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Not really, she upset people because of her book and views expressed in it. Also, she never actually started a shelter for men ..... You are wrong by virtue that you claimed something which didn't actually happen. Do you see how that works?
 
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You've never heard of the NCFM?
Actually no. This is an area (the whole DV issue as relates to women being abusers as well) I'm looking to educate myself on now.

Great post...I too survived being a boy in the very worst of DV ....seriously bad stuff.

Never had to get an accountability partner, never hit women or kids , none of this. I realize they are trying to play up a statistic, that the statistic is that compared to a kid who has no DV experience the kid who has it has more likelihood. The numbers no doubt support that so as a true statement, I have no issue with it...math is math. I have an issue with why its said the way it is. This ad encourages NO ONE. It demonizes men, and condemns boys to be abusers. Period.

Funny how some respect statistics (its called a generalization.....guess what...it IS one, its a valid one folks, but this one doesn't bother anyone even though its as provocative as it gets, please you folks who pounce and go tell teacher whenever you see a generalization.....why not here?)

WWC maybe take it back down, just sayin, its not fodder for a good thread.
I'd say enough of us, me included, have a lot to learn about this topic. So I'd like to leave it up.

That said, I would really like to see us discuss this without it getting personal and snippy.

It's interesting that these MRAs take an adversarial approach to domestic violence support for women. It really just goes to show that their agenda isn't to provide dv support for men, but to destroy that which is in existence for women.
Again, I'd like to ask for a source on this. I'd love to take your word...but you know how that goes. As I said, I'm trying to educate myself and that can't be done with unsourced comments.

Same for Cons, if you have some sources for the things you mention please post them. If you have already and I've missed them, my bad.
:)

Like most things in life it only shows one side. Maybe the one believed to be most prevalent?

I am glad this thread has raised the issue that men can be victims of domestic violence and little is done about that at all. I agree in raising awareness especially so a more accurate statistic for number of victims can be attained and then help can be provided for such people.
Raising awareness is why I put this thread up. And I'm glad you appreciate it.

But the statistics do not align with the video at all.

Ever hear of Erin Pizzey? Ask her about who wants to shut down what.

She starts the first UK womens shelter....YEAH!!!!

She later starts the first mens shelter, gets death threats....FROM WOMENS GROUPS

The reference to shutting down help had nothing to do with PSA's about PPD anyway. But give me a break, that is no excuse for whatever crime is perpetrated anyway, I would expect a man claiming some similar dysfucntion to be shut down...as he should be
This is the sort of thing I'd like a source for. Not that I don't trust you. I'd just like to read about it for myself in detail.
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But the statistics do not align with the video at all.

Ever hear of Erin Pizzey? Ask her about who wants to shut down what.

She starts the first UK womens shelter....YEAH!!!!

She later starts the first mens shelter, gets death threats....FROM WOMENS GROUPS

The reference to shutting down help had nothing to do with PSA's about PPD anyway. But give me a break, that is no excuse for whatever crime is perpetrated anyway, I would expect a man claiming some similar dysfucntion to be shut down...as he should be

Hmm...not accordign to Erin Prizzey

But, as she describes in her autobiography This Way To The Revolution (p. 114) she was, as always, undeterred and:
"We opened the house, and I faced another stark reality. Whereas filling a house with women and children resulted in the women quickly forming a community and taking charge of their own lives, filling a house with men resulted in them disappearing into a room and sitting helplessly on their beds or else sulking because their was no one to run the place and take care of cooking and other practical matters.
In vain we talked to them about the set-up in Chiswick. We talked about self-help. We talked about how we would decorate the satellite houses ourselves as well as do minor repairs. We talked about their responsibility to care for one another. We met with blank silence. They were not only unwilling or incapable of caring for each other in the house but we were unable to get any male volunteers to help out."
As a result her abused men project petered out and things have not improved much in the decades since. Her observations also provide some basis for why many feminists desire to return to a matriarchy with total disregard for all the material benefits our patriarchal society has generated.

And the death threats apparrently had nothing to do with men beign abused or her attempting to open shelters..it was her asserion that MOST domestic abuse was "reciprocal" ..

However, Pizzey reports that she has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her conclusion that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are equally as capable of violence as men.

I think thats a TAD bit differnt than her LIFE beign trheatened for trying to help abused men..

anyway apparrently out of her own mouth the reason her shelters for men 'petered out" was about the men themsleves seeking the help..the OPPOSITE of "feminist" demonizing her and threatening her over it..In fact her opinion of the men seekign the help is not very sympathetic ...in a nutshell they werent willing to help themselves..

Dallas
 
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One says Im wrong on a technical, and another who'd likely never heard of Prizzy went Wikipedia on me

You win ladies, you are right I am wrong.....

WWC, Google Prizzey and dont just read Wikipedia please.....let you find out for yourself

One quote directly from Pizzey (who I assume is a good source on Pizzey"

Pizzey described this harassment in an article she published in the Scotsman in 1999.

"Because of my opposition to the hijacking of the refuge movement, I was a target for abuse. Anywhere I spoke there was a contingent of screaming, heckling feminists waiting for me," Pizzey wrote. "Abusive telephone calls to my home, death threats and bomb scares, became a way of living for me and for my family. Finally, the bomb squad, asked me to have all my mail delivered to their head quarters."

One night, the family dog was killed.



It is from the bolded portion that I take my point that i made earlier. Its not incorrect
 
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It's just a confusion inducing tactic of "raising sand". If you create enough confusion and stir up enough dirt pretty soon nobody will see the point in continuing the discussion. Sophistry, misdirection, point dodging, belligerence, obfuscation and outright lies when nothing else is serving are the trademark tactics of Satan. Why should anyone be shocked that His policy plan for mankind is protected by those same tactics?

He used finger pointing between the genders early on and it worked, why give up a good technique?
 
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One says Im wrong on a technical, and another who'd likely never heard of Prizzy went Wikipedia on me

You win ladies, you are right I am wrong.....

WWC, Google Prizzey and dont just read Wikipedia please.....let you find out for yourself

One quote directly from Pizzey (who I assume is a good source on Pizzey"

Pizzey described this harassment in an article she published in the Scotsman in 1999.

"Because of my opposition to the hijacking of the refuge movement, I was a target for abuse. Anywhere I spoke there was a contingent of screaming, heckling feminists waiting for me," Pizzey wrote. "Abusive telephone calls to my home, death threats and bomb scares, became a way of living for me and for my family. Finally, the bomb squad, asked me to have all my mail delivered to their head quarters."

One night, the family dog was killed.



It is from the bolded portion that I take my point that i made earlier. Its not incorrect

Yes, after she returned to the UK from foreign parts, penniless with huge amounts of debt, she thrust herself in to the TV spotlight again with her story of being chased out of England by murderous feminists.

Dallas, do you have her book and if so do you know when she set up the men's shelter?
 
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It's just a confusion inducing tactic of "raising sand". If you create enough confusion and stir up enough dirt pretty soon nobody will see the point in continuing the discussion. Sophistry, misdirection, point dodging, belligerence, obfuscation and outright lies when nothing else is serving are the trademark tactics of Satan. Why should anyone be shocked that His policy plan for mankind is protected by those same tactics?

He used finger pointing between the genders early on and it worked, why give up a good technique?

Yet we all can rise high above that and have an educated, mutually respectful discussion IF we all act like adults.

So, how about we do that? This can be a great conversation starter for those who have little to no experience with abuse to learn... and those working through it to make themselves better and assist people.

...or it could go down the toilet . . .
 
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This wasnt posted as a conversation starter for victims or awareness raising for non victims though. I realize those topics afford experiences of empathy which is highly desirable, like porn in its allure. But this discussion is more bone dry, bias, facts, figures etc.
For the awareness....no.....empathy generating take on it maybe start a thread for that.

(I have my license to say these things so don't try the "easy for you to say buster" thing on me)
 
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I wasn't even going to go there.

However, we now have "rubber-neckers" who have posted and said they are interested on the statistics and hard facts as well as the awareness. We also have people giving reps left and right who haven't posted.

The question is now, what are we doing with that information?

Are we going to

a) have another knock-down-drag-out fight here

or

b) civil conversation?
 
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Again, I'd like to ask for a source on this. I'd love to take your word...but you know how that goes. As I said, I'm trying to educate myself and that can't be done with unsourced comments.


I was commenting on the article linked to by mkgal. The author is very adversarial in his attitude to dv support.
 
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I think that I Art Laughing is right. The Bible says that we like sheep have gone astray. That is true. When you see posts by feminists saying "why don't men do their own thing" they miss the point entirely. What men are concerned about is that there is a lack of desire to seek any common ground of humanity. And some of the feminists here have said that they don't want to. In fact the feminist agenda is about gynocentrism, plain and simple. When they say "why don't men do their own thing" they don't seem to realize that they are creating greater division. It sends a strong message of "you look after yours, we'll look after ours."

So what if we did? Frankly the message of feminism is so utterly hostile towards men that it reeks of it in this thread. Adult men are depicted as being 25% monsters. The possibility of it being a woman is not even represented. Imagine if all potential criminals were depicted as Blacks or Jews--would that be fair? No. So why is it fair in this case?
 
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I wasn't even going to go there.

However, we now have "rubber-neckers" who have posted and said they are interested on the statistics and hard facts as well as the awareness. We also have people giving reps left and right who haven't posted.

The question is now, what are we doing with that information?

Are we going to

a) have another knock-down-drag-out fight here

or

b) civil conversation?
:)

I was commenting on the article linked to by mkgal. The author is very adversarial in his attitude to dv support.
If that's the article I'm thinking of, yes. It was adversarial in tone. I was meaning to mention that earlier. It's not helpful to write about a subject like this in an adversarial/inflammatory tone. It drives away the very people you would seek to help, or in my case, educate.

I can safely say that so far over the last few months, I've had to slog thru quite a bit of writing/commentary like that to find out some facts. As a person who has been abused growing up and in a relationship, I do understand how emotionally charged this subject it. Make no mistake about that.

I can also say that until you learn to govern your emotions when you discuss things of this nature, you risk actually harming your point of view. Think about it. If your writing itself sounds abusive, who will listen to you?
 
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who has shown a genuine interest in statistics?

I will gladly PM them.

But to try and put anything factual here, to have the source discredited (Prizzey penniless....whats that got to do w/ it/the video was posted to youtube by some dude with an offensive screenname...who cares), besmirched("we both know we where those numbers lead to), the facts cherry picked, etc.

Its not a good place to share anything NEW. If I want to parrot the party line I'd get my "like" button pressed.

Besides, who in the world, honestly , who needs "awareness raising" about pretty much anything? If you are here, online, on a forum.....you dont need an awareness raising experience. You have a computer and can read, and likely do read. Awareness raising is like those radio spots from the Ad Council.....where the gubmit spends gazillions to tell people to get in shade and drink water on hot days
 
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who has shown a genuine interest in statistics?

I will gladly PM them.

But to try and put anything factual here, to have the source discredited (Prizzey penniless....whats that got to do w/ it/the video was posted to youtube by some dude with an offensive screenname...who cares), besmirched("we both know we where those numbers lead to), the facts cherry picked, etc.

Its not a good place to share anything NEW. If I want to parrot the party line I'd get my "like" button pressed.

Besides, who in the world, honestly , who needs "awareness raising" about pretty much anything? If you are here, online, on a forum.....you dont need an awareness raising experience. You have a computer and can read, and likely do read. Awareness raising is like those radio spots from the Ad Council.....where the gubmit spends gazillions to tell people to get in shade and drink water on hot days
Just speaking for myself, I can say you're about 85% off base here.

I read quite a bit. About computers, gaming, religion, politics, etc. Some things do slip thru the cracks and those things I like to acknowledge and fill in when I realize my knowledge is lacking.

Telling us we don't need awareness on this subject in particular to me sounds unreal quite frankly. Isn't that the whole point?

I am genuinely interested. And I'd like to read what you have right here and without snark or snip. Not in a PM. I'd like to not only read, but also to discuss, ask questions and maybe share my own relevant experiences with the community. That's what we do here on *discussion* boards.
:)

I must ask, if you are not here to discuss then what exactly are you here for? I'm not looking for you to answer me on that, although you are welcome to. It's a question you should really ask yourself.
 
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IPV is perpetrated approximately 50/50, and initiated more by women.

Thats a stat

Shhhhhhhh! Menz is supposed to takes their beating in silence to make up for ALL of the ebil they perpetrated for centuries. You say that you aren't centuries old? Well you as a Christian man have been "privileged" by the fact that your mothers and grandmothers were downtrodden. Above all else, men have come to be the sole beneficiaries of the curse (what the heck is up with the "sweat of the brow" nonsense anyway) and should now give way to feminist "affirmative action". Also, you are neither fit, worthy or even the point of God's redemptive work. Menz clearly should all go to hell now that we have a modern understanding of the ebils they have perpetrated throughout history, it only fair. Social justice you know.

Besides that, if we speak up our manhood will be questioned.

It says all that right in Hezekiah 15:31, haven't you all read the Bible??
 
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Source please. If anyone is going to post stats or facts, they really should be posted with a link.

RADAR: Home Page

read the site

Its just one of many....and before the silliness starts, yes its done by men, why wouldn't it be. It links to tons of research. I wont engage the nays, just read it yourself
 
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Source please. If anyone is going to post stats or facts, they really should be posted with a link.


I see you pounced on the post that rebutted me......er, wait.....no.....you didnt. That would be unacceptable.

her claim is as statistical as mine, yes? Should you not demand a link?

Just showing how ingrained men are to not challenge what women say....
 
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