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Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

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Lion Hearted Man

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my theory on the subject is there is no evolution only crossbreeding of different species and my two examples below is proof.

breed an ass with a horse and you get a mule

breed a scientist with an evolutionist and you get a smart donkey:D

I'm shaking in my boots. I wish you were on my side of the argument!!!
 
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My theory is that you know about as much as an average cdesign proponentsist.
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Wat dat? :confused:

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"Every wheel with five spokes has four nut-holes. No wheels with four nut holes have four spokes. If a wheel has an 18" diameter and a chrome cap, it will also have five nut-holes. [And if you find an 18" diameter with four nut-holes it is completely in line with the nested hierarchy since four evolved from five exactly as the nested hierarchy proceeds.]" :wave:

If 18" is a synapomorphy then all wheels with 4 or 5 nut holes should be 18". Also, if some 4 hole wheels have Goodyears but not all then you should not find any wheels with 5 holes that have Goodyears. How well do you think that holds true?

Human designs do not fall into a nested hierarchy. They never have. There is no reason that they should. There is nothing forcing any human designer to fit their design into a nested hierarchy. I would think that your proposed creator would have as much, if not more, flexibility than a human designer, no?
 
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my theory on the subject is there is no evolution only crossbreeding of different species and my two examples below is proof.

breed an ass with a horse and you get a mule

breed a scientist with an evolutionist and you get a smart donkey:D


Yes, that hits the nail ........................................... on the head ROFLOL

breed a creationist with a donkey and you get a dumb mule :D

HAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHA!!

ZING!

Yes, that hits the nail ........................................... on the head [/COLOR] ROFLOL
 
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While you are Right :thumbsup: of course, Unfortunately that will not deter them.

why?

They just keep rehashing the same ole, same ole: "Nu-uh,
WE use the "scientific METHOD"; while at the same time,
failing to admit that their worshipped "method" is obviously LIMITED ;)
Or else,
they would not need, as you correctly mentioned, to be continuously dis-proven, or better yet proven wrong, entirely. :thumbsup:

The Lady doth protest too much.

I have always found this type of projection to be very educational. It really gives you a window into the creationist mindset. They loathe their own religious beliefs so much that they actually use them as mud to sling at others. Amazing.
 
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Wat dat? :confused:

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It represents the fact that creationists lied in court, claiming that ID was wholly different from creationism, in that it could be any higher intelligence, not just the god of the OT, when in reality, ID was nothing more than "creationism in a cheap tuxedo."
 
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They do science. They are scientists.......it's... a.... scientific community. :)

Then please cite peer reviewed papers where ID is used to design and test ID hypotheses. Mind you, I am not asking for papers where evolution is tested. I am talking about ID. What experiments have they run to test for ID mechanisms?
 
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Then please cite peer reviewed papers where ID is used to design and test ID hypotheses. Mind you, I am not asking for papers where evolution is tested. I am talking about ID. What experiments have they run to test for ID mechanisms?
The only "research" they do over at the "Discovery Institute," is simply retrofit legitimate journal articles to conform to their religious myths.
 
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"Every wheel with five spokes has four nut-holes. No wheels with four nut holes have four spokes. If a wheel has an 18" diameter and a chrome cap, it will also have five nut-holes. [And if you find an 18" diameter with four nut-holes it is completely in line with the nested hierarchy since four evolved from five exactly as the nested hierarchy proceeds.]" :wave:

Under the short explanation I gave, there is nothing stopping an 18" wheel from having four nut-holes. But if it does, it won't have a chrome cap.
 
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Why would you do that?
What functional reason is there for designing wheels so that they fall into a nested hierarchy?
I know there is nothing more backbreaking than changing a flat tire.
Curiously, the Hebrew book of Ezekiel mentions "wheels" and that is more mind-breaking than back-breaking :sorry:
Which reminds me of the movie of the changing of a tire in "Christmas Story"

NKJV) Ezekiel 1:15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel [was] on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings [was] like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings [was,] as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went.
18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims [were] full of eyes, all around the four of them.
19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, [because] there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures [was] in the wheels.

A Christmas Story: Tounge Stuck to a Flag Pole - YouTube
 
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I know there is nothing more backbreaking than changing a flat tire.
Curiously, the Hebrew book of Ezekiel mentions "wheels" and that is more mind-breaking than back breaking :sorry:
Which reminds me of the movie of the changing of a tire in "Christmas Story"

NKJV) Ezekiel 1:15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel [was] on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces.
16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings [was] like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings [was,] as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went.
18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims [were] full of eyes, all around the four of them.
19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, [because] there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures [was] in the wheels.

A Christmas Story: Tounge Stuck to a Flag Pole - YouTube

Was this meant to answer my question, or just an aside?
 
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I know there is nothing more backbreaking than changing a flat tire.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XlPwsmkPHI

Really? Nothing? Not working on a chain gang, not bailing hay, not moving furniture all day when moving?

I had to change a flat a couple of months ago; took me 15 minutes. I broke a bit of a sweat because it was warm out and I was in a hurry. But hardly backbreaking.
 
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Really? Nothing? Not working on a chain gang, not bailing hay, not moving furniture all day when moving?

I had to change a flat a couple of months ago; took me 15 minutes. I broke a bit of a sweat because it was warm out and I was in a hurry. But hardly backbreaking.
Wait till ya hit 61 yrs old with a bad back and the temp is 107 degrees outside and yer trunk is packed with traveling gear :p

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Under the short explanation I gave, there is nothing stopping an 18" wheel from having four nut-holes. But if it does, it won't have a chrome cap.

If it has a chrome cap then it simply means that four nut holes evolved from one with a chrome cap, completely in line with the nested hierarchy. :wave:
 
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If 18" is a synapomorphy then all wheels with 4 or 5 nut holes should be 18". Also, if some 4 hole wheels have Goodyears but not all then you should not find any wheels with 5 holes that have Goodyears. How well do you think that holds true?

If you find wheels with 5 holes that have Goodyears then it simply means that 5 holes evolved from a Goodyears with four holes, completely in line with the nested hierarchy. We already discussed this. :wave:
 
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If it has a chrome cap then it simply means that four nut holes evolved from one with a chrome cap, completely in line with the nested hierarchy. :wave:

But that's not what we find. Under my hypothetical rules, 18" and a chrome cap means five nut-holes will also be found on that wheel, without exception. Just like in nature, where having hair/fur and mammary glands means the animal will have three middle-ear bones.

In human-designed tires, we don't find such a rule, because they were designed. And designers are not constrained by a nested hierarchy. Evolution is.
 
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