For me mabey, but not for you. For you were adversely affected by this womans inconsideration.
I wouldn't call it sin because I don't think sin exists. I see no such thing as sinners.
The reason is because you know it is and was wrong.
Hurting people is wrong. So yes, definitely wrong. Anything that hurts another person, should not be done.
What do you think sin is? Some offense against God or some offense against man?
Obviously, I don't believe in the concept of sin whatsoever, but from what I can fathom, it just seems to be a way for people to tell others what they can or can't do. "Homosexuality is a sin." "Masturbation is a sin." "Drugs are sinful." It's all just another way of stopping people from doing things that certain people don't like. There might not be any logical reason for it, whatsoever, but if people believe the person who said it was truthful, then why shouldn't they believe them? If the punishment for said sins is eternal torture or some such lark, then of course they'll avoid them, even if the "sins" actually are good for them.
I tell you, it's against men and God takes offense because it is so.
Take masturbation, for instance. Is that against men? I don't think so.
You're denying the very imperical evidence you set forth.. And that is nonsensical.
Sorry, you've lost me again.
What imperical evidence did I set forth?
Yes!
But I wasn't examining your moral nature in this case, I was looking into what you perceived to be sin that was committed against you.
I don't perceive anything to be a sin. I just see it as somebody who has no care about how she treats other people, and it's just sad.
Morals are learned by experience.. Morality is ingrained.
You take a child, from birth, and put them in a room with no window, no television, no human contact, just 3 meals a day shoved through a hole in the wall. I guarantee, if you let that being out when they reach... let's say... 16, he will have no morals, whatsoever. There's no saying what he'll do, because he'll have a blank mind. Morals are very much taught to us by our parents, that's why different countries often have different views when it comes to morality.
We learn what is is to be happy as we learn what it is to be sad.
There is a little truth in that, I suppose, though not with regards to morality, I don't think.
I don't believe anything I say here will be pointless.
Sorry, I didn't mean to say what you said was pointless. I'm just really not fond of people speaking in metaphors. As you can probably tell, I like to be blunt, and to the point, it leaves little chance for misunderstandings.
People feel bad because they perceive they've sinned.
People feel bad because being treated badly hurts. It hurts trusting someone, and having that trust broken. Nothing to do with sin.
Job 35:5-8
Look unto the heavens, and see; and behold the clouds which are higher than thou. If thou sinnest, what doest thou against him? or if thy transgressions be multiplied, what doest thou unto him? If thou be righteous, what givest thou him? or what receiveth he of thine hand? Thy wickedness may hurt a man as thou art; and thy righteousness may profit the son of man.
Again, I don't get anything from this. Doesn't mean anything to me.
I'd like to know the same thing. What are you harping about hon?
Sorry, I think I misinterpreted your post as to you talking about the WBC. I done confuzzled maself. :3
You said "I'm not saying anybody walks in anything"
And I said "If sin isn't real, then why do you hate your ex?"
Because I don't believe in sin, I can hate her without sin. Bad feelings are not proof of sin, there's just proof of bad feelings. I hate her because she hurt me.
You are walking in hatred towards your ex, holding unforgiveness in your heart and cherishing bitterness. Ergo, what she did to you, you perceive as sin against you.. harmful against you.. And is it true?
I am cherishing the hate because it's a lot better than feeling depressed about the whole thing. I wouldn't say I'm walking in hatred though, that's again a pointless metaphor for me. I'm just bitter and angry, but with good reason, and there's nothing wrong with that.
While I understand that 'sin' might not be a everyday word in your vocabulary, seeing as you have been on CF for quite some time, I do not doubt you've come to know what it is. Why do you deny she sinned against you, but for symantecs?
I deny she sinned against me because I don't see that sin exists, that's the only reason. I also see no one definition of what sin is, as it seems to be pretty open to interpretation to theists. It's how some theists see certain things as sins and others don't.
Did I say you were worse?
Worse for wear, damaged, certainly, but not a worse 'person'.
Even as an infant is not a worse person for his insufficiency.
Again, perhaps I misread part of your post. I interpreted this as you saying I was a more hateful person.
Damaged, perhaps. I've always been pretty misanthropic anyway though, this whole scenario just exacerbated it.
What is love if not faithfulness (eg;fidelity)?
Love can extend beyond faithfulness, but love and trust do go hand-in-hand, without one, the other gets weakened.
For you to say you hate this 'ex', I would say you are walking in hate.
Does this help with your definition?
It helps with what you define it as. I'd just say I'm rightfully angry.
Is it right that she was faithless, no way!
But is it right that you should hate another human being, no way!
My hate isn't hurting anybody, it's definitely not hurting me, I've been hurt already, the hate is just a natural human emotion, and there's nothing wrong with it, unless you let it lead you into doing bad things.
And this after you just finished telling us how you always did what was right?
I don't ALWAYS do what's right, but by most people's standards, I'm a good person. I don't hurt people, at the very least.
You can, rather, lay it at the Lord's feet.. And it can stay there, at the foot of the Cross.
Been there, done that, wasn't so successful. I've found actually dealing with things to be alot more useful.
Yet, you are on a Christian forum hon, please show some respect.
If you go into an uncles house and he prays over his meal, you bow your head, out of respect. Don't you? You who say you always do what is right?
If you invite me into your house, I will pray over my meal silently.
But if you come into a bears den, prepare to be ravaged.
You don't have to, but it is proper to show respect for those who do.
I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, you have every right to believe whatever you want, but doesn't mean I have to pretend that it's real. If you're able to just say flat-out what you believe is real, then I can do the same, it's only fair. It's not disrespectful, it's just me being truthful.
And these you have learned through your moral nature. Good and evil.. Right and wrong.
Exactly. MY moral nature. For instance, my morals might appear to be loose to other people. I have no problem with drugs, alcohol, pre-marital sex or masturbation. Others might disagree.
To other people I may appear to be slightly prudish, what with my not wanting to hurt people and what-not.
We develop and learn our own morals, as we live, and learn.
