Why teach creationism in public school science classes?

[AV1611VET]

Why should the origins story of the Bible be taught as if it happened in school?

I can take this question two ways -- I'll assume you meant: taught in school as if it happened.

And to answer that: Because it happened as Documented.

If you had a son, and sent him to school, and they taught your son that Christopher Columbus sailed over here in 1492, and you -- personally -- didn't believe that; how would you react?

 

[driewerf]

I can take this question two ways -- I'll assume you meant: taught in school as if it happened.

And to answer that: Because I believe it happened as Documented.

You believe it. So what?

 

[Skavau]

I can take this question two ways -- I'll assume you meant: taught in school as if it happened.

And to answer that: Because I believe it happened as Documented.

So you think school education should just echo your own personal beliefs.

If you had a son, and sent him to school, and they taught your son that Christopher Columbus sailed over here in 1492, and you -- personally -- didn't believe that; how would you react?

Probably that I was wrong, actually. What would you say if a Muslim wanted the origins story as declared in the Qu'ran taught in history?

 

[AV1611VET]

You believe it. So what?

So I think it should be taught in school as history -- that's 'so what'.

 

[AV1611VET]

Probably that I was wrong, actually.

Well ... I can see this excellent point I just made is going to have DISHONESTY stamped across it's face -- so you won't mind if I bow out of the conversation?

 

[AV1611VET]

You believe it. So what?

Incidentally, let me point out our motto to you: The Bible says it; that settles it.

It does not say: The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it.

So you know what that means?

That means that -- whether I believe it or not, it makes no difference -- creationism should be taught in school as history.

 

[Skavau]

Well ... I can see this excellent point I just made is going to have DISHONESTY stamped across it's face -- so you won't mind if I bow out of the conversation?

You always 'bow out' of the conversation when you're challenged. You can't take criticism. What's new?

Although I have no idea about what you mean by dishonesty here. I wasn't going to reference it and if my beliefs were contrary to effectively 99% of the entire educational establishment reviewing them at the very least would be ideal.

 

[Skavau]

Incidentally, let me point out our motto to you: The Bible says it; that settles it.

It does not say: The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it.

So you know what that means?

That means that -- whether I believe it or not, it makes no difference -- creationism should be taught in school as history.

Actually, you citated the fact that you believed it as reason that it should be taught in educational establishments. In any case, the fact that the Bible says anything is reason for nothing. I don't care what it says and there's no reason that anything it says in and of itself should have any bearing whatsoever on anything.

 

[AV1611VET]

You always 'bow out' of the conversation when you're challenged.

I don't mind being challenged, but when I have to repeat myself 9000 times, I get a little bored.

You can't take criticism. What's new?

Let's see you take as much criticism on a quotidian basis, and stay as long as I have.

 

[Skavau]

I don't mind being challenged, but when I have to repeat myself 9000 times, I get a little bored.

I don't recall you ever answering many of my questions, nor more locally the one regarding whether or not a Muslim would be in the right insisting that the Qu'ran is taught in history lessons.

Let's see you take as much criticism on a quotidian basis and stay as long as I have.

You underestimate my fortitude. In any case, you may receive a lot of criticism but you actually respond to very little of it and show absolutely no personal growth or knowledge growth to it. You have to remember why you're being criticised. You're not being criticised for who you are but for what you repeatedly say and the willfully ignorant things that you repeatedly and proudly say despite all reason and evidence offered to the contrary.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, you citated the fact that you believed it as reason that it should be taught in educational establishments.

No, I didn't -- link please?

If so, I was wrong.

In any case, the fact that the Bible says anything is reason for nothing.

I'd say this statement here -- and Del's fascist remark -- about sums up the collective intelligence here.

I don't care what it says and there's no reason that anything it says in and of itself should have any bearing whatsoever on anything.

I'm sure history doesn't depend on -- or care -- what you or I think.

 

[Cabal]

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[Skavau]

No, I didn't -- link please?

Click here

I'd say this statement here -- and Del's fascist remark -- about sums up the collective intelligence here.

You can't really complain about anyone's intelligence. You deny intelligence quite literally. You have repeatedly complained about empiricism, rationalism and logic in general entirely because it negates your biblical world-view.

I'm sure history doesn't depend on -- or care -- what you or I think.

You're right - it doesn't. So why does that vindicate the Bible? Why does the fact that history happened, regardless of us necessitate that the events in the Bible actually happened, and furthermore happened as you think they did?

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't recall you ever answering many of my questions...

If not, I'm sure there was a reason for it.

... nor more locally the one regarding whether or not a Muslim would be in the right insisting that the Qu'ran is taught in history lessons.

I'm sure you realize I'm not going to dignify this point with a response.

You underestimate my fortitude.

Perhaps I do.

In any case, you may receive a lot of criticism but you actually respond to very little of it and show absolutely no personal growth or knowledge growth to it.

Believe me -- in five years here, very seldom do I see a light come on across the way.

As I'm fond of saying, I correct you guys more than you guys correct me.

 

[Cabal]

I'm sure you realize I'm not going to dignify this point with a response.

Because it would show how utterly based on opinion your own stance is?

Keep on living in denial, creationist.

Believe me -- in five years here, very seldom do I see a light come on across the way.

As I'm fond of saying, I correct you guys more than you guys correct me.

Assuming you're correct - and your lousy defences of your ideas would indicate not.

 

[Skavau]

If not, I'm sure there was a reason for it.

Reasons only known to you. Or reasons amounting to someone taking a hike.

I'm sure you realize I'm not going to dignify this point with a response.

There we go. It is another question you refuse to answer. It is a valid query. If you will grant yourself the right to insist that the Biblical origins story to be taught as history then you cannot undermine (with any credibility) of a Muslim to do the same with the Qu'ran.

As I'm fond of saying, I correct you guys more than you guys correct me.

More accurately: You're fond of attempting to correct us. In my observation, your corrections are mostly us ever so slightly misunderstanding something you said and you then correcting our slight misunderstandings originally and ironically caused by your lazy semantics.

 

[AV1611VET]

Click here

Fair enough -- it's fixed now.

 

[mzungu]

I can take this question two ways -- I'll assume you meant: taught in school as if it happened.

And to answer that: Because it happened as Documented.

If you had a son, and sent him to school, and they taught your son that Christopher Columbus sailed over here in 1492, and you -- personally -- didn't believe that; how would you react?

Believing or not in something does not constitute reality. Christopher Columbus brought back proof of his discovery; pray tell me what proof does creationism bring?

AV I promise you; If such proof existed and science accepted it then only a fool would disagree. Now whether one will worship this God of creation is a different matter but, we will all accept his existence. This is how science works.

 

[AV1611VET]

Believing or not in something does not constitute reality. Christopher Columbus brought back proof of his discovery; pray tell me what proof does creationism bring?

I asked how you would react if you did not believe it.

Are you telling me that you believe everything you were taught in history class -- sight unseen?

If not, why is it okay for someone to teach something in history class that you don't believe; but it is not okay to teach creationism in history class, because you don't believe it?

Isn't that a double standard?

 

[Delphiki]

I asked how you would react if you did not believe it.

Are you telling me that you believe everything you were taught in history class -- sight unseen?

If not, why is it okay for someone to teach something in history class that you don't believe; but it is not okay to teach creationism in history class, because you don't believe it?

Isn't that a double standard?

It's not a double standard if one can be proven with artifacts, logs, genealogy, and history tracing back to the events from modern day.

I know you have this deflector shield that prevents the relevance of evidence from being understood, but that's half of the huge difference between the bible and actual history. The other half being: Stuff in the bible can only happen in fiction.

A dude in 1492 can sail a boat across the Atlantic (in fact, wasn't even the first to do so).
Snakes do not talk, the ark is way too small to fit 2 of every species, and people can not walk on water.