Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?

[from scratch]

There is scripture that uses the analogy of being grafted into the vine, If it is an analogy forgive my horrible grammar. And the old Israel of the O.T. did contain Gods chosen people. Abraham and moses were both justified. Maybe God sees it as spiritual and in the flesh so to speak. We do join Moses and Abraham.

Nope, Jesus said I am the vine ye are the branches. John 15:5. The only place I know of about grafting is Rom 11 and it is being graft into the Root which is Jesus. Isn't it interesting that a natural born Jew must also be graft in?

 

[11822]

Nope, Jesus said I am the vine ye are the branches. John 15:5. The only place I know of about grafting is Rom 11 and it is being graft into the Root which is Jesus. Isn't it interesting that a natural born Jew must also be graft in?

And Jesus was there since the beginning. And we do join Moses and Abraham. Not only Abraham went to heaven but also Moses who brought the law.

 

[11822]

moses the law giver will get grafted in somehow.

 

[11822]

Thats the difference between Godless pharisees and law abiding men of faith. Although their law condemns them, their faith sustains them. God looks at our heart and looks for faith.

 

[from scratch]

And Jesus was there since the beginning. And we do join Moses and Abraham. Not only Abraham went to heaven but also Moses who brought the law.

I join Abraham by promise and I have nothing to do with Moses. Indeed Jesus was before the foundation of the world. But He isn't the I AM that Moses spoke with. Nor did He issue the 10 Cs. Sure I agree that Moses went to and is or will be in heaven.

 

[from scratch]

Thats the difference between Godless pharisees and law abiding men of faith. Although their law condemns them, their faith sustains them. God looks at our heart and looks for faith.

Now wait up there. Paul says he is a pharisee.

 

[11822]

I join Abraham by promise and I have nothing to do with Moses. Indeed Jesus was before the foundation of the world. But He isn't the I AM that Moses spoke with. Nor did He issue the 10 Cs. Sure I agree that Moses went to and is or will be in heaven.

Jesus is also the one God spoke to when He said "let us make man in our own image." Then God created women from man and gave them the first commandment in the garden of eden and the women broke it. (joking)

 

[mandelduke]

There is no one own this earth that can even keep the ten commandments, much less 613 laws. Jesus gave us two commandments “To believe in him, and love your neighbor as yourself”. I keep these two commandments.
　

 

[11822]

Now wait up there. Paul says he is a pharisee.

Paul was also a law abiding man of faith.

 

[sheina]

There is no one own this earth that can even keep the ten commandments, much less 613 laws. Jesus gave us two commandments “To believe in him, and love your neighbor as yourself”. I keep these two commandments.
　

 

[from scratch]

You can disagree, but the Bible is very clear that there are Spiritual Jews. I have given you sufficient Biblical evidence to back this up in the past, but sadly you ignored all my posts.

The New Covenant is ONLY made to the House of Israel. Therefore, if you are a New Testament Christian, and living under the New Covenant, you have to be a Spiritual Jew, otherwise you are doomed. You can't go to heaven!

Wouldn't a spiritual Jew be obligated to the law? I think that is your premises. If so then how could the letter of Acts 15 be issued? The Gentiles didn't come under the law according to the letter and the letter explicitly stated those demanding such had no such authority and were subverting (destroying) souls.

 

[sheina]

Now wait up there. Paul says he is a pharisee.

Before the Lord knocked Paul off his "high horse", Paul was a Pharisee. When he was a Pharisee, he said he was "blameless" concerning the law. (the OT law).

Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

 

[11822]

There is no one own this earth that can even keep the ten commandments, much less 613 laws. Jesus gave us two commandments “To believe in him, and love your neighbor as yourself”. I keep these two commandments.
　

Maybe we don't need to obey them any more than we need to love. Its the same thing. If we fail to obey the law Jesus teaches us, we fail to love and be holy like He commands us to. Paul is the man who preaches freedom from law and even He teaches law that Christ teaches concerning works of the flesh like adultery. We have freedom from the law but now we're servants of Christ. Jesus didn't only command us to love our neighbor as ourself, He also commanded that we abstain from fornication. And Paul and Jesus both teach us to obey the last 5 commandments, Paul says they are acts of love which explains why Jesus teaches them.

God throws out the OC but Jesus and the apostles established the law of Christ which is more than the 2 greatest commandments and the law of faith.

 

[11822]

Before the Lord knocked Paul off his "high horse", Paul was a Pharisee. When he was a Pharisee, he said he was "blameless" concerning the law. (the OT law).

Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Philippians 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Christs law isn't about self righteousness and perfection by law. But it does contain law.

 

[sheina]

Christs law isn't about self righteousness and perfection by law. But it does contain law.

You need to DEFINE Christ's law. You are mixing bits and pieces of the OT/Mosaic law with the teachings and instructions Jesus and the Apostles taught in the New Testament. Would you do me a favor and "connect the dots"?

 

[11822]

You need to DEFINE Christ's law. You are mixing bits and pieces of the OT/Mosaic law with the teachings and instructions Jesus and the Apostles taught in the New Testament. Would you do me a favor and "connect the dots"?

I havn't posted anything from the OT/Mosaic law. Everything i posted is what Jesus and His apostles teach.

 

[sheina]

I havn't posted anything from the OT/Mosaic law. Everything i posted is what Jesus and His apostles teach.

Yes you have....by quoting what Jesus taught from the OT. Now please "connect the dots"

 

[11822]

Yes you have....by quoting what Jesus taught from the OT. Now please "connect the dots"

Ok. What did i post?

 

[sheina]

Ok. What did i post?

Too much to even begin to post...your posts are all over this thread and the other threads concerning "keeping the law". Honestly, I am totally confused. Are you a SDA?

 

[11822]

Everything i posted as the law of Christ came from the Lords words and backed by the apostles writings. Nothing I posted was from the OT and none was taken out of context either.