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Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?
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Amazing, simply amazing. I
some body else and get accused of misrepresenting you. Simply amazing I say amazing!
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I would disagree on what is called teaching. The citations you have provided quoting Jesus don't imply an obligation in any way.
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Amazing, simply amazing. I
I was referring to the post you praised. Your idea that brotherly love frees you from all Gods commandments is amazing, considering love thy neighbor doesn't disobey any of the commandments ive posted. Does love condemn those that obey Gods commandments? No because love doesn't condemn love thy neighbor or any law that is an act of love thy neigbor, a house divided cannot stand.
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Yes I'm free from the law you promote. All law is restraint, repression, restrictive and bondage to an ideal. The Holy Spirit leads to the ideal but not to the law. IOW the Holy Spirit doesn't lead one to sin. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead one to the bondage or yoke of the law either. This is pointed out in both Gal 5:18 and Acts 15.
A Christian is delivered from the law as stated in Rom 7:6-7. Not under (obligated to) the law in Romans 6:14-15, that's 2 verses in a row and impossible to miss.
Gal 4:30 says to throw out the law.
None of the above verses state or imply part of anything. They are all inclusive.
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This post was editied while I was replying to it.
Please show where I condem anyone for keeping the law with a quote.
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Where? I surely admit that Jesus condemns sin. You're trying your bestest to prove we're obligated to the law. The naming of a sin doesn't cut the mustard.
I already said that we're to obstain from sin as admonished by Paul in Gal 5:13 - For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
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Lets look at what you're saying scratch.
From what you say Christians shouldn't even get married because its commanded in the OT and if they do they can commit adultery because that too is a law and Scratch says Gal throws out the law. This could be the beginning of a whole new revolution in Christian thinking...
1 timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
From what you say Christians shouldn't even get married because its commanded in the OT and if they do they can commit adultery because that too is a law and Scratch says Gal throws out the law. This could be the beginning of a whole new revolution in Christian thinking...
1 timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
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Just a theory: Liberals love animals and hate killing them. Abstaining from meats may possibly be coming soon along with liberal anti marriage laws. The liberal church is coming.
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In the real world we do have seducing spirits and if Paul commands abstaining from fornication or anything else then its the truth. We can't teach only half the message. Grace is only half the Gospel. The rest is love which is defined so that we won't be deceived. And holiness is defined so we won't be deceived.
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I've absolutley no idea how that conclusion is arrived at from what I said. I didn't forbid marriage. Marriage isn't the focus of the discussion or what I said.
But nice verse quote.
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Liberal church organizations abound every where already. Give the people what they want so that there is a crowd and support for it. If one doesn't give them what they want they won't come. Clearly the majority of mankind only seeks the selfish indulgent pleasures life has to offer. I think the bible calls it the pleasure of sin for a season.
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So what you're really saying to me is follow a rule list and don't bother following the leading of the Holy Spirit.
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It was more of an example of why we need laws to govern us. Pauls teaches about the works of the flesh and contains commandments to abstain from these works and they are listed, that is called doctrine but its also law because its commanded.
You claim we have no law yet marriage is law so it becomes relevant.
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No, im saying the Holy Spirit leads us using the written doctrine of Christ that you keep referring to as a list.
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