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Jesus was not an Arminian
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It also leaves out the disobedient and unbelievers who do nothing.
Would you mind showing me the covenant of grace in the Bible.
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But you're the one who insists that a free will decision is required for regeneration. So do you believe babies make a free will decision?
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I politely answered your question; I would appreciate the same from you.
Would you send babies to hell?
What sins has a baby committed from which he/she needs regenerating? And please don't give me the 'Adam's sin' theory. If the kingdom of God is of children, man must make them out to be sinners, in order to send them to hell.
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Your question is hypothetical and makes no difference. I am not God. God is free to do what he wills with his creation. If he wants to save babies by grace, that's His choice. I'm consistent on my position. All people are guilty in Adam, and if anyone is saved, baby or adult, it is by a free and sovereign act of God's grace.
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Is this typical of Calvinists not to answer questions which would expose their beliefs? By the way, I am going to 'assume' you would not send babies to hell. If my assumption is wrong, please correct me.
Why would you, as miserable, finite sinner, not send babies to hell, when you claim God does? Are you more compassionate than God? Is there some 'mercy' in you that God does not possess? Does God's 'hate' overcome His love?
I asked you not to use the 'Adam theory', and guess what, you played your 'assumptive ace' anyway.
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The unregenerates will always go around and around. The best way to explain to an atheist is to give them a possibility that one particular baby grew up to an adult and he blew up Planet Earth with extreme hatred for all humanity. Now that God forsaw this event, He prevented that by arranging circumstances. Now, God left the baby to follow it's natural course on the Express Bus to the Bottomlesspitville.
In other words, cause of Adam, we all sinned and don't deserve Heaven. The arminians say they should deserve something cause theres something good inside them. The Calvinist say theres nothing good about our sins. Big difference !
God told Adam if he bit the apple, all of his children with suffer death and spiritual death. Why blame God for Adam's sweet hunger?
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Really? In all my years of reading the Bible, I've never come across this. Please share.
And I would ask you this, why blame US for Adam's sweet hunger? So, Adam ate the 'bitter' apple and OUR teeth are set on edge? I will believe God on this, we are not to use this proverb any longer, so this 'theory' is dead.
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Where did I ever claim this? Please provide the link. I do not believe God sends babies to hell. I just told you I believe they are saved by free and sovereign grace just like adults are, without any respect to any good or bad they've done. I believe infants who die are elect by default.
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Hah! You didn't read my post. You read what you wanted to read into it.
I said I will ASSUME you would not send babies to hell. Is my assumption incorrect?
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Here again you failed to read what I said. Here it is again; perhaps you can answer this time.
Rising Spirit made this statement:
God told Adam if he bit the apple, all of his children with suffer death and spiritual death.
I asked where in the Bible was this written, for I have never read this. Care to answer now?
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You're not following the conversation. When I said "When did I say this?" I was responding to when you said this:
Arcoe said:
I NEVER CLAIMED GOD SENDS BABIES TO HELL. Again, please provide the link showing where I ever claimed God sends babies to hell.
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This is a long thread, and I've only scanned it.
But are there any real Arminians any more? Is there any real "Arminianism?" There certainly isn't any real "Calvinism" anymore--at least not purely as John Calvin preached it.
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No Arminian says we "deserve" anything. Calvinists CLAIM that we say this, but we don't.
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Five articles of remonstrants states that man can cooperate in saving themselves due to a tiny little bit of spiritual good left in their souls. Calvinist claims there are nothing good left and can't cooperate without God first regenerating the elects.
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