Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (2)

[Elder 111]

The point is remembering something that has yet happened.

God said remember indicating that it was known and existed or God knew that it would be a problem, a source of attach from satan and He saw the need to say remember.
There is a reason for saying so. You can choose any one it denotes that the day is important to God.

 

[11822]

If they're the same thing you're obligated to the other one too. The whole law, not part.

The whole law or none. Salvation by faith only so no man can boast by the law. But, we're also obligated to hear and do as Jesus commanded. Thou Shall love God and neighbor, brother and enemy is the same as 9 of the 10Cs., loving God and neighbor fulfills the law therefor 9 of the 10 Cs do also.

Gods commandments: Not because it makes me righteous but because the one who made me righteous said so.

 

[Elder 111]

So if i love my neighbor and obey the commandment to not kill him, this means i'm being justified by the law instead of Grace? Should i kill him so that Grace may abound? No it means i show my faith through a work of the law, not to be Justified by it, but so that i will obey the laws which say love God and neighbor. I show my love by a work of the law. It means that i obey the law and dont kill my neighbor, not because i lack faith in Jesus but because i have faith in him. It means i establish the law in my heart and not kill my neighbor.

Thank you. By God's grace some will see.

 

[11822]

Incidence isn't obedience. I don't think you're going to get me to say other wise. You're trying very hard to get me to say I obey the law when I say I'm led by the Spirit. No sale. Gal 5:18 - But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

To obey the law that says thou shall not murder means that we love the man we're not killing. I'm not obligated to get circumcised or make a burnt offering just because i don't kill my neighbor. Incidence with faith and love is obedience. The opposite of 9 of the 10Cs are works of the flesh.

 

[SGM4HIM]

There's at least 9 thou shall and shall not's that are written on my heart although they were on stone at one time in the Old covenant.

I also like your keeping 9 & 10 by following Jesus' commands example.

I feel there is a confusion over the jurisdiction of covenants rather than commands of each.
When I drive in Florida I am under its jurisdiction. When I drive up to Georgia, I am under Ga's jurisdiction. That doesn't mean Fl & Ga do not share many of the same driving rules; not all are the same though. The same analogy can be made between the different covenants.
When throughout the ages would God say it was ok to honor other gods?

 

[Elder 111]

Continuing with Rom 2:
16In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
17Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
18And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;

Here The law is noted as being more excellent and the will of God. It is also noted that the secret things of the heart would be judge by it, no wonder then that Jesus could have said that if you look at a women and lust after here you already commit adultery.

19And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
20An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

The law here is termed the truth and from the context it is seen that those who did not know it were foolish, in darkness, blind and immature.

21Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
22Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
23Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

The context demonstrates clearly the 10 commandments is what is referred to.

 

[cyberlizard]

i find it strange how some people say we either keep all the law or none of it.

if we are to observe the commandment to love God and love our neighbour as ourselves then we are stuffed.

According to the prevailing logic, if we attempt to obey that one (and we should as it is a commandment found in both the Apostolic Writings and the Scriptures) we should automatically be required to hold fast to the others also.

I think one of the biggest hindrances in any discussion of commandments is the presumed idea that all the commandments apply equally to all people - this is a myth!


Steve

 

[MamaZ]

God said remember indicating that it was known and existed or God knew that it would be a problem, a source of attach from satan and He saw the need to say remember.
There is a reason for saying so. You can choose any one it denotes that the day is important to God.

It was important to God for Isreal.

 

[MamaZ]

I love x therefore I shalt not murder x, etc. It isn't contradictory.

If someone truly loves their neighbor why would they even consider murdering such neighbor?

 

[MamaZ]

There's at least 9 thou shall and shall not's that are written on my heart although they were on stone at one time in the Old covenant.

There is love shed abroad in my heart by the HS.

 

[MamaZ]

None of us are.
It is the standard on which we are judge and the path the the Holy Spirit leads.

you will have to explain what you are saying here. For we will not be judged by the law. We will be judged at the seat of Christ not the white throne judgment. We have been aquitted through the very blood of Christ and now we are joint heirs with Him. If one is judged by the law and he breaks even one of these then He is quilty of breaking them all. No hope for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I thank God that my righeousness is Christ Jesus and not by my own doings.

 

[Elder 111]

It was important to God for Isreal.

How do you consider the text that says we are all Abraham's seed?How do you view the fact that all scripture came from Israel?
How do you view the fact that salvation is of Israel? John 4: 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews

Jesus made this statement, should that not mean something?

 

[Elder 111]

you will have to explain what you are saying here. For we will not be judged by the law. We will be judged at the seat of Christ not the white throne judgment. We have been aquitted through the very blood of Christ and now we are joint heirs with Him. If one is judged by the law and he breaks even one of these then He is quilty of breaking them all. No hope for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I thank God that my righeousness is Christ Jesus and not by my own doings.

What if you lie or do some other sin, then what happen interm of your relationship with God.
Trying understand your position in this matter.

 

[MamaZ]

How do you consider the text that says we are all Abraham's seed?How do you view the fact that all scripture came from Israel?
How do you view the fact that salvation is of Israel? John 4: 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews

Jesus made this statement, should that not mean something?

The true seed of Abraham is children of Promise and not of law. This is why we see we have the bond woman who is thrown out and the free woman. What do you mean scripture came from Isreal? Just needing a better understanding of what you are saying. Scripture came from God. Salvation came out of Christ who was born of a woman under the law.

 

[MamaZ]

What if you lie or do some other sin, then what happen interm of your relationship with God.
Trying understand your position in this matter.

My relationship is not hindered by sin. So I guess you need to explain further for me. For Jesus took my sin upon Himself. We cannot say we have no sin or we lie and the truth is not in us.. Temptation comes from the lust of the flesh. As we read the fruits of the flesh in scripture. If we do sin we have our advocate with the Father Christ Jesus and we can confess and be not only forgiven but cleansed. But Praise God Jesus is my righteousness.

 

[Elder 111]

The true seed of Abraham is children of Promise and not of law. This is why we see we have the bond woman who is thrown out and the free woman. What do you mean scripture came from Isreal? Just needing a better understanding of what you are saying. Scripture came from God. Salvation came out of Christ who was born of a woman under the law.

Just mean that all that we have including Christ is Israelite. The prophets and the disciples. So to say that somethings is for Israel may cause for a closer look before one have that opinion.

 

[Elder 111]

My relationship is not hindered by sin. So I guess you need to explain further for me. For Jesus took my sin upon Himself. We cannot say we have no sin or we lie and the truth is not in us.. Temptation comes from the lust of the flesh. As we read the fruits of the flesh in scripture. If we do sin we have our advocate with the Father Christ Jesus and we can confess and be not only forgiven but cleansed. But Praise God Jesus is my righteousness.

So you never confessed that you break God's commandments? Just that you lie or what ever it maybe?
But why is it a sin if there is no law?

 

[Isolation]

So you never confessed that you break God's commandments? Just that you lie or what ever it maybe?
But why is it a sin if there is no law?

why did paul speak as if there was two groups of people,
those in the law and those not in the law?
how does one get outside of the law?
or how does one get inside the law?

 

[11822]

why did paul speak as if there was two groups of people,
those in the law and those not in the law?
how does one get outside of the law?
or how does one get inside the law?

Those 2 groups are those who Justify themselves by the law and those who are justified by faith. Both groups followed the 10 Cs though.

 

[Isolation]

Those 2 groups are those who Justify themselves by the law and those who are justified by faith. Both followed the 10 Cs though.

question: if i were to never keep the sabbath though i believe correctly, what would happen to me?