Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

[Loudmouth]

If you find wheels with 5 holes that have Goodyears then it simply means that 5 holes evolved from a Goodyears with four holes, completely in line with the nested hierarchy. We already discussed this.

That means Goodyears were an ancestral characteristic and will be found on all wheels with 4 or 5 holes. Is this true?

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

There is a recent paper by Axe and company. The problem is that it never tests ID, nor does it really test evolution. PZ does a good job of explaining the problems here:

How not to examine the evolution of proteins : Pharyngula

How to examine the evolution of proteins : Pharyngula

Yep, I read those few days ago. Great explanation by PZ.

 

[Greg1234]

But that's not what we find. Under my hypothetical rules, 18" and a chrome cap means five nut-holes will also be found on that wheel, without exception. Just like in nature, where having hair/fur and mammary glands means the animal will have three middle-ear bones.

Under the definition of fish, these are gill bearing aquatic vertebrates. Then you have lung-fish. Finding organisms with hair and four middle ear bones would be called -four-midear mammals. So either way works.

In human-designed tires, we don't find such a rule, because they were designed. And designers are not constrained by a nested hierarchy. Evolution is.

If we wanted we could call it a four-chrome cap.

We could also emulate the cessation of creation by choosing no vehicles after...say... umm....1950. This means we have a group of cars with certain 1950s and back technology and no 2011 technology (no exceptions), completely in line with the nested hiearchy.

Or it evolved from from a five holed, completely in line with the nested hierarchy.

 

[Greg1234]

That means Goodyears were an ancestral characteristic and will be found on all wheels with 4 or 5 holes. Is this true?

Only if it's there. If it's not then it evolved, completely in line with the nested hierarchy.

 

[Loudmouth]

Only if it's there. If it's not then it evolved, completely in line with the nested hierarchy.

Then show us how this works in the nested hierarchy. What did Goodyears, an ancestral characteristic, evolve into, and in which lineage did it evolve?

 

[Skaloop]

Under the definition of fish, these are gill bearing aquatic vertebrates. Then you have lung-fish. Finding organisms with hair and four middle ear bones would be called -four-midear mammals. So either way works.



If we wanted we could call it a four-chrome cap.

We could also emulate the cessation of creation by choosing no vehicles after...say... umm....1950. This means we have a group of cars with certain 1950s and back technology and no 2011 technology (no exceptions), completely in line with the nested hiearchy.

Or it evolved from from a five holed, completely in line with the nested hierarchy.

Thank you for confirming that man-made and man-designed vehicle wheels cannot be arranged into a nested hierarchy. That was my whole point in response to Doveaman's claim that said wheels represent a nested hierarchy.

 

[Loudmouth]

Under the definition of fish, these are gill bearing aquatic vertebrates. Then you have lung-fish. Finding organisms with hair and four middle ear bones would be called -four-midear mammals. So either way works.

Actually, 4 ear bones would be a feature not found in any life. If 4 middle ear bones did evolve in the mammalian line then we should not find this same adaptation in any other lineage.

What we should NOT find is the same mammalian middle ear structure that evolved in the mammalian lineage in any other lineage, and we don't. This is not so for human designs where design units can be swapped with other design units indiscriminately. You can find a Porshe engine in a Subaru, the same wheels on a Ferrari or Dodge, and the same stereo in a Ford and Kia. Human designs do not fall into a nested hierarchy because there is no reason that they should.

We could also emulate the cessation of creation by choosing no vehicles after...say... umm....1950. This means we have a group of cars with certain 1950s and back technology and no 2011 technology (no exceptions), completely in line with the nested hiearchy.

So we could not find the same tires on a Ford and Chrysler, but different tires on two Fords?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That means Goodyears were an ancestral characteristic and will be found on all wheels with 4 or 5 holes. Is this true?

In Australia they probably would say G'new year.....
But then, the down-under lingo can be hard to understand and has me confused at times

NIV) Luke 13:19 "Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'"

Dazed And Confused-Led Zeppelin - YouTube

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes, that hits the nail .........on the head ROFLOL

That gives me an idea for my halloween mask

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

NKJV) Judges 4:21 Then Jael, Heber's wife, took a tent peg and took a hammer in her hand, and went softly to him and drove the peg into his temple,
and it went down into the ground; for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

 

[Loudmouth]

That gives me an idea for my halloween mask

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

NKJV) Judges 4:21 Then Jael, Heber's wife, took a tent peg and took a hammer in her hand, and went softly to him and drove the peg into his temple,
and it went down into the ground; for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

 

[cupid dave]

my theory on the subject is there is no evolution only crossbreeding of different species and my two examples below is proof.

breed an ass with a horse and you get a mule

breed a scientist with an evolutionist and you get a smart donkey

Hahaaaaa.
Funny.

But Genesis DOES mention a cross breeding between two different Kinds of humans, which is ALSO mentioned by the Paleontologists:


Gen. 6:1 And it came to pass, when men, (hominoids), began, (during the sixth “day,” the Cenozoic Era of Geological Time), to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Gen. 6:2 That (the hominoid line of man’s ascent), the sons of God, (the Methusaelian Homo erectus who were to lead to the completed "Adam's" genetic progeny), saw the daughters of (other humanoid) men, (Lamechian Homo antecessors), that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6: Sons of God

 

[SonOfTheWest]

Hahaaaaa.
Funny.

But Genesis DOES mention a cross breeding between two different Kinds of humans, which is ALSO mentioned by the Paleontologists:


Gen. 6:1 And it came to pass, when men, (hominoids), began, (during the sixth “day,” the Cenozoic Era of Geological Time), to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Gen. 6:2 That (the hominoid line of man’s ascent), the sons of God, (the Methusaelian Homo erectus who were to lead to the completed "Adam's" genetic progeny), saw the daughters of (other humanoid) men, (Lamechian Homo antecessors), that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6: Sons of God

To call that a stretch would be an insult to all things stretchy.

 

[cupid dave]

To call that a stretch would be an insult to all things stretchy.

Hmmm....

Recent science confirms that we all have Neanderthal genes.
In fact, the paleontologists say that hybrids between us and other species of men took place.


Check out the whole argument:

The text of Genesis 5 compared to the present paleonotology.

 

[SonOfTheWest]

Hmmm....

Recent science confirms that we all have Neanderthal genes.
In fact, the paleontologists say that hybrids between us and other species of men took place.


Check out the whole argument:

The text of Genesis 5 compared to the present paleonotology.

In some creation beliefs, the world was masturbated into existence. Obviously this is an allegory to the necessity of water for carbon based life. Ergo belief systems that say the world was masturbated into existence are scientifically accurate.

 

[sk8Joyful]

That gives me an idea for my halloween mask

Um, IF you are actually gonna do that as least!! write on
your T-shirt: What to do to Evolutionary Theory

otherwise, it would only be wasteful !

 

[Jazer]

Because you're just grouping them, not placing them into any kind of hierarchy.

I worked in a Junk Yard once. We had to learn the rims based on the company that made them. So we grouped Ford Rims together. That made it a lot easier to find when someone was looking for a Rim for their Ford. Then we would divide them in that group according to their size. At the time they were mostly 14 & 15 inches in size.

 

[Skaloop]

I worked in a Junk Yard once. We had to learn the rims based on the company that made them. So we grouped Ford Rims together. That made it a lot easier to find when someone was looking for a Rim for their Ford. Then we would divide them in that group according to their size. At the time they were mostly 14 & 15 inches in size.

Good for you. Still not a nested hierarchy. That's just sorting. What you did was not grouping things into a nested hierarchy. Most specifically because you used the word "mostly". A nested hierarchy would mean all, not mostly, and always, not at the time. Seriously, learn what a nested hierarchy is before you start suggesting that things that aren't nested hierarchies are nested hierarchies.

 

[mpok1519]

I accept your fact, but I reject your theory.

you reject the fact that the theory exists? You reject the fact that we seek to discover why and how gene allele shift frequencies and variations exist?

okay. how? If you accept that it exists, why and how do you reject why and how we seek to explain it?

I reject that you know alot about genetics.

 

[cupid dave]

In some creation beliefs, the world was masturbated into existence. Obviously this is an allegory to the necessity of water for carbon based life. Ergo belief systems that say the world was masturbated into existence are scientifically accurate.

Yes that is all true.

However the only creation story reaching us from 3362 years ago that still conforms with the facts we now know is Genesis.

Literally, the Big Bang was the beginning of all that has followed.
And there were seven "days" or durations of Geological Time since then, too.

And light did not appear initially with the Big Bang, but there was a long Dark Cosmic Age before the stars formed and atoms appeared.

The argument for this is detailed and supported by academics
Genesis 1: The Theistic Evolutionary Creation

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes that is all true.

However the only creation story reaching us from 3362 years ago that still conforms with the facts we now know is Genesis.

What you mean to say is that you wait until science discovers the facts, and then you reinterpret the Bible to conform to those facts.