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Recently I have become fascinated by Atheism and Atheistic philosophy.
I want to ask you guys (the Atheist community here) what should Christians know about Atheism?

Are you a weak Atheist or strong Atheist in your terms of views?
What are your opinions on strong Atheism or weak Atheism?
What are your opinions on Religion?
What are your opinions on some of the more famous figures in Atheism today? E.g. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Micheal Shermer, Stephen Hawkings, Peter Atkins, Sam Harris.
Have you ever experienced any discrimination for being an Atheist?
 
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Recently I have become fascinated by Atheism and Atheistic philosophy.
I want to ask you guys (the Atheist community here) what should Christians know about Atheism?

That the only thing it means is that a person doesn't believe in any gods. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Recently I have become fascinated by Atheism and Atheistic philosophy.
I want to ask you guys (the Atheist community here) what should Christians know about Atheism?
That there is no such thing as an atheist philosophy, though some philosophies may not specify anything about gods.

What type of Atheism do you agree with and why?
There is only one type: the position that belief in gods is untenable.
What are your opinions on other forms of Atheism or famous figures of Atheism?
You'd have to name some in particular.
What are you opinions on anti Religion and anti Atheism movements and discrimination?
When one thinks of events like 9/11 or the destruction of Buddhist statues by the Taliban or the subway poison gas incident in Japan, or the anti-gay marriage movement etc., one understands the anti-theist sentiment..

I don't know what you mean about discrimination. The insistence of atheist organizations that the US uphold the 1st amendment is hardly discrimination.
 
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I think the OP is interested in Strong Atheism vs Weak Atheism. Personally I fall into the category of weak or agnostic athiesm. We cannot know for certain there are no gods, they may be hiding behind the couch or off somewhere else, but we have no evidence to support a belief in a god.

This is an important idea I wish more theists understood. Very few athiests are saying they 'know' there isn't a god, rather we are saying there isn't enough evidence to compell us to believe. I think a strong atheists is misguided because we can never disprove that something exists, it is theoretically possible that bigfoot and the loch ness monster exist but I'm not holding my breath on either of them.
 
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Recently I have become fascinated by Atheism and Atheistic philosophy.
I want to ask you guys (the Atheist community here) what should Christians know about Atheism?

For starters, it's not a faith or a belief. It is the absence of both. I cannot point to the absence of a cat on my floor and say it means there is an animal in the room, can I?

But you should also know that the vast majority of atheists have no problem with people believing in religions. We recognize that everyone believes things that don't have evidence at some point in their lives, that some of these things turn out to be true and others don't. The only problem arises when we are forced to act in accordance to the non-evidence-supported beliefs of others.

What type of Atheism do you agree with and why?

There's really only one form: A lack of belief in gods. This commonly coincides with agnosticism (admitting we don't know if there are gods or not, the same way we can't say for sure that fairies don't exist, but still don't believe in them until proven otherwise). But it can also be paired with spiritual nature worship, Wicca, Buddhism, or several other religions that don't specifically require belief in gods. None of these are mutually exclusive actually.

What are your opinions on other forms of Atheism or famous figures of Atheism?

I do like to read PZ Myer's Pharyngula blog and keep tabs on the atheist community that is growing like a well fed bacteria culture in the petri dish of the internet. I'm trying to read 'The Selfish Gene' by Dawkins but I keep having to put it down and lie down and think about stuff to get it straight in my head. What he's saying makes perfect sense but does so from such an unusual perspective that it's disorienting. I think it's interesting that The Selfish Gene, one of his first books, has almost no mention of religion in it. It's pretty much purely about genetics and biology. Compare that with 'The God Delusion'. The same with Myers--if you look at his earliest blog posts, a lot of it is just silly rambling, talking about why I.D. is dumb and evolution makes sense. Fast forward six years and his blog is much more 'militant', anti-religious and loud about it.

I think it's because both of these guys, respected experts in their own fields, started with the intention of teaching people about genetics and biology, but quickly realized that many folks simply aren't capable of hearing it because their religion gets in the way of scientific truth. I doubt either of them woke up one morning and thought, 'Hey, my mailbox is totally empty of hatemail and death threats, what could I do to fix that?' It was something that snowballed.

What are you opinions on anti Religion and anti Atheism movements and discrimination?

The anti-religious movements can be summed up as thus: Believe what you want. Believe whatever you want. But don't hurt anybody else because of your beliefs, and don't force us or our children to join in your rituals, and don't make laws about things based solely on your religion that affect all of us, and please stop telling us we're going to hell because it's as annoying and ineffective as being repeatedly slapped with a noodle.

As far as anti-atheism goes, I see a lot of lies being perpetuated about atheists. That we're immoral, unethical, and even dangerous. That we're unhappy and our lives are empty. (We aren't and they aren't.) That it takes as much faith not to think something exists as to think it does. That we're communists/fascists/marxists/socialists etc. That you have to be an atheist to be a liberal, and vice versa. That we 'hate' god. That we only don't believe in your religion because we want the moral license to be hedonists. That we think we are our own gods.

Every time I drive home or visit my grandparents, I see several religious billboards along the road that have been there for years. Yet when atheists put up a billboard, or a bus sticker, it is quickly vandalized. When a student insists that his school not lead a prayer at a school function due to separation of church and state, the school does so anyway and the kid drops out due to death threats, physical abuse, and social ostracizing while his teachers openly rant against him. The christians in the town were all the while claiming that this was persecution against their beliefs. Our previous president said outright that he didn't think atheists could be patriots, and could barely be considered citizens. In the army christian officers abuse and berate atheists under their command, knowing full well that any attempt to argue or resist can get them cited for insubordination.

How do I feel about anti-atheist discrimination?

I want it to stop.
 
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Every time I drive home or visit my grandparents, I see several religious billboards along the road that have been there for years. Yet when atheists put up a billboard, or a bus sticker, it is quickly vandalized. When a student insists that his school not lead a prayer at a school function due to separation of church and state, the school does so anyway and the kid drops out due to death threats, physical abuse, and social ostracizing while his teachers openly rant against him. The christians in the town were all the while claiming that this was persecution against their beliefs. Our previous president said outright that he didn't think atheists could be patriots, and could barely be considered citizens. In the army christian officers abuse and berate atheists under their command, knowing full well that any attempt to argue or resist can get them cited for insubordination.
Suppose I were to doubt that the things you've said in this paragraph are true. What solid evidence (as opposed to anecdotal evidence) could you offer to back these claims up?
 
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Suppose I were to doubt that the things you've said in this paragraph are true. What solid evidence (as opposed to anecdotal evidence) could you offer to back these claims up?

Billboards and bus ads:
Atheist billboard defaced on N.C.'s Billy Graham Parkway - Yahoo! News
Atheist bus ads vandalized in Detroit - Los Angeles atheism | Examiner.com
Judge rules bus line wrong to deny atheist ads

The story of Damon Fowler:
Bastrop High School Removes Prayer from Graduation Ceremony - MyArkLaMiss.com
Just like any other graduation - Bastrop, LA - Bastrop Daily Enterprise
High School Student Stands Up Against Prayer at Public School and Is Ostracized, Demeaned and Threatened | Belief | AlterNet
Blag Hag: Atheist high schooler receives death threats for protesting graduation prayer

I remembered incorrectly: He didn't drop out (he was graduating), he just got kicked out of his own home.




Will find the rest of the links after class, this is just a quickie.
 
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Yeah, funny that. You try to take away everyone else's right to free speech and all of a sudden they don't like you.

I asked for evidence that wasn't anecdotal, which you seem to have misunderstood. So you can find a couple instances in which somebody tore a piece of paper off the side of a bus? Big whoop. I can easily find stupid crap done by haters of Christianity against Christians, such as the destruction of the Mojave Desert Veterans Memorial or Mary Allen being banned from speaking at her high school graduation because she's a Christian. We could swap anecdotes all night long. Solid evidence would be a real study or other reliable source documenting that persecution against any religious group is actually common.
 
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Yeah, funny that. You try to take away everyone else's right to free speech and all of a sudden they don't like you.

I asked for evidence that wasn't anecdotal, which you seem to have misunderstood. So you can find a couple instances in which somebody tore a piece of paper off the side of a bus? Big whoop. I can easily find stupid crap done by haters of Christianity against Christians, such as the destruction of the Mojave Desert Veterans Memorial or Mary Allen being banned from speaking at her high school graduation because she's a Christian. We could swap anecdotes all night long. Solid evidence would be a real study or other reliable source documenting that persecution against any religious group is actually common.
LOL. Oh you poor persecuted Christian! The funniest thing about the examples you gave is they were probably carried out by your fellow Christians, how funny is that?
 
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I'm a naturalist. I believe that everything in the universe is purely a function of matter, energy, and the natural properties thereof. I don't believe in the existence of any supernatural forces or entities. By logical extension, that makes me an atheist, at least as regards any kind of supernatural diety. Of course, I can't prove naturalism with absolute metaphysical certainty. It does require faith. But it's a faith based on inductive reasoning. Everything that was once thought to be of supernatural origin has been shown to be a perfectly natural event once it was understood. In the entire history of knowledge, a supernatural explanation has never proven valid for anything. So to me, it's logical to conclude that everything is a natural phenomenon. I think the terms "weak atheist" or "agnostic atheist" are confusing and rather weasily. If I have to modify my viewpoint to account for epistemologic uncertainty, I'd say that I'm a presumptive naturalist (or atheist.) Meaning I will believe there is no supernatural god until I find convincing evidence to the contrary.

BTW, some of the writers who've influenced me are Paul Kurtz, Victor Stenger, and Daniel Dennett. And of course, the classic God-skeptics, Voltaire, and Bertrand Russell.
 
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Recently I have become fascinated by Atheism and Atheistic philosophy.
I want to ask you guys (the Atheist community here) what should Christians know about Atheism?
It is merely a lack of a certain belief. As such, it is pretty insignificant to myself, not any more significant than my lack of belief in fairies or Santa. Ideas that I don´t subscribe to don´t define me. Personally, I find it absurd to capitalize "atheism", as though it were an ideology or a belief system.
There´s no such thing as "atheistic philosophy", and a common lack of belief is not sufficient for feeling that I am in "community" with another person.

IOW: What you are fascinated with is most likely not "atheism" but something else.

Are you a weak Atheist or strong Atheist in your terms of views?
Well, the main problem with calling myself "atheist" is that everyone is free to define "God" as they wish. Consequently, "atheism" is actually much too global a term - I don´t know all the god concepts people out there hold, and therefore I can not be sure that one or several of them point to an idea that I would agree with.
Each god concept deserves to be considered on an individual basis (unfortunately many theists are not aware of this problem)
What are your opinions on strong Atheism or weak Atheism?
I think this distinction is not very important.
What are your opinions on Religion?
Sorry, I don´t have the time to write a book. :)
What are your opinions on some of the more famous figures in Atheism today? E.g. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Micheal Shermer, Stephen Hawkings, Peter Atkins, Sam Harris.
I haven´t read any of them.
That said, I wouldn´t even know why to define them by their atheism (see above). I hope they have some interesting beliefs (not: mere lacking beliefs) to share.
Have you ever experienced any discrimination for being an Atheist?
No. Misunderstood, misrepresented, strongly disapproved of - but discrimated against? - no.
 
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What are your opinions on some of the more famous figures in Atheism today? E.g. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Micheal Shermer, Stephen Hawkings, Peter Atkins, Sam Harris.

I am a big fan of both Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. I've read a couple books by Dawkins and Sam Harris (also pretty awesome) and enjoyed them all. Haven't read anything by Hitchens yet but I enjoy watching youtube videos of him debating and speaking.

Harris is much more understated than Hitchens but I love how he can be so unassuming yet come out swinging with 2x4s of logic. Harris made a great point, and I've been trying to find this quote, about how athiesm is a word that shouldn't even exist. He says, we don't have words for people who deny the existance of faires or those who doubt alchemy, so why have a word for what is essentially acceting the obvious?
 
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Recently I have become fascinated by Atheism and Atheistic philosophy.
I want to ask you guys (the Atheist community here) what should Christians know about Atheism?

Are you a weak Atheist or strong Atheist in your terms of views?

Weak.

What are your opinions on strong Atheism or weak Atheism?

Strong is too confident a claim, weak is closer to how most people operate when presented with a posited existent entity (with the exception of all the special pleading religionists resort to, naturally).

What are your opinions on Religion?

I think it's a shame we as a species are still dependent on it, in some cases I really despise what it does to people.

What are your opinions on some of the more famous figures in Atheism today? E.g. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Micheal Shermer, Stephen Hawkings, Peter Atkins, Sam Harris.

Dawkins - out of his depth when it comes to anything bar biology, but a decent populariser.

Hitchens - also a decent populariser, decent wit.

Shermer - probably the most approachable populariser, generally seems to be critical without coming across as a massive jerk.

Hawkings - I really wish he'd drop the positivism as well as put some actual maths in his books, Penrose manages it just fine, but otherwise a fascinating chap.

Atkins - cannot stand.

Harris - not come across anything by him.

Have you ever experienced any discrimination for being an Atheist?

No. Then again, I haven't been one for a particularly long time.
 
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IOW: What you are fascinated with is most likely not "atheism" but something else.

Well, to whittle it down a bit further, I'm interested in the political tension that appears to be there between Christianity and Atheism (particularly new Atheism) in areas such as today's modern pop culture.
 
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Well, to whittle it down a bit further, I'm interested in the political tension that appears to be there between Christianity and Atheism (particularly new Atheism) in areas such as today's modern pop culture.
What is the political tension you perceive being between the two?
What, in your observation, are the particularities of "today´s modern pop culture", and what culture are you contrasting it to?
Do you observe metaphysical questions to be a significant issue "in today´s modern pop culture"?
What are, in your opinion, the particularities of "new Atheism", as opposed to ordinary atheism?
Do you also feel there is a new Christianity?

To clarify:
I am asking and wondering these things because:
1. I am an old fart and not really into "today´s modern pop culture".
2. I´m not American, and "new Atheism" appears to be a term coined in the USA. I´m not really sure what it means (I cannot really make sense of 'a new way of not believing something').
3. To tell from the information I get on this board about Christianity in the USA it seems to be very different there than it is here (and also is the attitude of Christians and non-believers towards each other).
4. You are 21. Not to belittle you because of your young age - but "today´s modern pop culture" is likely to be the only one that you have lived in (correct me if I am wrong).
 
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To clarify:
I am asking and wondering these things because:
1. I am an old fart and not really into "today´s modern pop culture".

I'm guessing it's going to be about women getting the vote or some other progressive ideal that upsets certain conservative Christian groups. Maybe it'll relate to one of the topics we can't discuss here because reality goes against Christian beliefs on the topics.

2. I´m not American, and "new Atheism" appears to be a term coined in the USA. I´m not really sure what it means (I cannot really make sense of 'a new way of not believing something').
It's code for atheists that don't keep quiet about their views.

3. To tell from the information I get on this board about Christianity in the USA it seems to be very different there than it is here (and also is the attitude of Christians and non-believers towards each other).
It's a small but vocal minority. That minority is larger than in other places, but there's still a lot of normal Christians here too who would find some of the things other Christians do as odd as you view them.
 
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Recently I have become fascinated by Atheism and Atheistic philosophy.
I want to ask you guys (the Atheist community here) what should Christians know about Atheism?

First, there is no single set of ideas called "Atheism". The worldviews of two atheists could differ on every single point except for nonbelief in gods.

Also, atheists don't usually capitalize the word "atheists".

I'd also like you to know that I'm an ethical person, and not prone to ethical fads. My ethical principles are pretty much what they were twenty years ago, although I have refined the details of my ethical views since then.

I also regard myself as a spiritual atheist. I don't mean that I believe in disembodied souls or supernatural realms, but that I have a concern for my spirit (my psyche) in that:

1) I ponder the deep philosophical questions of life
2) I appreciate experiences of awe and wonder regarding the universe
3) I seek the integration of my psyche
4) I have spiritual values such as serenity
5) I strive to gain better perspectives on life and to make use of them.

And the like.

Are you a weak Atheist or strong Atheist in your terms of views?

That depends on the god concept. Mainly I'm a weak atheist.

What are your opinions on strong Atheism or weak Atheism?

They are both fine. I'm somewhat opposed to antitheism, however. ("Antitheism" refers to the message of atheists who regard religion as overwhelmingly negative and dangerous to the world.)

What are your opinions on Religion?

That it's not part of my worldview. :)

I see both positive and negative aspects to various religions, and it depends on the religion.

What are your opinions on some of the more famous figures in Atheism today? E.g. Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Micheal Shermer, Stephen Hawkings, Peter Atkins, Sam Harris.

Boring, for the most part. And often overly antitheist. Generally, these people have had minimal influence on my worldview.

Have you ever experienced any discrimination for being an Atheist?

No, but I don't generally advertise my atheism to employers. I have had some shocked reactions from Christians (not employers) when I did mention in a nonconfrontational way that I was an atheist.


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...I also regard myself as a spiritual atheist. I don't mean that I believe in disembodied souls or supernatural realms, but that I have a concern for my spirit (my psyche) in that:

1) I ponder the deep philosophical questions of life
2) I appreciate experiences of awe and wonder regarding the universe
3) I seek the integration of my psyche
4) I have spiritual values such as serenity
5) I strive to gain better perspectives on life and to make use of them.

And the like...

This describes me quite well. I consider myself, for the most part, an agnostic atheist, which I suppose equates to a weak atheist. I don't believe in a god or gods. I believe there is no god or gods. But I'm not worried about whether there is or not. All of us could be wrong.
 
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