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Huram Abi
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There are many examples of single fossils falsifying 'irrefuteable evidence' that ends up in the great garbage bin of evolutionary delusions past.
Really? Name just one.
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There are many examples of single fossils falsifying 'irrefuteable evidence' that ends up in the great garbage bin of evolutionary delusions past.
He didn't quote mine, he copied a wall of text from a single creationist website.
She (not he) copied a quote mine. I would like to know if she has learned not to do so again.
Oh, we are in a qualifications match now? Can't kill the message? Kill the messenger. Lead by example and show yours first.
I've called her hand on quote mines several times. All she does is ignore or deny it, and then changes the subject with another Gish Galloping wall of text.
It is a dishonest tactic and something that should not be allowed in the forums, especially Christian forums.
I'll tell you. Evolutionists believe some dead lifeless elements poofed into a living factory to arrive at one beautiful living cell all alone that 'learned' to multiply. There was no reason it just happened here on earth and nowhere else so far.
That was of course until along came HGT with a large knife and cut LUCA out of the program resulting in many cells, little factories, poofing into existence all by themselves, but none ever since.
These cells poofed into all life we see today, regardless of the obvious limits to variation that are demonstrated and observed today.
It is a great story. Too bad it is ridiculous.
I wonder if some little group of mankind on some Island somewhere will morph into an aquatic creature, to escape rising sea levels. Maybe they will learn to fly.......
Split Rock said, "Biological evolution started with the first imperfect replicator. I'm not really interested in discussing first causes as far as where the universe came from. However, all you're doing is pushing first cause back to your god. Where did he come form then?"
"I couldn't care less what your Fundie Professioanl liar source, Hank Hanegraaff says in his book. Show me how biological evolution violates any laws of entropy. Tell me specifically what mechanism of evolution violates laws of entropy and why. "
"Creation scientists" are pretty much out to lunch, yes. They are the modern equivalent of the old snake oil sales men of the past. And you believe your god came from nothing."
You may as well add your mate Dawkins to the list. He is an idiot also.
Did he know with all his woffle and arrogance that Afarensis is 'too derived' to be in the human line?
I am still waiting to get his book "An ancestors tale".
me said:Anyone familiar with the book would realize that someone claiming Dawkins considers robust Australopithecines are the ancestors of gorillas or that gracile Australopithecines (guess what sport, Lucy is in the Rendezvous 0 section under the Ape Men chapter - Whoooops!) are the ancestors of chimpanzees not only is unfamiliar with him or the book, but doesn't know what the heck they're talking about.
Rick....what is your problem really. Come on....
There is nothing against the rules about posting quotes. There is no way that I can post entire books on here....that go with the quotes. I have not posted false quotes. I am trying to present a case, whether you like it or not. You might not like the text I am posting but then you have two options. One....answer them the best you can. Or two, ignore my posts. Is that a hard choice for you?
You talk about allowing things in Christian Forums.....if anything should be banned or not allowed it should be athiests and agnostics who come in just to mock and demean Christians for fun....for entertainment. Look how many people are discussing this topic. How many Christians, how many athiests?
So don't talk to me about what should not be allowed here ON THIS CHRISTIAN FORUM.
WHAT WAS THE FIRST CAUSE?
me said:Alright dancer. God was the first cause of the universe 13 billion years ago setting things in motion that led to neucleosynthesis and the earliest stars. Some of them went supernova creating heavy elements and spreading them amongst the cosmos. Some of the primordial hydrogen and heavier elements coalesced into a disk about 5 billion years ago leading to the birth of the sun and eventually the earth. About 3.5 billion years ago the first life appeared on earth and it has been evolving ever since.
Now what? You want to discuss the evolution that has occured over the last 3.5 billion years or do you want to appeal to the God of the Gaps and stick with abiogenesis and the Big Bang. If the latter, you're not arguing against science, evolution, "Darwinism" or anything else. You're merely arguing against atheism and need to stick to philiosophy and metaphysics rather than jump into the scientific debate.
And don't tell me what I can do and what i can't do.
If you do not want to address me then don't. I would like to know who here is a scientists...who has written books or has published anything regarding this topic? We have so many experts here.
What are your qualifications?
And I also was wondering if the entire solar system and everything just all of a sudden came into being...BANG.
....how did it happen that our earth got all the animal life and human life?
No evolution on other planets? No ancestral organisms in outer space...just earth?
Billions of stars and darkness out there and our planet so far is the only inhabited one? Wow that bang was organized. I want to know exactly how this happened and you scientists can I am sure provide the answers.
What was that exact mechanism of evolution?
Is evolution observable so that we can immediately see it?
Can we return billions of years in the past to observe anything?
I think what they say about evolution is true...there is no missing link....because they are MISSING.
I have not posted false quotes.
You talk about allowing things in Christian Forums.....if anything should be banned or not allowed it should be athiests and agnostics who come in just to mock and demean Christians for fun....for entertainment. Look how many people are discussing this topic. How many Christians, how many athiests?
So don't talk to me about what should not be allowed here ON THIS CHRISTIAN FORUM.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I did not mean you, I meant Astridhere, and I am speaking about misrepresenting published science in legitimate peer review journals. Deliberately taking quotes out of context and representing them to mean something the author did not intend. That is dishonest. As for ignoring anyone's posts, I will not ignore any deliberate misrepresentation from either side of the issue regardless of anyone's intentions; and when I see it I will expose and condemn it.
So Astrid's response begins...
"It is unfortunate for you that the forum members can actually read
These apes may have once been bipedal, but then lost this ability when they were forced back into an arboreal habitat, presumably by those australopithecines who eventually became us. In short, the ancestors of chimpanzees and gorillas are A. afarensis and Paranthropus, respectively.
{link to the same Wiki article I'd just shown doesn't evidence her claim repeated 4 times now}
Respectively means in order in case you do not know..ie chimps aka A.afarensis, gorillas aka Paranthropus
There is no point replying to the rest of your post because you obviously have a challenge with comprehension and reading and wishing to deceive the forum."
The irony of her Dunning-Krugerness get's all the better after this.
I call her out in giant fuscia text in the original.
"Now, as far as you making the same !$&%!! mistake you made the first time your reading comprehension failed you. And I'm going to put this in big bold font THERE IS NOT ONE CITATION FOR THAT SECTION OF THE ARTICLE. There is nothing. It's clearly some vandals opinion that hasn't been eliminated yet. And I just showed you very comprehensively how the section is LYING ABOUT WHAT DAWKINS CLAIMS IN THE ANCESTOR'S TALE.
Don't believe me? Do a Google search for "Dawkins+Paranthropus". Take the Google books result. Then do a search through the text to see if he makes the claim that section of the article is lying about and you are repeating. Go ahead. Find where Dawkins makes the claim you have asserted 4 times now he makes in The Ancestor's Tale.
If it's true you can ACTUALLY CITE THE BOOK AND NOT AN UNSOURCED SECTION OF A WIKIPEDIA ENTRY."
I even try to do her homework for her.
I'll even do the work for you so it's that much easier for you to enjoy your crow. Here's two screen caps of the only pages where Paranthropus is mentioned in The Ancestor's Tale. Show me where, it says anything about Paranthropus being a gorilla ancestor - as per the Wiki article section you posted.
And if you want to try and avoid that topic by talking about Lucy/A. afarensis, the third screen cap is Dawkins' opinion on that species. Note where he says "...she is often mentioned because her species, Australopithecus afarensis, is a hot contender for a human ancestor." No where in that entire page does he say anything about A. afarensis being a chimpanzee ancestor, and as I noted already:
And just to put a cherry on the fact that I know what I'm talking about, here's me - with Dawkins - [/u]holding my copy of The Ancestor's Tale[/u].
And here's the three screen caps from Google books.
So what was Astrid's response to this evidenc that I not only knew the content of The Ancestor's Tale (and that the Wiki entry was wrong) but had a picture, not only of myself with the book, but with the author of said book himself?
See next post.
Do you admit that your quote mine takes statements out of context and misrepresents them or not? If so, then that is deceptive. Deception is the devil's work. Do you disagree?There is nothing against the rules about posting quotes. There is no way that I can post entire books on here....that go with the quotes. I have not posted false quotes. I am trying to present a case, whether you like it or not. You might not like the text I am posting but then you have two options. One....answer them the best you can. Or two, ignore my posts. Is that a hard choice for you?
We were invited here ON THIS CHRISTIAN FORUM. If you don't like us being here, you can go to the Christians Only section.So don't talk to me about what should not be allowed here ON THIS CHRISTIAN FORUM.
Getting testy eh? I gave an explanation. And hey I am NOT A SCIENTIST. BUT WHO HERE HAS QUALIFICATIONS OR HAS BEEN PUBLISHED? I ask a simple darn question about the first cause.......and look......hostility from the reject God side. Why?
The only ones that claim something came from nothing are you guys.. or do I have to explain what "creatio ex nihilo" means??And its not out to lunch to think that something came from nothing...that all this happened from an explosion and that no one here knows what the first cause was...come on.....no life anywhere else in the solar system......only on earth.
Yea....go get your lunch
You could well be right but how come no one else in the world of science and business believes you?I will repeat again. You lot went on about mankinds knucklewalking ancestry for over 150 years. You lot had the diagrams and fossils to support this assertion. Any creationist that argued against this irrefuteable 'evidence' would have been demeaned and called an ignorant idiot.
There are many examples of single fossils falsifying 'irrefuteable evidence' that ends up in the great garbage bin of evolutionary delusions past.
NOW...who are the idiots? Evolutionists....... Case closed.
Evolutionists can present all sorts of research to back contradictory assertions. Why do evos suppose that is?
It matters not whom is right or whom is wrong in any evolutionary debate because another possibility is.....
NONE OF THEM ARE RIGHT........
Actually you have. The ones with elipses, out of context and with citations like "R. Johnson Professor of Knowledge" are false quotes. And numerous respondants have pointed out why each of the quote mines you posted are "false". You have chosen to ignore those responses and instead play the victim. Not very supportive of the "quotes" you cited.
Oh, how I love when someone who has been a member of CF since July 2011 starts lecturing people about the content here. I've been around since Dec. 2003. I've been a site supporter since shortly after that. Are you a site supporter Dancin'? Have you put your money where you mouth is in the 6 months you've been here like I have for the 8 years I have?