My interpretation actually avoids the problem of the terminology and goes right for the heart of things, which is what is submit to one another in love, the whole direction of Eph 4 and 5.
The key to it all is understanding how Christ loved the church according to his words and actions, understanding how the church responded to Christ at its best, and putting the two together. if you see it that way it is astonishingly freeing. We don't need to worry per se about which translation it is because Jesus' actions are clear.
What is Jesus' underlying purpose as a leader? It is ultimately to unite us with God. To see God through him. It is not to treat people as servants but rather to have them understand that we are joint heirs with him.
What is the purpose of the church? To respond to that. To actually live by faith.
So essentially what Paul is really saying is that in marriage we should be good friends to one another, love one another, be honest with one another, be generous towards one another.
You come across as a very reasonable, genuine and caring person
Judy, as you may notice, there are as many opinions about submission as there are noses on faces. This subject has caused quite a lot of uproar on this forum.
I have never liked the 'idea' of submission. It seemed to me that it made women lesser than men, because it suggested that the wife was not as capable as the husband, but I believe that God speaks to men and women equally, and does not give anyone special grace to 'know best' in any given situation. So, from debating this to and fro, my thinking on submission now is that I will take the Bible as a WHOLE when it comes to marriage, because, I don't believe that one line of scripture is the whole basis of marriage and that, without it, the marriage will fail or will not be the 'right' marriage or even - outrageously - that the husband or wife is sinful if they do not follow this one scripture.
We are commanded to love, and we are told what love is ("love is kind, love is patient ..") and we are told to submit to each other, and we are told that we are equal before God. That's what I take from it. We are equal in His eyes, equally loved, and totally responsible for our personal sins. That's fine with me, and that's what I'm allll about!
Thank you.My husband is similar in that respect. I've told you guys some of the issues I had with trying to be the all submissive wife because I was told that that was how I was supposed to be. Come to find out after all that, he hated it as much as I did. It really made him uncomfortable.
I have heard some males are uncomfortable with this kind of teaching as well. It is encouraging that it is not just some women. I always wonder whether it's just controlling types who are insistant on being in charge (not people who subscribe to a more traditional view on this subject) but the ones who constantly bring up and insist how their wife needs to "obey" them.

I do think for the most part, unless there's signs of abuse and nastiness, as long as a couple love one another, and tend to treat each other well for the most part, what goes on in other people's marriage is between themselves and God, and no one else's business. (Unless they actually ask others for advice!
Although I do realise there are nice, caring men out there who do happen to go along with the more conservative stance on this issue and do actually love, treasure and consider their wives. I think what concerns me the most though, is that men who are big headed, controlling, bossy etc can use an interpretation of scripture to manipulate and oppress women and see it as an excuse to get their own way. I do realise, there are bossy and abusive women out there too in marriages, but the potential to use God, the bible and religion to justify their abuse is not there. I do wonder if in years to come, the conservative viewpoint will be less apparent and some people may decide they misunderstood Paul's views on women, just like they did at one point on slavery.
Anyway, I'm rambling I suppose. Thanks for the thoughts, I kinda feel like this thread's run its course now really, so will probably just unsubscribe now. Thanks and God bless you all
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