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The above post is a total false accusation of my opinions and beliefs, and it is slanderous.

Check pages 5 - 7, here is what you have written:

Eve was black, Cain was black

Cain black, and daughters were black


Nebuchadnezzar was black, a descendant of Nimrod, who was black


Hagar was a black Egyptian

The tribes of Judah married lots of black women

Moses married a black woman

Moses' wife, Zipporah, was descended from the black Canaanite woman

Ham was black, Nimrod was black, Nebuchadnezzar was black.

The Ethiopian wife of Moses was black.

The Egyptian wife of Abraham, Hagar, was black.

The Canaanite wife of Abraham, Keturah, was black.

Joseph's Egyptian wife was black.

Several wives of the sons of Jacob were black Canaanite women.

there are black Jews from Ethiopia

Nebuchadnezzar descended from Nimrod, who was black.

You also claimed (on page 5 and 6) that the Olmecs were black.

Evidently you are an Afrocentric and a black supremacist, as you are claiming virtually everyone in the Bible was black (despite the fact they weren't).

Everything you have written above is total nonsense as none of those people were black. The only people who think they are Afrocentrics.
 
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Here is the geographical knowledge of the authors of Genesis, the nations in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10; 11) only settled in the highlighted area.

The geography is limited only to the middle-eastern region, Asia Minor, with the top segment of North Africa, and a small segment of south-eastern Europe.

When the other Books of the Old Testament was written, this geographical knowledge greatly increased and different areas were over time settled by the Adamites.

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All the territory in black was never known at the time Genesis was written.
 
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Hi Migdalia,

Sorry to be so late to the dance. I haven't read all the posts since your initial question so this may be repetitive. I'd be running as fast as I could to another teacher. If this is the fellowship where you worship, I'd be leaving there and shaking the dust from my feet. Hopefully that tells you where I stand on both issues.

BTW, who told you that there was no one around but Adam and Eve when God turned Cain out?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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I also haven't read all the posts so sorry if it's repeated, but here's another take:

We know now that time is relative. 6 days to God doesn't necessarily have to be 6 rotations of the earth like it is to us, so there's no contradiction. In scriptures original Hebrew, I don't think it's strange to interpret that adam and eve weren't the first humanoids, but the first He 'breathed' a nepesh (conscience) into. Therefore, the first humans he made in His image. Prior to Adam and Eve, I imagine human kind were similar to animals, or atleast they had no way of a relationship with Yahuweh.

This is all new to me too, I refused to believe the earth was older than 10,000 years and that there were no humans before 4000BC. I thought it condradicted scripture to believe anything else. Evidence against it was too great, but that certainly didn't mean I thought my God was liar. Our English translated bibles read with our traditional Christian goggles might be though.

Regardless of the earths history, things as trivial as this should never interfere with our relationship with our Father. Scripture focuses on the fall of man and how we can get it back, not science or world history so it's clear what is more important.
 
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I also haven't read all the posts so sorry if it's repeated, but here's another take:

We know now that time is relative. 6 days to God doesn't necessarily have to be 6 rotations of the earth like it is to us, so there's no contradiction. In scriptures original Hebrew, I don't think it's strange to interpret that adam and eve weren't the first humanoids, but the first He 'breathed' a nepesh (conscience) into. Therefore, the first humans he made in His image. Prior to Adam and Eve, I imagine human kind were similar to animals, or atleast they had no way of a relationship with Yahuweh.
Genesis is not given in "relative time" to eternity where God dwells, but in six 24 hour periods of evenings and mornings.
-and the earth does not rotate/spin, orbit, or tilt, in the Bible descriptions of the creation, but the stretched out heavens [stretched out from the earth between divided waters on day 2 of creation week] revolve/orbit the earth, from day 1, when God called light into being and established evenings and mornings as one day/period of measured time for earth's measured weeks and years.

The sun, moon, and stars were not prepared and set in the orbiting heavens which were stretched out from earth on day 2 of creation week, until day 4 of creation week of six evenings and mornings =one day each, and a day of rest at the end of them.

The sun, moon, and stars have their own orbits around the earth on peculiar paths in the orbiting heavens, which were ordained for them, so as to rule the day, night, and the seasons, and to rule them from the heavens which were stretched out from the earth, between the divided waters on day 2.
 
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Refutation from the Word:
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

The Book of Jasher states that seventy angels who stood before YHWH went down with YHWH, to confound the one mother tongue/language into seventy; and the seventy fractured more and more as men scattered more and more.

The Olmec Government was formed in the western continents about 1200 BC, about the time Genesis was written.

Egypt was trading grain to the west and getting cocaine from the west, through the ships of Tarshish. Tobacco and Cocaine is found in Egyptian mummies dating back to that time, and also, corn from the western continents is depicted in ancient Egyptian reliefs, in tombs.


Nebuchadnezzar ruled the Olmec king through the king that ruled the Olmec king, and so on, for Daniel said, as inspired Scripture truth, that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of kings of the earth, in 600 BC, and that wherever man, beast or fowl dwelt, God had made Nebuchadnezzar the king of the kings of them -over the entire globe, wherever man, or beast, or fowl dwelt. That is the Truth of the Word of God.
Dark ages bring ignorance of history.

Trading continued between the Eastern, European, and Western continents for centuries. The grain grown in the plains of the river of Egypt [the Nile] was traded across the oceans to the western continents.
Isa 23:1 The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.
Isa 23:2 Be still, ye inhabitants of the isle; thou whom the merchants of Zidon, that pass over the sea, have replenished.
Isa 23:3 And by great waters the seed of Sihor, the harvest of the river, [is] her revenue; and she is a mart of nations.
Isa 23:11 He stretched out his hand over the sea, he shook the kingdoms: the LORD hath given a commandment against the merchant [city], to destroy the strong holds thereof.





Eze 27:3 And say unto Tyrus, O thou that art situate at the entry of the sea, [which art] a merchant of the people for many isles, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O Tyrus, thou hast said, I [am] of perfect beauty. .[NLT -that mighty gateway to the sea, the trading center of the world. Give Tyre this message from the Sovereign LORD: You claimed, O Tyre, to be perfect in beauty.]Eze 27:12Tarshish [was] thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all [kind of] riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead, they traded in thy fairs.
Eze 27:33 When thy wares went forth out of the seas, thou filledst many people; thou didst enrich the kings of the earth with the multitude of thy riches and of thy merchandise.
 
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Refutation:
"Red and yellow black and white, they are precious in His sight", "for of one blood made he all nations/ἔθνος ethnos/tribes of Adam/human beings/Mankind"
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth,
 
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Nebuchadnezzar ruled the Olmec king through the king that ruled the Olmec king, and so on, for Daniel said, as inspired Scripture truth, that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of kings of the earth, in 600 BC, and that wherever man, beast or fowl dwelt, God had made Nebuchadnezzar the king of the kings of them -over the entire globe, wherever man, or beast, or fowl dwelt. That is the Truth of the Word of God.

Here is an art depiction of Nebuchadnezzar (during his own life time) from an onyx stone engraving-

nebuchadnezzar_cuneis.JPG


His physical features don't match your bizarre claims.
 
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His physical features don't match your bizarre claims.
That was from a coin.
And who claims that physical features are how one tells color of skin?
That is a very racist statement to make and a wrong assumption, for skin color does not automatically define facial "features" within the tribes of the nations.
KP Yohannan a black Indian man, who is most likely descended from Abraham and Keturah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylpkIhrgBg
 
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And who claims that physical features are how one tells color of skin?

This skin colour isn't shown on the coin, Nebuchadnezzar's facial features however are - he had a small straight nose and straight hair.

You claimed he was negroid, but negroids don't have straight hair or straight noses - they only have wooly hair and wide noses.

KP Yohannan a black Indian man, who is most likely descended from Abraham and Keturah.

K. P Yohannan is an Indian (Dravidian), here's his own biography:

About K.P. Yohannan - Gospel for Asia

Can you stop trolling? Indians are not black africans. Yohannan is not a ''black indian'', he's just an Indian...The Indian people are not black, and have no links to Sub-Saharan Black Africans.
 
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This skin colour isn't shown on the coin, Nebuchadnezzar's facial features however are - he had a small straight nose and straight hair.

You claimed he was negroid, but negroids don't have straight hair or straight noses - they only have wooly hair and wide noses.



K. P Yohannan is an Indian (Dravidian), here's his own biography:

About K.P. Yohannan - Gospel for Asia

Can you stop trolling? Indians are not black africans. Yohannan is not a ''black indian'', he's just an Indian..., .
Nebuchadnezzar is not seen with hair on the face of the coin, but with a [leather] skull cap for war [?], on his head which is identical to the skull cap of the Olmec "black king" head sculptures.
And, as is usual, your racism is stinking up to heaven -better be careful, cause you know what YHWH did to Miriam when she was jealous of Moses because of the Ethiopian/C-u-s-h-i-t-e wife he married -the first wife, not Zipporah!

KP Yohannin is black skinned. - So what? I posted the video to show that black skin does not define "features" of any one tribe of the nations. You can find every feature made out to identify ethnic groups features in every ethnic group -and that is a proven fact!


And I never use the word "negroid", but you do, in racist charges of color variations being something not of God's creation for the one race of Adam.
Nebuchadnezzar was a descendant of Nimrod, who was son of Cush, and so Nimrod was "brother" of the Ethiopians/Cush--ites, and was king of Babylon, and Nebuchadnezzar descended from him.

Saddam Hussein claimed to be descended from Nebuchadnezzar and so, of Nimrod, also, and he was rebuilding Babylon.

The Ethiopian Jews claimed to be descended from the queen of Sheba [not the one descended from Abraham but from Ham] and Solomon. They are black. They have come to Israel and are accepted as full Jews, and they are black in skin color, and their features do not identify them as from one ethnic group or another, but their color of skin is black.
ethiopians2.jpg

http://afgen.com/ethiopians2.jpg
 
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You can find every feature made out to identify ethnic groups features in every ethnic group -and that is a proven fact!

If you knew anything about physical anthropology you would know races have specific features others do not posess - hence races or racial groups exist in the first place because of all the distinct phenotypes. For example, straight blonde, red and auburn hair only exists in Caucasians (particularly Northern Europeans) as well as light eye colours. Non-white race do not have these hair colours or eye colours.
 
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The Ethiopian Jews claimed to be descended from the queen of Sheba [not the one descended from Abraham but from Ham] and Solomon. They are black. They have come to Israel and are accepted as full Jews, and they are black in skin color, and their features do not identify them as from one ethnic group or another, but their color of skin is black.
ethiopians2.jpg

http://afgen.com/ethiopians2.jpg

Yea...we have nutters all over the world claiming they descended from the ancient Jews (Judah) or Israelites (ten tribes).

You are clearly a black supremacist crank. To you, virtually everyone (Assyrians, Babylonians, Indians, Jews, Egyptians, Olmecs etc) were black - which only stems from a black supremacist worldview.
 
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This is enough of your racist remarks. I hope the moderator takes note of your constant attack and claims that are not from the Word of God, but from bigoted evolutionist doctrines of racial superiority.


The fact is that we are all one race, named Adam, by the Creator, and made male and female and of many colors, in the beginning, which were varied in the families from the beginning; but by the separation of the tribes into the seventy languages, and the scattering out of the tribes to all over the earth, beginning at the fall of the tower of Babel, the genetic information became more and more isolated as the seventy languages from the one continued to divide over time into the near 6,000 or so, today.
Not so with Israel, because as they were scattered in the nations of the world for the last two thousand years, they regathered a lot of the genetic information, by marriage, and are returning to Israel with much of the genetic information regathered and brought back, and the seed of Jacob in Israel now comes in all colors; and as they continue on returning, more and more of the genetic information will be brought back which was scattered out in the tribes due to the language divisions, from Babel.
In the millennial reign, the whole earth will again speak with one pure tongue, and the seed of Jacob will once again have multicolored children in one family, as it was from the beginning.


Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Answers Book, by Ken Ham, Andrew Snelling, and Carl Wieland, offers a clear and concise explanation of how the different 'races' developed after the confounding of the language and population dispersion at Babel (recorded in Genesis 11:1–9). The book provides logical, scientific evidence that mankind has descended from Noah and his family (and Adam and Eve before that).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It explains how the dispersion, involving the breaking up of a large group into many small groups (comprising members who spoke the same language) who only breed within the group, ensured the resultant populations would have different mixes of genes for various physical features.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Adam and Eve, created perfect, would have had the genetic information enabling their offspring to have the many combinations of skin, hair, and eye colour existent in the world today.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]2[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Today’s population descended from Noah and his family after the Flood, so the amount of genes available would probably have been slightly reduced from those of Adam and Eve.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thus, the dispersion ensured that within a short time certain fixed differences[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]3[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] would become apparent in some of the small groups, which we would call separate ‘races’.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]4[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In Romans, we are told that all men are born equal:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]‘For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God’[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] (Romans 3:23),[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]but the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ has brought the possibility of redemption and salvation:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]‘For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [regardless of which tribe or ‘race’ they belong to] believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life’ (John 3:16). Among believers:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]‘There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus’[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] (Gal. 3:28)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In the light of God’s Word, there can be no justification for promoting or condoning racism.[/FONT]...The Fallacy of Racism
 
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This is enough of your racist remarks. I hope the moderator takes note of your constant attack and claims that are not from the Word of God, but from bigoted evolutionist doctrines of racial superiority.


The fact is that we are all one race, named Adam, by the Creator, and made male and female and of many colors, in the beginning, which were varied in the families from the beginning; but by the separation of the tribes into the seventy languages, and the scattering out of the tribes to all over the earth, beginning at the fall of the tower of Babel, the genetic information became more and more isolated as the seventy languages from the one continued to divide over time into the near 6,000 or so, today.
Not so with Israel, because as they were scattered in the nations of the world for the last two thousand years, they regathered a lot of the genetic information, by marriage, and are returning to Israel with much of the genetic information regathered and brought back, and the seed of Jacob in Israel now comes in all colors; and as they continue on returning, more and more of the genetic information will be brought back which was scattered out in the tribes due to the language divisions, from Babel.
In the millennial reign, the whole earth will again speak with one pure tongue, and the seed of Jacob will once again have multicolored children in one family, as it was from the beginning.


Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

Ken Ham is an evolutionist, and it appears you are as well.

You claim there was some 'genetic isolation' at Babel, while Ken Ham claims that after Babel the different races evolved or mutated different features from a genepool.

I've read his nonsense book One blood, the irony is that Ken Ham claims to oppose the theory of evolution, but when it suits him (i.e his belief that the races evolved after the tower of babel event) he supports it.
 
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Ken Ham is not an evolutionist. Stop slandering.
There is no such thing as evolution in the Word of God. all the information for all the human beings on the globe, who ever have been, was
created by the Creator and placed in the DNA of the first human being Adam person created and passed down through the seed born.
Isolation of genetic information was caused by the scattering of the tribes which began at the fall of Babel and the confounding of the mother tongue.
It did not happen overnight, but began at the fall, and continued on as men scattered over the earth and as ethnic wars further divided tribes.
In Israel today, we can see a reversal of the genetic loss, in that the seed of Jacob returning to the land are coming back from the nations with
all the different genetic information bred back into their line while they were scattered among the nations.

There are black Jews from Ethiopia, and there is the small half-tribe of Joseph/ Manasseh, coming back from the border of India and China
where they have lived in exile for almost two millennia, and they are bringing back the genetic features isolated in the east/asian tribes of Adam.
There are those from the north with red hair, green eyes, white skin, and there are mid-brown olive skinned ones, and so on and so forth.
As the tribes return, and as they bring back the genetic information from the tribes they were scattered among, the nation will one day be
as it was in the beginning of creation, when the parents didn't know what color any of their offspring would be, because of the natural variation.

There are quite a few sets of twins in the world today who are of two colors. There is only one race, the Adam race, but people still think "mixed race" when they see such, having been brainwashed by evolution.
Jacob was white and smooth, Esau was red and hairy, so hairy that his mother fooled his dad by killing a goat and sewing up a skin for
Jacob to wear to fool his near blind father with, who felt the hairy skin of the goat and thought it was Esau. They were not "mixed race",
but they still had a more varied gene pool back then so that one did not know what the siblings would look like until they were born.

Twin boys born in Germany July 11 are turning heads for more than their baby faces: in an unusual genetic occurrence,
the brothers were born with dramatically different skin colors.
The babies' mother, Florence Addo-Gerth, called her twin infants "black and white" in an interview with German broadcaster RTL.
The older twin, Ryan, takes after his white German father, Stephan Gerth, while the younger, Leo, looks more like Addo-Gerth, who hails
from Ghana in West Africa, she said.

Dozens and dozens of black and white -and all shades of them are on this page:

black and white twins, images - Google Search
Here's just one of many -two sets born to one family.
And here's a black couple who had a white baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npg_rXMaOoU, which was not unusual in the beginning,
before the tribes scattered out by language and lost genetic information.
 
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This is enough of your racist remarks. I hope the moderator takes note of your constant attack and claims that are not from the Word of God, but from bigoted evolutionist doctrines of racial superiority.
For what it's worth, racial superiority isn't an "evolutionist doctrine", so please stop saying that it is. That's false witness.
 
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For what it's worth, racial superiority isn't an "evolutionist doctrine", so please stop saying that it is. That's false witness.

I think hes a poe. A few pages back (take a look) he claimed that the Neo-Assyrian Empire belted the entire globe, reaching the Olmecs in Central Americas (!):doh:. This claim he bases on a literal reading of Daniel 2: 38 which reads:

''And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of gold...''

So he is claiming since this verse describes Nebuchadnezzar being a king where ever men dwell - the Neo-Assyrian Empire covered the entire globe.

Heres his post:

Nebuchadnezzar was black, a descendant of Nimrod, who was black, and Nebuchadnazzar ruled the kings of the earth, as king of kings over the entire globe, as Daniel 4 states. You can see his head represented in the Olmec artifacts, I believe, because Nebuchadnezzar ruled the Olmec kings when he ruled the world

Atheists must love this type of parody of scripture from those pretending to be YEC's.
 
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