Atheism

[razeontherock]

They were mistaken.

How convenient

 

[razeontherock]

The Cherokee believe(d) that all human disease and suffering originated with the killing of animals for improper purposes. For each animal killed for pleasure or without proper ceremonies, it allowed a new disease to enter the physical world from the spirit world.

Makes sense.

Stephen King was Cherokee?

 

[razeontherock]

What happens when his His Word (that has been removed) contradicts your His Word (that was left intact)?

Who is right, who is wrong and how can this logically be determined?

Mostly because damage to the body occurs IMMEDIATELY upon contact with modern cigarette smoke

 

[razeontherock]

He said that have been removed from early Biblical texts, the smoking parts. And everybody knows that your bible has been edited (adding, subtracting, etc).

Hogwash. In fact, all evidence points to the contrary (with very few exceptions, that aren't consequential at all)

 

[razeontherock]

How is the (naturally occurring) nicotine in tobacco different to the (naturally occurring) glucose in oranges?

One is food.

 

[razeontherock]

Also in another glorious contradiction, the NT condemns drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18, 1 Cor 6:12), but clearly forgets Jesus' point that it really doesn't matter; in Matthew 15:11, because whatever goes in a man's mouth doesn't actually make any difference.

Matt 15:17 shows God didn't let Jesus in on the whole "nutrition" thing he'd created.

This was not a paper on nutrition. If you understood this you would realize there is no contradiction.

 

[Eudaimonist]

If they were more conservative than typical theists I might agree with you here.

Conservative =/= moral.

Much of socially conservative morality is either dogmatically Biblical or merely conserving some regional, and often not very old, cultural traditions. This is not a standard of moral sincerity or ambitiousness for people who don't identify with that religion or culture. It would only be so if one was a conservative Christian who fully embraced social conservatism as a moral guide. Honest people can honestly conclude that social conservatives have it wrong.

People who are familiar with social conservatism, but who embrace some other stance instead, generally do so because they see the flaws in social conservatism or because they see their own moral standards as correct and desirable. They reject socal conservatism on moral grounds. They see it as a false moral guide, or at best only a guide for Christians living in a particular time and place. I'm not saying that there can't be counter-examples, but in my experience most non-conservative people show a sincere interest in standing up for right against wrong.

It is wrong to simply assume that if someone isn't interested in following your moral code, they must not be interested in living up to their moral code.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Non sequitur]

Makes sense.

Stephen King was Cherokee?

Someone asked for disease myths, so I answered them.

They seem to have disappeared now...

 

[Non sequitur]

Hogwash. In fact, all evidence points to the contrary (with very few exceptions, that aren't consequential at all)

Hogwash.

 

[createdtoworship]

Conservative =/= moral.

Much of socially conservative morality is either dogmatically Biblical or merely conserving some regional, and often not very old, cultural traditions. This is not a standard of moral sincerity or ambitiousness for people who don't identify with that religion or culture. It would only be so if one was a conservative Christian who fully embraced social conservatism as a moral guide. Honest people can honestly conclude that social conservatives have it wrong.

People who are familiar with social conservatism, but who embrace some other stance instead, generally do so because they see the flaws in social conservatism or because they see their own moral standards as correct and desirable. They reject socal conservatism on moral grounds. They see it as a false moral guide, or at best only a guide for Christians living in a particular time and place. I'm not saying that there can't be counter-examples, but in my experience most non-conservative people show a sincere interest in standing up for right against wrong.

It is wrong to simply assume that if someone isn't interested in following your moral code, they must not be interested in living up to their moral code.


eudaimonia,

Mark

conservative is the nicer word rather than saying , "ya all lack some moral sense". So conservative it is. And I don't mean politically conservative necessarily. Just a generalized sense of the word.

 

[Eudaimonist]

conservative is the nicer word rather than saying , "ya all lack some moral sense".

I've never heard the word used that way.

And I don't mean politically conservative necessarily. Just a generalized sense of the word.

What is the "generalized sense of the word" to you?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[createdtoworship]

I've never heard the word used that way.



What is the "generalized sense of the word" to you?


eudaimonia,

Mark

you know when someone says, they dress conservatively

like that.

It's just another word for moral conscientiousness

 

[Eudaimonist]

you know when someone says, they dress conservatively

like that.

It's just another word for moral conscientiousness

When someone says to dress conservatively, they don't mean to dress morally. They mean to dress in a way that is traditional or restrained in style.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[createdtoworship]

When someone says to dress conservatively, they don't mean to dress morally. They mean to dress in a way that is traditional or restrained in style.


eudaimonia,

Mark

restrainment is another word for it yes

Some one who uses restraint

moreso than someone who doesn't believe in accountability to a higher power.

 

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[razeontherock]

Hogwash.

So you are thoroughly unfamiliar with the DSS (Dead Seas Scrolls) and their impact.

 

[Non sequitur]

So you are thoroughly unfamiliar with the DSS (Dead Seas Scrolls) and their impact.

I am familiar with them as I need to be.

 

[razeontherock]

I am familiar with them as I need to be.

Which is, enough to know nothing at all about their impact, or your opinions on this subject. And yet form opinions anyway ...

 

[Eudaimonist]

Some one who uses restraint

moreso than someone who doesn't believe in accountability to a higher power.

One doesn't have to believe in "accountability to a higher power" to experience a motivation to exercise restraint. It's not like nontheists necessarily lack a conscience or moral compass.

I think you need to be very careful here. It may appear to you that if someone doesn't live by values from your particular subculture, that they don't restrain themselves. They may very well do this, but for the sake of other values.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Jonathan95]

Fructose is an analgesic - a drug. Are oranges sorcery?

How is the (naturally occurring) nicotine in tobacco different to the (naturally occurring) glucose in oranges?

Oranges aren't intoxicating and mind-altering that way.