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Evolution Proven!

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As you realise I reject your embedded age idea because it is, well, self contradictory nonsense.
Only because you refuse to differentiate between existential age and physical age.
However if you are going to go down that route, I don't see how embedded evolution is any more of a problem than embedded age.
Embedded evolution would be Omphalos; and why would God embed evolution, then write that He did something else?
If God can embed 4.5 billion years of time on earth in 6,000 years, he can embed 3.5 billion years of evolution in there with it too.
He didn't 'embed 4.5 billion years of time on earth in 6,000 years', He embedded 4.5 billion years of age in the earth in the moment it was created.
 
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As far as i am aware the age came from the idea of a pope that if you count the generations seen in the bibel and add all of those up you come to atleast 4000 years.
Dont take my word for it though
He knows that, but his post is so full of errors about what I claim, he can't see it.

I had to color-code my reply just to sort it out.

The Allegory Method of interpretation does that to you.
 
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Only because you refuse to differentiate between existential age and physical age.
Given that age is how long something has physically existed there is no difference.

Embedded evolution would be Omphalos;
Your embedded age is Omphalos anyway, I don't see why that is a problem for you, other than the fact you don't like the term. You see, either your embedded age involved the passage of time, in which case you can include embedded evolution too, or it did not involve the passage of time, in which case, while you call it 'age' it is really something else that only has the appearance of age, and is pure Omphalos.

and why would God embed evolution, then write that He did something else?
Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
Why would God form me in my mother's womb through normal human biology and then claim he was a potter who made me out of clay?

He didn't 'embed 4.5 billion years of time on earth in 6,000 years', He embedded 4.5 billion years of age in the earth in the moment it was created.
A pretty long first day.
 
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Given that age is how long something has physically existed there is no difference.
Then don't give it that --- give it definition #4 in answers.com.

If you're not willing to do that, or if you want to argue definition #4, that's your prerogative; but don't expect me to kowtow to your reluctance.
 
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Then don't give it that --- give it definition #4 in answers.com.

If you're not willing to do that, or if you want to argue definition #4, that's your prerogative; but don't expect me to kowtow to your reluctance.
age: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com
n.
  • The length of time that one has existed; duration of life: 23 years of age.
  • The time of life when a person becomes qualified to assume certain civil and personal rights and responsibilities, usually at 18 or 21 years; legal age: under age; of age.
  • One of the stages of life: the age of adolescence; at an awkward age.
  • The state of being old; old age: hair white with age.
The state of being old... Wonder what that means.
old: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com
adj., old·er, old·est.
    1. Having lived or existed for a relatively long time; far advanced in years or life.
    2. Relatively advanced in age: Pamela is our oldest child.
Of course there are some meanings where old is used to describe something with the appearance of greater age, but that brings us back to Omphalos and God creating the world to look older than it actually was.
 
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Of course there are some meanings where old is used to describe something with the appearance of greater age, but that brings us back to Omphalos and God creating the world to look older than it actually was.
Suit yourself, Assyrian --- but don't expect me to kowtow to your reluctance.
 
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Someone is reluctant to misuse the word "age"? Amazing!
Interesting remark in light of the fact that I don't even use it in my definition of Embedded Age, isn't it?
 
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Interesting remark in light of the fact that I don't even use it in my definition of Embedded Age, isn't it?

Really? Then why did you bring up "existential age" vs. "physical age" or the definition of "age" from answers.com? That seemed to be what you and Assyrian were arguing about just now. In fact, that seems to be what every argument about embedded age eventually turns to. So, if age has nothing to do with embedded age, why do you use the term "embedded age"?
 
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If his definition of "age" is "the state of being old", I want to know what his definition of "old" is.
From answers.com:
4. Having or exhibiting the physical characteristics of age:
In Adam's case, the physical characteristics would be limited, for two reasons:

  1. Adam was perfect, thus no scratches, no weather-beaten marks, etc.
  2. Adam didn't grow to his initial age, he came into existence with his age embedded.
Thus Adam had the height, weight, and intellect of a 30-year old man, but without a history.

Adam was non-uniformitarian.
 
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