Evolution Proven!

[AV1611VET]

Is this where we start talking about belly buttons?

Have at it, if you want --- I'm game.

I wouldn't want to lose my reputation for derailing threads when I answer you guys' questions or remarks.

 

[AV1611VET]

and scars... and tree rings... and this same conversation loop again and again ad nausium.

Then don't bring it up, and I won't have to listen to it.

 

[Psudopod]

But why would you ignore it, rather than refute it? if it's wrong, it can be demonstrated as wrong. But if you just choose not to listen to it, it looks like your ideas can't be backed up and you're ignoring anything that goes against them.

 

[Nostromo]

Thus Adam had the height, weight, and intellect of a 30-year old man, but without a history.

Presumably also some of the life experience of a 30 year old, otherwise he'd struggle to walk and eat.

 

[AV1611VET]

Presumably also some of the life experience of a 30 year old, otherwise he'd struggle to walk and eat.

Except Adam was created in a glorified state.

 

[BananaSlug]

From answers.com:

So you are saying age is the state of being old and old is the state of having age? Do you have another definition that doesn't use circular reasoning?

Thus Adam had the height, weight, and intellect of a 30-year old man, but without a history.

Wrong. If he had the intellect of a 30-year old man, that would mean he had a history. Most of our intellect comes from our experiences over the years. To be truly free of any omphalos, Adam would need the height and weight of an adult with the intellect of a newborn.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wrong. If he had the intellect of a 30-year old man, that would mean he had a history.

Not Adam.

Most of our...

Not Adam.

... intellect comes from our experiences over the years.

I understand you want to talk about a past, a future --- anything but BC 4004 and Genesis 1 --- but it won't work.

You'll end up causing yourself to go 404, then blame me for it.

To be truly free of any omphalos, Adam would need the height and weight of an adult with the intellect of a newborn.

Embedded knowledge --- such a terrible thing to waste.

 

[BananaSlug]

Not Adam.Not Adam.

Why not?

I understand you want to talk about a past, a future --- anything but BC 4004 and Genesis 1 --- but it won't work.

I have 25 years of intellect based on what I have learned in the 25 years of my life. What, in your definition, is a "30-year-intellect"? You have already associated it with the passage of time by calling it the "intellect of a 30-year-old".

You'll end up causing yourself to go 404, then blame me for it.Embedded knowledge --- such a terrible thing to waste.

So what is a "30-year-old intellect"?

 

[Nostromo]

Embedded knowledge --- such a terrible thing to waste.

Out of curiosity, what's the specific source for him having the intellect of a 30 year old?

 

[AV1611VET]

Out of curiosity, what's the specific source for him having the intellect of a 30 year old?

God.

Remember, He put Adam in the Garden to tend it.

That says Adam had knowledge of botany.

God also had Adam name the animals.

That says Adam had knowledge of zoology.

 

[Nostromo]

God.

But where did you pull 30 from?

And why does God need a gardener?

 

[CoderHead]

I still don't see where you get 30 years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

But where did you pull 30 from?

I still don't see where you get 30 years old.

That's actually a good question.

I used to say 20, until someone pointed out 30 for a reason I can't remember.

In any event, whatever Adam's age was at the time of his creation, he was a full-grown mature adult.

And why does God need a gardener?

He doesn't --- He simply gave Adam employment.

Contrary to popular thought, we're not going to be sitting on clouds strumming harps for eternity.

QV the parable of the talents.

 

[Nostromo]

He doesn't --- He simply gave Adam employment.

...

So he creates an unemployment problem then fixes it?

G - "Hey Adam, wake up buddy, look at this beautiful garden I made for you."

A - "Wow, for me, really?"

G - "Here's your spade"

A - "*^&$"

What's the thinking behind an omnipotent being creating a subservient to do busy work?

 

[Doveaman]

So you are saying age is the state of being old and old is the state of having age? Do you have another definition that doesn't use circular reasoning?

Here, let me help:

Based on redshift = distance/velocity theory, the universe is 13.7 billion years old with 78 billion years of age embedded within it.

So AV’s conclusion of embedded age would seem to be scientifically probable.

 

[Nostromo]

Based on redshift = distance/velocity theory, the universe is 13.7 billion years old with 78 billion years of age embedded within it.

Unfortunately that's just not true.

The furthest stars appear to be 78 billion light years away. If the light wasn't red-shifted we'd think the light had taken 78 billion years to reach us and the universe would appear that old. The fact that it is red-shifted makes it appear to us that the universe is expanding and therefore the light didn't need that long to reach us. The universe looks about 13.7 billion years old, these things being taken into account.

 

[Doveaman]

Unfortunately that's just not true.

The furthest stars appear to be 78 billion light years away. If the light wasn't red-shifted we'd think the light had taken 78 billion years to reach us and the universe would appear that old. The fact that it is red-shifted makes it appear to us that the universe is expanding and therefore the light didn't need that long to reach us.

So the light that determines the 13.7 billion years of age, isn't that light red-shifted also?

The universe looks about 13.7 billion years old

How did you determine that? What makes it look that way?

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[pgp_protector]

So the light that determines the 13.7 billion years of age, isn't that light red-shifted also?
How did you determine that? What makes it look that way?

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IIRC The Spectrograph of the Light is one way that they use.

ETA.
You can do this yourself if you wish.
http://skyserver.sdss.org/dr1/en/proj/basic/universe/redshifts.asp

 

[BananaSlug]

That's actually a good question.

I used to say 20, until someone pointed out 30 for a reason I can't remember.

In any event, whatever Adam's age was at the time of his creation, he was a full-grown mature adult.He doesn't --- He simply gave Adam employment.

Contrary to popular thought, we're not going to be sitting on clouds strumming harps for eternity.

QV the parable of the talents.

I have 25 years of intellect based on what I have learned in the 25 years of my life. What, in your definition, is a "30-year-intellect"? You have already associated it with the passage of time by calling it the "intellect of a 30-year-old".

 

[Nostromo]

Since memories are stored via some chemical process I suppose it's not a great stretch to say that if he created all this he could create a man with preexisting memories.

Personally I'm confused as to why any of this would be done. I'm continually told that religion has answers whereas science only has ever more questions. It seems to me that religion is equally guilty in this respect, insert God as an intermediate and simply pushing the "why" and "how" questions one step further along.

There's also His apparent deception as AV pointed out:
"Embedded evolution would be Omphalos; and why would God embed evolution, then write that He did something else?"

If God would lie about the age of the stars, falsify evidence for the dinosaurs and hide evidence of the flood, why wouldn't he lie about evolution, and why would you trust him to pass down the unmitigated facts in your preferred book?

It might be easier to pick and choose which lies are real and only have to utter the word "faith" as a defence, but wouldn't it make more sense to think that what you can see and hear and touch is reality?