Check your hatred at the door before posting here.........

[Shulamite]

Thank you, bro. I'm glad someone is listening....

Listening (and reading too)

Agreed with all you wrote! Thanks, brother.

 

[nobdysfool]

Listening (and reading too)

Agreed with all you wrote! Thanks, brother.

Thank you, sister. Posts such as those you have posted lately are a great encouragement to me, and others. As you can see there are some here who give a whole new depth to the meaning of "petulant". That's OK, we were all children once. I appreciate your heart, and your words. Please continue to share...

 

[Shulamite]

Thank you, sister. Posts such as those you have posted lately are a great encouragement to me, and others. As you can see there are some here who give a whole new depth to the meaning of "petulant". That's OK, we were all children once. I appreciate your heart, and your words. Please continue to share...

Good morning

Ok, thank you. I will continue to share. I am encouraged when I read your posts as well. The Lord has used your posts (which are His words He has taught you) to further confirm all that He has led me to see as well.

Yes, we were all once children and not able to eat solid food. Sometimes I feel if a brother or sister does not see something or perceive it yet, it's because perhaps they are still on "milk" and if we give a child solid food, they are not ready to receive it. Just my thoughts.

We'll continue to share and pray that the Lord will give us humility in the way we respond. I admit I've struggled with that GREATLY (both in person with people and online!) I feel passionately about what He shows me and feel I have to get it across! LOL I guess that's what we would commonly say is: "His word burns in me like a fire?" hmmm.... yep, I think that's what I am dealing with..! Can't keep it in!

Thanks again for the encouragement!

 

[ConsumedByHisCall]

Being a Calvinist does NOT equate to hatred and one MUST be aware of false charges. Cuts both ways...

I agree. And I know many very kind, gentle and loving Reformed brethren. However, their "tends" to be bit "harsher" or more "blunt" approach from some Calvinistic believers. I say this a one who "tends" to do the same, not as one pointing fingers at others. I think this warning from John Piper is appropriate:

"I love the doctrines of grace with all my heart, and I think they are pride-shattering, humbling, and love-producing doctrines. But I think there is an attractiveness about them to some people, in large matter, because of their intellectual rigor. They are powerfully coherent doctrines, and certain kinds of minds are drawn to that. And those kinds of minds tend to be argumentative.

So the intellectual appeal of the system of Calvinism draws a certain kind of intellectual person, and that type of person doesn't tend to be the most warm, fuzzy, and tender. Therefore this type of person has a greater danger of being hostile, gruff, abrupt, insensitive or intellectualistic.

I'll just confess that. It's a sad and terrible thing that that's the case. Some of this type aren't even Christians, I think. You can embrace a system of theology and not even be born again."

- John Piper

 

[Shulamite]

FWIW - I work in the same corporation as Pinky. I am not a Calvinist whether confused or any other variant. We do not agree one bit on theology. The points were about how 'hatred' comes over and how it works both ways as stated.

Incidentally we builds satellites for earth observation. Covering the whole earth surface once per day. Look up and smile, you may be recorded.

Sounds like an interesting NWO line of work......
Surveillance of us all is the globalists' plan.....

(all in good fun, of course, no offense intended )

 

[nobdysfool]

Sounds like an interesting NWO line of work......
Surveillance of us all is the globalists' plan.....

(all in good fun, of course, no offense intended )

Well, it's clear that the NWO types don't believe that we poor schlubs are capable of living our lives without their oh-so-benevolent oversight and regulation.....we're too stupid to handle freedom.

Statists are a scourge on mankind.....

 

[Shulamite]

Just for info what is NWO. No I won't be offended.

Don't reckon you 'schlubs' are capable without 'statist scourge' technology.

No internet for a start.

NWO stands for "New World Order" (Or you can see it in latin on the back of your $1.00 bill, ' Novus Ordo Seclorum' under the All-seeing-eye of the pyramid....) New World Order has become quite a household name over the past 20 years, including with many presidents.... the agenda is very interesting and technology is their "supposed gift" to people, while using it all along to bring about thier globalist agenda..... just the info you asked for.....

 

[brinny]

I'm not a Calvinist, but i hugs 'em

Actually my beliefs are very similar

 

[Shulamite]

Thanks for the info.

I am gobsmacked though. I thought you Calvinists held to God's unchangeable will. Surprised you even mention NWO. As if masons could threaten you elite.

Wow, well I wasn't expecting this conversation to turn into a "Calvinism and the NWO"...discussion, but since you have taken it there, I'll give a quick response and play the game...

The NWO, orchestrated by the Illuminati/Mason elite are led by satan. Satan is a defeated enemy, which we both can agree on. Satan and his agenda on this planet are allowed by the Lord, (and foreknown) to accomplish His own will. God knew satan would do this and He is using it and allowing it for His own plan. Nothing is outside the will of God.

As far as the NWO bothering me or making me squirm... no way. God is sovereign and these people do not even know they are merely being used by God to accomplish His own sovereign plan, just like God hardens some (like pharao in Egypt) to accomplish His own plans, He is doing with this world system.

No worries. Not only do I know Who is in control, but I know how it ends and Jesus is the Victor. So, they don't worry me or my stance on calvinism.

 

[nobdysfool]

Are Arminians statist ?

Did I say they were? Show us the quote where I said so.....

Alternate answer: I don't know. Are they?

Alternate alternate answer: Do you know what a Statist is?

 

[nobdysfool]

Thanks for the info.

I am gobsmacked though. I thought you Calvinists held to God's unchangeable will. Surprised you even mention NWO. As if masons could threaten you elite.

We are aware of things going on in the world. I wonder why you are surprised. Apparently there is some confusion about what Calvinists actually do believe, and our level of awareness of things outside of Calvinist doctrine.

And I take exception to implying that Calvinists view themselves as "elite". That is an out-and-out falsehood.

 

[nobdysfool]

Besides who has freedom ? Thought you guys had 'Bondage of the will'

Come on, I am talking about the freedom we have in this country as Americans (or at least, what we are supposed to have....) It look to me as though someone is fishing....

 

[Tzaousios]

Are Arminians statist ?

Do you bear any relation to GloryofGod or Pinkman by chance?

 

[Shulamite]

We are aware of things going on in the world. I wonder why you are surprised. Apparently there is some confusion about what Calvinists actually do believe, and our level of awareness of things outside of Calvinist doctrine.

And I take exception to implying that Calvinists view themselves as "elite". That is an out-and-out falsehood.

Amen brother. I don't remember ever saying that "calvinists are elite"... that would be prideful. We feel humbled to the dust that the Lord would call us His own. There is a fear of God in that. Knowing we didn't have the power to choose Him and that He could have passed us by is enough to make you humble and fall in fear before Him.

The Lord has chosen to make known to His own what is going on in the world and what satan is up to. He tells us to be as "shrewd as serpents but as innocent as doves"... We are not to be "ignorant of the devil's devices.." but expose his deeds (Ephesians 5:11).

 

[Pinkman]

Originally Posted by nobdysfool
We are aware of things going on in the world. I wonder why you are surprised. Apparently there is some confusion about what Calvinists actually do believe, and our level of awareness of things outside of Calvinist doctrine.


Which was the intention of the Understanding Calvinism thread. I believe it was young Skala who went nuclear flooding many other threads.

Heymikey is no doubt a clever person. Very hard to follow, very academic - not that that is wrong. Consumedbyhiscall responses have been stunningly good. Good enough to be collected together straight from this forum and published worldwide. Then people can compare scripture and Calvinist responses side by side and choose as led by the spirit.

I say Calvinist responses but that is a little unfair. One or two calvinists ideas maybe.

 

[nobdysfool]

Originally Posted by nobdysfool
We are aware of things going on in the world. I wonder why you are surprised. Apparently there is some confusion about what Calvinists actually do believe, and our level of awareness of things outside of Calvinist doctrine.


Which was the intention of the Understanding Calvinism thread. I believe it was young Skala who went nuclear flooding many other threads.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And, the post of mine that you quoted was not directed at you, unless you are also the other poster. It was in answer to a specific statement.

Heymikey is no doubt a clever person. Very hard to follow, very academic - not that that is wrong. Consumedbyhiscall responses have been stunningly good. Good enough to be collected together straight from this forum and published worldwide. Then people can compare scripture and Calvinist responses side by side and choose as led by the spirit.

I say Calvinist responses but that is a little unfair. One or two calvinists ideas maybe.

I wouldn't say that CBHC's posts rise to the level of Scripture, which is what you seem to be implying. He is more articulate than most, but that alone does not make him free from error. Perhaps it would be good to not spend time critiquing other posters by name, and stop derailing this thread.

Pro 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

 

[Pinkman]

Pro 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

Methinks I remember Cindy saying that. Ill go check

 

[nobdysfool]

I wonder who has actually read this sticky thread?

There is simply no good excuse for bashing a group of Christians, no matter what their theology. Disagreements can be dealt with, without resorting to character attacks, accusations of "another gospel", and accusations of being a part of "babylon". accusations of being false Christians, etc. We are all supposed to be Christians here, and as brethren, we are to love one another, show respect even when we disagree, and entreat each other in love, and exhort and encourage each other to Christ-like behavior, and attitudes. That is not done with insults, answers in anger, and trying to marginalize those with whom disagreements exist.

C'mon, people, no one here is perfect, no one here has all the truth, no one here is authorized to "set everyone else straight", or to verbally chastise anyone else, for supposed doctrinal error. We should all feel free to express what we believe, and respect those who may disagree. Doctrinal agreement is not mandatory here, nor can it be mandated. Those who think it can, are sadly mistaken.

 

[Pinkman]

I wonder who has actually read this sticky thread?

There is simply no good excuse for bashing a group of Christians, no matter what their theology. Disagreements can be dealt with, without resorting to character attacks, accusations of "another gospel", and accusations of being a part of "babylon". accusations of being false Christians, etc. We are all supposed to be Christians here, and as brethren, we are to love one another, show respect even when we disagree, and entreat each other in love, and exhort and encourage each other to Christ-like behavior, and attitudes. That is not done with insults, answers in anger, and trying to marginalize those with whom disagreements exist.

C'mon, people, no one here is perfect, no one here has all the truth, no one here is authorized to "set everyone else straight", or to verbally chastise anyone else, for supposed doctrinal error. We should all feel free to express what we believe, and respect those who may disagree. Doctrinal agreement is not mandatory here, nor can it be mandated. Those who think it can, are sadly mistaken.

Amen to that.

A thought -

"Disagreements can be dealt with" and "no one here has all the truth"

I doubt the first but go along with the second.
Maybe start a thread to try and reconcile the differences. Not just another Cal/Arm bun fight but expose the root difference and see where that goes.

Maybe deep deep down there is something worth finding.

What do you think ?

 

[nobdysfool]

Amen to that.

A thought -

"Disagreements can be dealt with" and "no one here has all the truth"

I doubt the first but go along with the second.
Maybe start a thread to try and reconcile the differences. Not just another Cal/Arm bun fight but expose the root difference and see where that goes.

Maybe deep deep down there is something worth finding.

What do you think ?

It's already been tried. But feel free to reinvent the wheel, if you wish. Taking potshots at, and shooting spitballs at Calvinists, just for being Calvinists, is a waste of time. Not one Calvinist has ever abandoned his beliefs under that kind of assault, and it only serves to highlight the immaturity of those who can't seem to countenance the existence of Calvinists in this forum. No matter how right a person may think his theology is, it doesn't give him the right to create disruption, and cause trouble, trying to make the Calvinist's experience here so miserable that they leave in frustration. Besides, that is specifically against the rules of this forum.

I can tell you in a nutshell what I see as the root difference: the idea of free will. Not only is there no agreed-upon definition for the concept, it is like trying to pick up a blob of mercury, or catch a greased pig. The definition keeps changing in the debate. And I don't expect that to change.

Bottom line, Calvinists are here, and will continue to be here. Those with a problem with that need to grow up, and get over it, and start acting like Christians. Causing strife, anger, malice and engaging in subterfuge, baiting, goading, repeating falsehoods, and the like can in no way be justified from Scripture, and Scripture specifically speaks against such actions. We are to be kind, gentle, easily entreated, preferring one another, manifesting the fruits of the Spirit, and living at peace with one another.

Anyone have an issue with that?