Creation and PreAdamites

[Research1]

I deleted your racist ignorant comments

The only racist (Afrocentric) in this thread is you.

You are claiming the Olmecs, Assyrians, Babylonians, Canaanites etc were all black and are robbing these histories from their true races.

Afrocentrism is nothing more than disguised black supremacy.

If you want black history - look at sub-sahara africa. Stop stealing the heritage of the Mesoamericans or Mesopotamians.

 

[Research1]

There are black Jews and Asian Jews as well as white and green and yellow Jews in Israel today.

Yes, because they are converts to Judaism. There is more than one definition of a Jew:

1. Someone practicing Judaism
2. A descendant of Judah

Judah was one of the 12 tribes under Israel during the united monarchy of King David. There are pure ethnic descendants of Judah.

Converts to Judaism have no blood link to the tribe of Judah.

 

[sheina]

Yes, because they are converts to Judaism. There is more than one definition of a Jew:

1. Someone practicing Judaism
2. A descendant of Judah

Not all who call themselves "Jews" practice Judaism. I am ethnically a Jew by birth...our family, including me, never were "practicing" Jews. There are Jews living in Israel who claim to be atheists.

JEW

(praising). (1) A physical descendent of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; a son of the nation Israel by birth:

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Doesn't state here that these "Jews" were just descendants of Judah.

Acts 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

The apostle Paul was a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin (Philippians 3:5), not Judah.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

(2) A Jew who truly believes in God:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The above verse is describing a born again, blood washed Jew, not Gentile.

Gentiles do not become "spiritual" Jews or "spiritual" Israel when they come to faith in Christ. They remain Gentiles but become "adopted" sons and daughters and joint-heirs with Christ through faith.

Judah was one of the 12 tribes under Israel during the united monarchy of King David. There are pure ethnic descendants of Judah.

Jews are not just the physical descendants of Judah.....unless of course, you are of the same belief as British Israelism.

There are not 10 lost tribes of Israel!

Converts to Judaism have no blood link to the tribe of Judah.

Converts to Judaism have no blood link to ANY tribe of the 12 tribes of the children of Israel...they are not "physical" descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...not just the tribe of Judah (one of the sons of Jacob)

 

[Research1]

Not all who call themselves "Jews" practice Judaism. I am ethnically a Jew by birth...our family, including me, never were "practicing" Jews. There are Jews living in Israel who claim to be atheists.

Hence there are two definitions: religious and ethnic (or both).

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Doesn't state here that these "Jews" were just descendants of Judah.

You are quoting the NT.

Jews became mongrelised after they returned to Judah after the Babylonian exile. The Book of Ezra tells how the Jews after returning to their land took foreign wives (as the Babylonians and other races settled in their territory) and so were no longer a homogenous tribe. However a minority of Jews never mongrelised, see II Kings 18: 13. These Jews were the minority of the tribe of Judah who were exiled with the House of Israel (ten tribes). This has been verified by secular archeology, for example the Sennacherib prism records that 200, 150 Jews were deported, which most scholars believe was an exagerated figure, the real figure being 2, 150.

By NT times therefore most Jews were mongrelised, and no longer pureblooded from the tribe of Judah. The Book of Isaiah has this in prophecy, see Isaiah 3: 9.

Acts 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

The apostle Paul was a Jew from the tribe of Benjamin (Philippians 3:5), not Judah.

The tribe of Benjamin joined Judah after the fall of the united monarchy of Israel. Levites were dispersed amongst both Houses.

Benjamin + Judah = Jews
10 tribes = Israelites

While all ethnic-Jews are Israelites (purely or partly), not all Israelites are Jews. The House of Israel were not Jews, and most importantly the first appearance of the word Jew in the OT states the Jews were at war with the House of Israel (see II Kings 6: 6). The Bible teaches Two House Theology.

There are not 10 lost tribes of Israel!

Yes there are, however they were never literally lost. Note that Jesus knew precisely where they were and he sent his apostles to them:

Matthew 10: 6 -

''But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of israel.''

The Israelites are the British people and Nordic nations. Note that Simon the Zealot was sent to Britain, while Peter and Andrew were sent to the lost sheep who were still in the region around the black and caspian seas (scythia) and asia minor where the european celts and scythians still dwelled.

 

[sheina]

Hence there are two definitions: religious and ethnic (or both).



You are quoting the NT.

Jews became mongrelised after they returned to Judah after the Babylonian exile. The Book of Ezra tells how the Jews after returning to their land took foreign wives (as the Babylonians and other races settled in their territory) and so were no longer a homogenous tribe. However a minority of Jews never mongrelised, see II Kings 18: 13. These Jews were the minority of the tribe of Judah who were exiled with the House of Israel (ten tribes). This has been verified by secular archeology, for example the Sennacherib prism records that 200, 150 Jews were deported, which most scholars believe was an exagerated figure, the real figure being 2, 150.

By NT times therefore most Jews were mongrelised, and no longer pureblooded from the tribe of Judah. The Book of Isaiah has this in prophecy, see Isaiah 3: 9.



The tribe of Benjamin joined Judah after the fall of the united monarchy of Israel. Levites were dispersed amongst both Houses.

Benjamin + Judah = Jews
10 tribes = Israelites

While all ethnic-Jews are Israelites (purely or partly), not all Israelites are Jews. The House of Israel were not Jews, and most importantly the first appearance of the word Jew in the OT states the Jews were at war with the House of Israel (see II Kings 6: 6). The Bible teaches Two House Theology.



Yes there are, however they were never literally lost. Note that Jesus knew precisely where they were and he sent his apostles to them:

Matthew 10: 6 -

''But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of israel.''

The Israelites are the British people and Nordic nations. Note that Simon the Zealot was sent to Britain, while Peter and Andrew were sent to the lost sheep who were still in the region around the black and caspian seas (scythia) and asia minor where the european celts and scythians still dwelled.

By posting what you did, you are admitting that you believe in British Israelism. Tell me, from what tribe of Israel do you come? I bet you don't even know.

There are NO lost tribes...God knows where they all are.

So what if I quoted from the New Testament....were there not Jews in the New Testament? Was not the first century church predominantly Jewish? Get your facts right.

 

[Research1]

By posting what you did, you are admitting that you believe in British Israelism. Tell me, from what tribe of Israel do you come? I bet you don't even know.

All the tribes were directed into the same place. If you read Jeremiah or Isaiah you will realise the final resting place of all the tribes was the 'Isles' or 'Islands' of the far north (at the 'ends of the earth' i.e Northern Europe) which sat in the 'western seas' i.e the North Sea, meaning the British Isles, and possibly the Faroes and Iceland.

So what if I quoted from the New Testament....were there not Jews in the New Testament? Was not the first century church predominantly Jewish? Get your facts right.

You need to research II Kings 18: 13, there are currently two different stocks of Jews or Judahites. One stock being the pure blooded stock who were deported by the Assyrians with the 10 tribes, while the other being the Jews who mongrelised at Babylon after Cyrus granted the Jews return to Judah. This latter stock the Ashkenazi, Sephardi etc descend but they are not pure-blooded.

Note Jeremiah 3: 18 which states both Houses at end times will come from the far north i.e Northern Europe. This is referencing II kings 18: 13 and the Judahites who migrated earlier into Europe.

 

[sheina]

All the tribes were directed into the same place. If you read Jeremiah or Isaiah you will realise the final resting place of all the tribes was the 'Isles' or 'Islands' of the far north (at the 'ends of the earth' i.e Northern Europe) which sat in the 'western seas' i.e the North Sea, meaning the British Isles, and possibly the Faroes and Iceland.



You need to research II Kings 18: 13, there are currently two different stocks of Jews or Judahites. One stock being the pure blooded stock who were deported by the Assyrians with the 10 tribes, while the other being the Jews who mongrelised at Babylon after Cyrus granted the Jews return to Judah. This latter stock the Ashkenazi, Sephardi etc descend but they are not pure-blooded.

Note Jeremiah 3: 18 which states both Houses at end times will come from the far north i.e Northern Europe. This is referencing II kings 18: 13 and the Judahites who migrated earlier into Europe.

I believe that what you are promoting is very anti-semetic and I don't need to, nor will I research this topic. I am ending this discussion because it is fruitless and not edifying to anyone.

 

[Research1]

I believe that what you are promoting is very anti-semetic and I don't need to, nor will I research this topic. I am ending this discussion because it is fruitless and not edifying to anyone.

Most Jews themselves support Two House Theology. In fact the Talmud even notes about it (Mishnah, Sanhedrin 110b).

Most learned Rabbi's today know and accept that the Jewish folk only descend (purely or partly) from Judah and Benjamin, and that the other 10 tribes moved into Europe, and therefore are not Jews.

Most Jews are awaiting for the two Houses to be fully re-united at end times (see Ezekiel chapter 37), this of course means the two houses are not the same now. Jews are therefore not Israelites.

 

[sheina]

Most Jews themselves support Two House Theology. In fact the Talmud even notes about it (Mishnah, Sanhedrin 110b).

Most learned Rabbi's today know and accept that the Jewish folk only descend (purely or partly) from Judah and Benjamin, and that the other 10 tribes moved into Europe, and therefore are not Jews.

Most Jews are awaiting for the two Houses to be fully re-united at end times (see Ezekiel chapter 37), this of course means the two houses are not the same now. Jews are therefore not Israelites.

I don't subscribe to Two House Theology....I believe the BIBLE (OT & NT). The Talmud and Mishnah are not inspired Scriptures. This discussion is now over.

 

[Research1]

I don't subscribe to Two House Theology....I believe the BIBLE (OT & NT).

In the Bible...

''When Saul mustered them at Bezek, the men of Israel numbered three hundred thousand and the men of Judah thirty thousand.''
- 1 Samuel 11:8

''...so I bound the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah to me,' declares the LORD''
- Jeremiah 13: 11

''The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah''
-Jeremiah 31:31

''Have you not noticed that these people are saying, 'The LORD has rejected the two kingdoms he chose'? So they despise my people and no longer regard them as a nation.''
- Jeremiah 33: 24

So do you just ignore these passages which clearly show the two houses to be seperate and distinct?

 

[sheina]

In the Bible...

''When Saul mustered them at Bezek, the men of Israel numbered three hundred thousand and the men of Judah thirty thousand.''
- 1 Samuel 11:8

''...so I bound the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah to me,' declares the LORD''
- Jeremiah 13: 11

''The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah''
-Jeremiah 31:31

''Have you not noticed that these people are saying, 'The LORD has rejected the two kingdoms he chose'? So they despise my people and no longer regard them as a nation.''
- Jeremiah 33: 24

So do you just ignore these passages which clearly show the two houses to be seperate and distinct?

What part of "this discussion is over" do you not understand?

 

[Research1]

What part of "this discussion is over" do you not understand?

Your first two posts in this thread were insulting one liners: ''hogwosh'', you then attempted to debate me but smeared me as an anti-semite and then think you have the authority to stop me from posting.

Quite clearly you are a troll, and certianly a nasty one.

 

[sheina]

Your first two posts in this thread were insulting one liners: ''hogwosh'', you then attempted to debate me but smeared me as an anti-semite and then think you have the authority to stop me from posting.

Quite clearly you are a troll, and certianly a nasty one.

What I said in the first two posts were true. What you are promoting is not biblical, except according to British Israelism. I didn't attempt to debate you because apparently you have your own "set in concrete" opinions about what you believe. I believe British Israelism to be anti-semetic. I didn't say you could stop posting...I said "this discussion is now over" because what is going on is fruitless and not edifying to others. That is not trolling. Discussing British Israelism is a waste of time and is not the topic of this thread.

If you want to continue to post this stuff, have at it...but don't try to discuss it with me because you are on ignore as of now.

 

[Research1]

What I said in the first two posts were true. What you are promoting is not biblical, except according to British Israelism. I didn't attempt to debate you because apparently you have your own "set in concrete" opinions about what you believe. I believe British Israelism to be anti-semetic. I didn't say you could stop posting...I said "this discussion is now over" because what is going on is fruitless and not edifying to others. That is not trolling. Discussing British Israelism is a waste of time and is not the topic of this thread.

If you want to continue to post this stuff, have at it...but don't try to discuss it with me because you are on ignore as of now.

The thread is about pre-adamism. Yet your first two posts in this section were insulting those who take that position, furthermore all you continue to do is further insult another teaching - British Israelism.

So your only posts in this thread is attacking what other people believe.

Odd that you accuse me of being an anti-semite, when your own behaviour is fascist - you clearly can't accept the fact other people have different views without insulting or smearing them.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I will no longer answer Research1, as he is promoting the totally false "british Israelism", in complete contradiction to the Word of God.
He is denying history and denying that we are all one human being race called "Adam", by our Creator, and of many colors and tribes and tongues; dispersed from the time of Babel, and scattered over the globe, making gene pools more and more isolated over time, and more limited than before Babel and to the time of our first father; who was white, and whose wife was black, and whose children were red, black, and white.
Noah's sons were red, white, and black, as the totemic dream visions of the history of the world given to Enoch show.

Enoch 89:9"And again saw in the vision till those water torrents were removed from that high roof, and the chasms of the earth were levelled up and other abysses were opened.
8Then the water began to run down into these, till the earth became visible; but that vessel settled on the earth, and the darkness retired and light appeared. But that white bull which had become a man came out of that vessel, and the three bulls with him, and one of those three was white like that bull, and one of them was red as blood, and one black: and that white bull departed from them.

Keturah was a Canaanite woman, black. She and Abraham had six sons, and some of them settled India, and are black.
Abraham is descended from Shem, and in the book of Jubilees we read that Noah's sons divided the earth by lot, and India -as well as the borders of the land mass, up to the "river Tina", somewhere in the north, fell to Shem, so it is appropriate that Abraham's sons settled there, with other of Shem's descendants, and they of Abraham and Keturah are black.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The half tribe of Joseph, the "Bnei Menashe", are returning to Israel.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7537759/#post56810646

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Adam and Eve were the first Hebrews. Most people skip over the geneologys in the Bible, but they are accurate. The research that science has done in DNA shows how accurate the Bible is.

Eber, the father of the "hebrews" was a descendant of Adam, not his ancestor.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Can anyone explain this theory to me in simple terms? A pastor told me today that Adam and Eve were not the first created humans....I had read something about a time frame between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.....and of course how Satan fell from earth before Adam and Eve were created, taking the other fallen angels with him.....but none of those fallen angels were human, right?

So who are these "PreAdamites" and what happened to them?

And Cain....why was he worried about being killed, before God put the mark on him, if there were no other people on the earth besides Adam and Eve?

Is there a time frame in between those two verses I mentioned in Genesis?

There was not even a heaven stretched out from the earth, between the divided waters, until day 2, so any claim to a prior creation is total fabrication which is totally refuted by Genesis 1 itself.

Abel was the first prophet, states Jesus, and Abel's prophecy is recorded in the real Book of Jasher -http://www.speakingbible.com/jasher/index.htm [which makes no mention of nieces at all, and in Enoch, Cain married a sister], and is about YHWH Himself being the avenger of blood who would requite the blood of Abel if Cain slew him.
The LORD gave Cain a promise that he would not be killed and the reason was that the avenging is done later, by the Kinsman-Redeemer [Christ come in flesh], at the pre-appointed time.
The original language suffers in translations because of the history books like Jasher being lost at the time of the English translations.

 

[Research1]

I will no longer answer Research1, as he is promoting the totally false "british Israelism", in complete contradiction to the Word of God.

BI is 'totally false' (?), but black supremacist afrocentrism (which you continue to post across this thread) is true?

You have claimed the Babylonians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Assyrians, Canaanites, Olmecs, and now partial-Jews were/are black...

I'm sure lurkers are laughing at your posts. Anyone with even the most basic history knowledge knows none of these ancient peoples were black.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The above post is a total false accusation of my opinions and beliefs, and it is slanderous.