To tithe, or not to tithe. That is the question!

[Ashlantal]

Galatians as a whole refutes this.

Btw , Galatians is probably the most misunderstood book in the Bible .

 

[Faulty]

Btw , Galatians is probably the most misunderstood book in the Bible .

And your evidence is what?

 

[WordofHisPower]

bottom line, it has been handily proven, that the tithing docrtrine is wrong.

There's no scripture where God tells us to stop tithing, or to replace tithing with something different. Tithing scripturally pre-dates and post-dates the law.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I understand the tithe would go into the storehouse .. and it would be brought out at certain times for feasts and for the priests and to help the poor.

now there is no storehouse ..

so i tend to look at giving to the poor as giving to God

and giving "offerings" to ministries such as churches as taking part in their ministry.

also when giving the intent of the heart is important . there are some things that can only be acquired of God "without money"

 

[Ashlantal]

Galatians as a whole refutes this.

And your evidence is what?

Attempt to use Galatians to argue that the law has been abolished and I will use Galatians to refute your attempt .

 

[joseph10]

The reason we give through the Church is to glorify Gods church. And operate as one body in unity. When we go outside the church and reach out to the poor it also brings glory to God. But we can also become filled with pride.
Christ said i did not come to due away with the Law. And he did not but we are now born again under the law. We keep it in respect of our fathers will not because of demand.

 

[Always in His Presence]

How was the shepherds needs met? Did he tend the sheep and then work another job to feed his family?

Both tend the sheep, both have their needs met by tending the sheep. The difference is what one does what happens when trouble comes. See the issue here is not money, but the heart.

I don't believe your issue is with the tithe, it is with the church. You seem to be consumed by it. All the while missing the greater blessing. I'm praying for you.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Oh, and last time I looked Paul was not a pastor.

 

[Frogster]

he was their father...who sought no to burden them.


1 cor 4:15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

my little children, gal 4:19, and a parental reference in 1 thess 2, where he talked about working, not to burden others financially.

and he showed his way of life to the pastors of epehesus, in acts 20, working hard.

 

[Faulty]

Attempt to use Galatians to argue that the law has been abolished and I will use Galatians to refute your attempt .

Oh yea? Well, my dad can beat up your dad!

Sheesh...

 

[Always in His Presence]

Oh yea? Well, my dad can beat up your dad!

Sheesh...

LOL. you forgot nanny nanny boo boo

You crack me up

 

[GaryArnold]

Attempt to use Galatians to argue that the law has been abolished and I will use Galatians to refute your attempt .

Either the law ended, OR, follow the law.

THE FIRST TITHE
Leviticus 27:30-33 defines this tithe as a tenth of crops and animals in herds and flocks.
Numbers 18 gives the ordinances, or instructions, for this tithe, and commands this tithe be taken to the Levites.
Purpose of this tithe: to support the Levitical Priesthood.

SECOND TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:22-27: aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take to the yearly feasts.
Purpose of this tithe: “that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always”

THIRD TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:28-29: aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.
Purpose of this tithe: to feed the poor.

The ONLY people in the Old Testament that were commanded to tithe were those who INHERITED THE PROMISED LAND WITH EVERYTHING ON IT. They got the land, house, animals, crops, etc. ALL FREE AND CLEAR. No mortgage payment or rent to pay. And THEY were commanded to tithe on the crops and animals and take it to the Levites who INHERITED the tithe INSTEAD OF the promised land with everything on it. No one else tithed. Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus did not tithe as a carpenter. Paul did not tithe as a tent maker. Peter did not tithe as a fisherman.

You won't find ANY command to tithe money. You won't find ANY command to tithe from your income. You won't find ANY command to take the tithe to the local church organization.

But, does the scripture tell us we are not under the law?

Matthew 5:17-18 states Christ came to fulfill the law and not abolish it.

This is where some education in law is useful. What does fulfill mean? What does abolish mean?

Let me give an example. A legal contract is enforceable under the law. Let’s say you hire a contractor to build a swimming pool in your back yard. Once the contractor has completed the job, and everything in that contract has been completed, the contract has been fulfilled. The contractor’s job is to fulfill the contract, not abolish it. He fulfills it by completing the terms, bringing it to an end.

Consider:

Hebrews 8:13 (KJV) - In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Colossians 2:14 (KJV) - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Galatians 5:18 (KJV) - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 3:19 (KJV) - Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. In other words, until Jesus came and fulfilled the law.

Galatians 3:23-25 (KJV)
23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:10-14 (KJV)
10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

So, either accept that the law ended, OR comply with the law.

It really doesn't matter to me as far as tithing goes. If we are under the law, the tithing laws didn't apply to wage earners or to anyone's income.

 

[K2K]

The reason we give through the Church is to glorify Gods church. And operate as one body in unity. When we go outside the church and reach out to the poor it also brings glory to God. But we can also become filled with pride.
Christ said i did not come to due away with the Law. And he did not but we are now born again under the law. We keep it in respect of our fathers will not because of demand.

Are we supposed to gloridy the Church or is the church (us) supposed to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ?

It seems to me that some have things really backwards!

 

[New_Wineskin]

How was the shepherds needs met? Did he tend the sheep and then work another job to feed his family?

The sheep do not pay the shepherd - the owner of the sheep does .

 

[Always in His Presence]

The sheep do not pay the shepherd - the owner of the sheep does .

The shepherd is the owner of the sheep, is gains his wealth through the products the sheep produce. Fleece, skins and meat.

The shepherd hires the hireling who is only in it for the money. The shepherd lays his life down for the sheep. Hope that helps

 

[Frogster]

in the church, people are not possesions.

 

[redeemedbygrace24]

I consider myself to be very giving, and I have sought the Lord on this issue many times. I seek to please and serve the Lord with all of my heart, but I do not feel that I'm obligated to tithe. I feel that the Lord first wants our hearts and wants us to serve him wholeheartedly.

If people are going to be bound by 10% thinking that's a sure way to Heaven, then they will be greatly deceived. God is worth more than 10% to me and I want to give to him by serving, loving, praying, obeying, and giving monetarily as he lays on my heart. I believe in supporting his Kingdom purpose and blessing those in need. I believe in giving freely out of support and love of my God rather than by Law. If tithing was so important to God, wouldn't he have made it a commandment? Instead, he commanded us to Love first. If we love, we will give. It goes hand in hand. Not give first, but love so that you will give. I believe that the commandment of Love further tells us that tithing should not be a lawful obligation. We should give out of love not grudgingly.

A pastor mentioned the other day that your 10% is only safe in the church which I frowned upon because we have people who need money to support their families, but some Godly people will not give to others only giving to the collection plate to feed their conscious. We should devote our whole life to God, ready to sacrifice accordingly as the Spirit Leads not out of obligation in my opinion. God loves obedience and a Cheerful giver

If I am wrong, I pray that the Lord will convict my heart. I'm open to different interpetations

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I just remembered something .. the Gospel is for the poor . and when you're poor 10% of your income is actually a lot.

God also likes it when people give freely of their hearts and with cheer .

if you teach that people "have to" do something .. that's not communicating God's heart on the matter.

 

[blessedinChrist2]

10% is very little when you do it out of obedience to Father God. He blesses us so we can give the 10% he asked for. Tithing is his idea and he backs it up with his provision. We've been doing it for many years and Father God has taken care of us miraculously many times.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

I'm just not off the fact that BeforeThereWas would say I have an evil heart for promoting tithing when I had only the best intentions in mind ...

Is false accusation the only defense you have for your position?

Anyone with a reasonable level of reading comprehension skills would have caught what I actually said. Following is a quote of what I said:

"Generally speaking, it seems to make no difference to legalistic religionists that the tithe never had anything to do with the wages of wage earners, but as before, antiquity of false teaching enjoys the central place of acceptance in the evil hearts of those who would dare try to enslave others in the same chains of bondage as themselves."

I emphasized the one item you overlooked.....for whatever reason. The fact that you took it to heart speaks loud volumes to any intentions.

If allegedly "good intentions" were an excuse for false teaching, then we'd have no empirical TRUTH at which we could point. With good intentions as the accepted motivation behind teachings, we'd end up with an image of God that suits any immoral mindset imaginable.

If good intentions were an acceptable excuse, the Lord would not have taken the life of Uzzah when he, with good intentions, touched the Ark of the Covenant in order to keep it from falling off the oxen cart.

The absence of any real answers to questions asked of you was something I expected after seeing your performances in here. I assumed nothing about you personally from the start. That's why I took the time to ask questions. Your unwillingness to answer speaks loud volumes that only YOU controlled.

I would normally ask what it is in Galatians you think is misunderstood, but assume it would be meaningless to ask.....given your past performance thus far. One-liner answers fail to offer anything meaningful to discuss.

You see, we have MORE than just Galatians from which we glean an understanding of our relationship to the letter of the Law. You clearly place yourself upon the platform of guilt where the Law is concerned when practicing subjectively choosing from the Law what is relevant for us today, and what is not.

If you think you're following the Law, then go for it. The curse under which you seem to choose for yourself is on your own head, not ours. Your blood isn't on our hands. You have the TRUTH before you. That you choose interpretations errected upon the foundations of subjective rules is a blunder you've chosen for yourself. Nobody else here chose it for you.

BTW