n-choose, all while they choose not to reach out and keep the festivals!

 

[Frogster]

A faith that believes in keeping God's commandments.

the festivals were commands.

 

[TruthWarrior]

I was hoping for an answer to the question "How obedient does the faith the saves need to be in order to be saved?"

Ask God. He knows all things.

 

[TruthWarrior]

the festivals were commands.

The commandments of the moral law; not the law that said stone witches or homosexuals. The Mosaic law has passed away, but not the moral law. I know you will play games and muddle up scriptures to create confusion, so I ask you, are Christians free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ask God. He knows all things.

God tells me that the law cannot make me righteous.

 

[TruthWarrior]

God tells me that the law cannot make me righteous.

Nor does God tell you you are free to break it.

 

[Frogster]

The commandments of the moral law; not the law that said stone witches or homosexuals. The Mosaic law has passed away, but not the moral law. I know you will play games and muddle up scriptures to create confusion, so I ask you, are Christians free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no?

do u think that people here on the thread, don't see my point, that you won't answer?

you talk of the 10, as you select food laws, all while you somehow choose to reject the festival commands.

please advise.

 

[TruthWarrior]

do u think that people here on the thread, don't see my point, that you won't answer?

you talk of the 10, as you select food laws, all while you somehow choose to reject the festival commands.

please advise.

It's a simple question: are Christians free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no? My answer would be no. But for some reason you refuse to give an answer.

 

[wpen]

It's a simple question: are Christians free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no? My answer would be no. But for some reason you refuse to give an answer.

Jewish folk follow the 10 commandments. Christians are to follow the covenant of Jesus. What laws did he establish?

 

[TruthWarrior]

Jewish folk follow the 10 commandments. Christians are to follow the covenant of Jesus. What laws did he establish?

So are Christians free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no? It's such a simple question yet people refuse to answer

 

[MoreCoffee]

Nor does God tell you you are free to break it.

I am free to ignore the sacrifices of the old covenant and the dietary rules and the civil laws aren't I?

 

[TruthWarrior]

I am free to ignore the sacrifices of the old covenant and the dietary rules and the civil laws aren't I?

Are you free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Are you free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no?

I believe that the ten commandments teach moral principles that every Christian ought to obey.

1. No fake gods, even if they have fancy idols, they just do not make the grade.
2. No treating my (God's) name like dirt, I get all mean when folk do that.
3. No working on Saturdays if you are an Israelite, I want you Israelite folk to rest on Saturdays and you gotta let your slaves and servants rest too!
4. Be good for your Mum and Dad, they did good for you so you gotta do good for them.
5. No killing people.
6. No sex outside of marriage.
7. No theft.
8. No accusing folk of things they didn't do.
9. No envying other people's wives (or husbands).
10. No envying other people's property and servants and stuff like that.

Of course the principle in the third commandment, which seems to be the commandment that this thread is about, is that employer and employee ought to rest one day in seven. The fight seems to be about Saturday. The vast majority of Christians rest on both Saturday and Sunday, but some rest on Sunday exclusively while others rest on Saturday exclusively. The former follow apostolic example the latter follow the command as it is written in Exodus 20.

 

[shturt678]

Are you free to break the 10 commandments, yes or no?

The 10 reveals the cesspool of the human heart perfectly, foremost including mine, and sadly I break too many of them even before noon, i.e., viewing more from the light on these 10 shed in the N.T. My point, we all break the 10 due to our sinful proclivity and propensity; however the 10 with the rest of the O.T. in the sense of Rom.3:19, 20, not much doubt that I have enough of God's understanding allowing the Holy Spirit revoking all licenses to sin....coupled with Rom.3:18....to flee from the power of sin to God's grace in the two Greatest Commandments, e.g., Deut.6:4, 5; Matt.22:37, etc. Sorry wanted to be more brief and sinfully got carried away.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The 10 reveals the cesspool of the human heart perfectly, foremost including mine, and sadly I break too many of them even before noon, i.e., viewing more from the light on these 10 shed in the N.T. My point, we all break the 10 due to our sinful proclivity and propensity; however the 10 with the rest of the O.T. in the sense of Rom.3:19, 20, not much doubt that I have enough of God's understanding allowing the Holy Spirit revoking all licenses to sin....coupled with Rom.3:18....to flee from the power of sin to God's grace in the two Greatest Commandments, e.g., Deut.6:4, 5; Matt.22:37, etc. Sorry wanted to be more brief and sinfully got carried away.

Chuckle chuckle. You make a good point but I wonder if the real purpose of this thread is to urge everybody to keep Saturday as sabbath and to insist that anybody who does not is a law breaker and so under judgement.

 

[MamaZ]

Have you ever broken the 10 commandments? Have you kept the 10 commandments perfectly?

 

[TruthWarrior]

I believe that the ten commandments teach moral principles that every Christian ought to obey.

1. No fake gods, even if they have fancy idols, they just do not make the grade.
2. No treating my (God's) name like dirt, I get all mean when folk do that.
3. No working on Saturdays if you are an Israelite, I want you Israelite folk to rest on Saturdays and you gotta let your slaves and servants rest too!
4. Be good for your Mum and Dad, they did good for you so you gotta do good for them.
5. No killing people.
6. No sex outside of marriage.
7. No theft.
8. No accusing folk of things they didn't do.
9. No envying other people's wives (or husbands).
10. No envying other people's property and servants and stuff like that.

Of course the principle in the third commandment, which seems to be the commandment that this thread is about, is that employer and employee ought to rest one day in seven. The fight seems to be about Saturday. The vast majority of Christians rest on both Saturday and Sunday, but some rest on Sunday exclusively while others rest on Saturday exclusively. The former follow apostolic example the latter follow the command as it is written in Exodus 20.

So you also agree that the fourth commandment (the Sabbath) should be kept?