That's hardly proof of sin, now, is it?
For me mabey, but not for you. For you were adversely affected by this womans inconsideration.
I hate her because she betrayed me, lied to me, and even rubbed it in my face, after I forgave her. She treated me like crap, and for some reason I tend to get angry when people treat me like crap.
The reason is because you know it is and was wrong.
She didn't sin, she just has no respect for other people's feelings, therefore, I am against that.
What do you think sin is? Some offense against God or some offense against man?
I tell you, it's against men and God takes offense because it is so.
I'm spouting the pure simple truth, not nonsense.
You're denying the very imperical evidence you set forth.. And that is nonsensical.
What came to my front doorstep? Being cheated on?
Precisely.
Believe it or not, I've kinda always been against that whole 'lying and cheating' thing, because it hurts people, and personally I believe that hurting people isn't a good thing.
But I wasn't examining your moral nature in this case, I was looking into what you perceived to be sin that was committed against you.
What exactly are you getting at here? Are you somehow insinuating that I thought lying and cheating were okay until it happened to me?
Morals are learned by experience.. Morality is ingrained.
We learn what is is to be happy as we learn what it is to be sad.
If you are, then you're wrong, and you're again judging me without knowing me. If you're not, then you're just speaking in pointless metaphors.
I don't believe anything I say here will be pointless.
Though people who say they don't see these things as wrong are just saying it to justify their actions and rationalize what they do so they don't feel bad. Which is exactly what my girlfriend did.
People feel bad because they perceive they've sinned.
Job 35:5-8
Look unto the heavens, and see; and behold the clouds which are higher than thou. If thou sinnest, what doest thou against him? or if thy transgressions be multiplied, what doest thou unto him? If thou be righteous, what givest thou him? or what receiveth he of thine hand? Thy wickedness may hurt a man as thou art; and thy righteousness may profit the son of man.
I'm seriously more hateful than the WBC? Please clarify what on earth you are on about here.
I'd like to know the same thing. What are you harping about hon?
You said "I'm not saying anybody walks in anything"
And I said "If sin isn't real, then why do you hate your ex?"
You are walking in hatred towards your ex, holding unforgiveness in your heart and cherishing bitterness. Ergo, what she did to you, you perceive as sin against you.. harmful against you.. And is it true?
While I understand that 'sin' might not be a everyday word in your vocabulary, seeing as you have been on CF for quite some time, I do not doubt you've come to know what it is. Why do you deny she sinned against you, but for symantecs?
I find it hard to believe that I'm worse than them for hating people who have personally wronged me, than people who hate an entire group of people for something that doesn't affect them in any way, shape, or form.
Did I say you were worse?
Worse for wear, damaged, certainly, but not a worse 'person'.
Even as an infant is not a worse person for his insufficiency.
See, this is the problem with all this nonsense. People speak in metaphors and language which isn't plain. What exactly IS "walking in love"?
What is love if not faithfulness (eg;fidelity)?
For you to say you hate this 'ex', I would say you are walking in hate.
Does this help with your definition?
To clarify, she said she loved me, I definitely loved her, she cheated on me, I forgave her, she said she still loved me, I still loved her, she said she didn't love me, then she lied to me for months on end about what was going on. I'll leave it up to you to decide what it was exactly she was 'walking in'.
Faithlessness (infidelity).
In the midst of this, I was a depressed, drunken mess. I didn't know what was going on, and I was suffering for it.
I don't doubt you were.
That's why I'm hateful of her, she made me suffer, for no good reason. It's justified.
Says you.
Is it right that she was faithless, no way!
But is it right that you should hate another human being, no way!
Again, self rationalization.
And self rationalization does not equate to actualization.
We only see things from our (limited) perspective.
Morality is a man-made system of control. It's a necessary one, without it, the human race would have died out eons ago.
And this after you just finished telling us how you always did what was right?
I don't get it, why all the hoopla if you only go on to deny your own thesis?
It helps me deal with it, it also helps me make good decisions.
You can, rather, lay it at the Lord's feet.. And it can stay there, at the foot of the Cross.
If I didn't hate them, I'd still be friends with her, still possibly be in love with her, and she'd still be treating me like garbage. It's because of my hate that we don't see each other anymore. If we were still around each other, somebody would get hurt. In this scenario my hate is actually stopping suffering. It's a logical emotion.
Indeed.
Blah blah, quoting passages at me means nothing, since I don't believe the Bible to be the word of God.
Yet, you are on a Christian forum hon, please show some respect.
If you go into an uncles house and he prays over his meal, you bow your head, out of respect. Don't you? You who say you always do what is right?
If you invite me into your house, I will pray over my meal silently.
But if you come into a bears den, prepare to be ravaged.
All that means is that someone felt like writing those passages in the Bible, and some people take it seriously. I don't.
You don't have to, but it is proper to show respect for those who do.
Believe me, I know love. Just as I know hate.
And these you have learned through your moral nature. Good and evil.. Right and wrong.
