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createdtoworship

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If it's truly above our ways, you would also have no idea about it.... so what right do you have to make assertions based on what is above you?

I am not sure how God respects His creations, I really don't know the details of it. Never did.
 
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all sin is still sin, and there is no way around it. The law is like a balloon one prick and it's all over. One sin = we die. We must be saved by grace.


Is it hard for you to answer the actual points that are brought up?

That in no way addresses what he actually said.
 
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Really... so the ten commandments as we know them aren't actually tenets of Christianity?

they are, Christ modified and ratified them.....in mathew somewhere. I forget where. It's where he said "you have heard it said that you must not commit adultery, BUT I SAY whoever looks upon a woman with lust has already commited adultery in the heart"

See He modified the commandment being harsher,

and ratified it by stating that it still applies. He does that with several of the Commandments. So the ten commandment still apply.
 
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I am not sure how God respects His creations, I really don't know the details of it. Never did.

Then what right do you have to come on here and tell me what his will and rights are?

You just openly admitted you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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they are, Christ modified and ratified them.....in mathew somewhere. I forget where. It's where he said "you have heard it said that you must not commit adultery, BUT I SAY whoever looks upon a woman with lust has already commited adultery in the heart"

See He modified the commandment being harsher,

and ratified it by stating that it still applies. He does that with several of the Commandments. So the ten commandment still apply.



What about the commandments that he didn't modify?

And that raises the question that if God's law was perfect, just and moral beforehand.... why does it require modification?
 
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Is it hard for you to answer the actual points that are brought up?

That in no way addresses what he actually said.

He said basically that some sins are easier than others, but all sin is sin. I said, whats wrong with that?
 
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What about the commandments that he didn't modify?

And that raises the question that if God's law was perfect, just and moral beforehand.... why does it require modification?

Christ was basically stating that the law was good, but that He HAS AUTHORITY over the law. Thats all that was really said, He was not trying to undermine the law and state it was imperfect. Thats what an unbeliever would try to do.
 
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He said basically that some sins are easier than others, but all sin is sin. I said, whats wrong with that?


No, he didn't.... he asked why didn't God make all sin as easy to avoid as committing murder.
 
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Christ was basically stating that the law was good, but that He HAS AUTHORITY over the law. Thats all that was really said, He was not trying to undermine the law of state it was imperfect. Thats what an unbeliever would try to do.


Again, you're not addressing the point.... the laws of the state were never talked about at all, I have no idea why you're bringing them up? Even more ironically, you're claiming "that's what an unbeliever would do"!!

And the fact he has authority over the law is completely irrelevant.


I said if God's original Old Testament law was perfect, just and moral, then why would it require modification? Perfect things require no change, as it's impossible to make perfection better.
 
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No, he didn't.... he asked why didn't God make all sin as easy to avoid as committing murder.

same thing, all sin is sin. If it's a sin of hate, it's murder. If it's a murder, it's still the same level of sin as hate. Sin is sin. Regardless.
 
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Again, you're not addressing the point.... the laws of the state were never talked about at all, I have no idea why you're bringing them up? Even more ironically, you're claiming "that's what an unbeliever would do"!!

And the fact he has authority over the law is completely irrelevant.


I said if God's original Old Testament law was perfect, just and moral, then why would it require modification? Perfect things require no change, as it's impossible to make perfection better.

I had a typo, this is what I tried to say:

Thats all that was really said, He was not trying to undermine the law and state it was imperfect. Thats what an unbeliever would try to do.
 
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Again, you're not addressing the point.... the laws of the state were never talked about at all, I have no idea why you're bringing them up? Even more ironically, you're claiming "that's what an unbeliever would do"!!

And the fact he has authority over the law is completely irrelevant.


I said if God's original Old Testament law was perfect, just and moral, then why would it require modification? Perfect things require no change, as it's impossible to make perfection better.

here is a book that may make some sense:

HEBREWS 7:19—Was the Law of Moses perfect or imperfect?

PROBLEM:
The psalmist declared that the “law of the Lord is perfect” (Ps. 19:7). It reflects the very character of God (cf. Lev. 11:45). Yet the writer of Hebrews insists that “the law made nothing perfect” (7:19), and thus God brought in a “better covenant” (v. 22). This, he contends, would not have been necessary “if that first covenant had been faultless” (Heb. 8:7). So, who is right? Is the law perfect or imperfect?

SOLUTION: The law was perfect in its nature, but imperfect in its results. It was a perfect expression of God’s righteousness, but an imperfect means of making man righteous. Of course, that is not the fault of the law itself or the purpose for which God gave it. For the law was never given to redeem sinners (Titus 3:5–6; Rom. 4:5), but to reveal sin. As a standard and means of revealing sin, the law was an impeccable norm and teacher. But it was only “our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (Gal. 3:24). Like a mirror, the law was intended to reveal our imperfections as we look into it; but it, no more than the mirror, was intended to correct our imperfections. So the law is perfect in itself, as a rule and revealer of sin, but it is imperfect as a means of empowering us to overcome sin.


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Geisler, Norman L. ; Howe, Thomas A.: When Critics Ask : A Popular Handbook on Bible Difficulties. Wheaton, Ill. : Victor Books, 1992, S. 516
 
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Since sin is dead apart from law, what happens if we live under law?
The Law is Love, Compassion and Service to Others. What happens when we live by that Law? We become more human, Human Beings.

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same thing, all sin is sin. If it's a sin of hate, it's murder. If it's a murder, it's still the same level of sin as hate. Sin is sin. Regardless.


Ok.... read the question, then read your response.

Now explain to me how in any way your response addresses the question. It is completely irrelevant to the topic!

The question was why wouldn't God make all sin as easy to avoid as committing murder, or child rape, or whatever.

saying "sin is sin!" is a meaningless response... answer the question!
 
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I had a typo, this is what I tried to say:

Thats all that was really said, He was not trying to undermine the law and state it was imperfect. Thats what an unbeliever would try to do.


Oh my.....

PLEASE read what we're typing.

I asked if God's law was perfect, moral and just..... then WHY did Jesus need to modify it?
 
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