Evolution is a Fact

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You consider yourself an expert on God's Word? I will be the first to admit that I fall short of living by every Word from the mouth of God, but I am a work in progress as it states in Philippians 1:6.

God forbid a non-Christian might actually have read and comprehended the Bible.

By the way Apes are dying without hearing God's Word. If you feel so inclined and know God's Word (will) shouldn't you get busy.

Apes don't have souls

Not to be sarcastic but water baptism usually follows conversion. Bring a camera would ya, I am sure it would be popular on You Tube. Of course you know how foolish this sounds? Can you spot the difference yet? The uniqueness of us over apes?

That is rather..... rude.
 
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You seem to have missed the part about Darwin being 150 years dead, and science having advanced since he wrote that letter. Try again, kid. :wave:

You've already tried this fallacy, you should try another one from the Creationist repertoire just for variety, at least.

You're the kid unless you listed your age in dog years or something like that. Is that 20 human years - or what?

"And the salient fact is this: if by evolution we mean macroevolution (as we henceforth shall), then it can be said with the utmost rigor that the doctrine is totally bereft of scientific sanction. Now, to be sure, given the multitude of extravagant claims about evolution promulgated by evolutionists with an air of scientific infallibility, this may indeed sound strange. And yet the fact remains that there exists to this day not a shred of bona fide scientific evidence in support of the thesis that macroevolutionary transformations have ever occurred." Wolfgang Smith, Teilhardism and the New Religion (Rockford., Ill.: Tan Books, 1988 ), pp. 5-6. Dr. Smith, taught at MIT and UCLA.
 
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Considering that there is no species of ape that is deaf, then I'd say they're not ruled out at all.

And btw, "Word" refers to Christ -- "word" is the Bible. let's not make the idolatry any more obvious than it already is, mmmkay?


I am curious then in light of this verse when Jesus says in:

Jonh 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So now this "way" and "truth" and "life" does it have anything to do with as you say the "word" is the Bible?
 
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Worshipping a book written by men is called Idolatry. If you want to admit to doing this, then that is fine by me. No, I do not worship On the Origin of Species. In fact, I will go on record as saying that On the Origin of Species is flawed and wrong in some instances. Will you say that about your idol, the Bible?

Mark 13:24
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

And earlier in the Chapter it says:


Romans 10:8-11
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Now in light of these verses one can clearly see the uniqueness and important differences between us and apes. For if faith comes by hearing the Word, that leaves the apes out, wouldn't you say?
I take it that your answer is no? You certainly have a roundabout way of saying so. In any case, I would therefore conclude that you worship The Bible, and I do not worship any book. Correct?
 
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You liked the last one so much, I thought I would be kind and share another one with you:

"…I am quite conscious that my speculations run beyond the bounds of true science…. It is a mere rag of an hypothesis with as many flaws & holes as sound parts." Charles Darwin to Asa Gray, cited by Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin, (New York: W.W. Norton and Company, 1991) pp. 456, 475.

I've got to give the guy some credit for partial honesty at least on this one occasion. = 1 Point. I would have given him 2 points for honesty if he had admitted that the theory of evolution doesn't resemble science at all.

I love all the ellipses in that quote! You are soooo honest. Satan must appreciate you. :clap:

btw.. How did you like my quote mine? And I didn't have to steal it from someone else's website. :preach:
 
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I love all the ellipses in that quote! You are soooo honest. Satan must appreciate you. :clap:

btw.. How did you like my quote mine? And I didn't have to steal it from someone else's website. :preach:

Hey, I've got a quote from Jesus!

"There [...] is no [...] God."

It's even in the Bible! So clearly Jesus was an atheist.
 
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I sure do.I sure don't.

Unlike you, I can understand it both ways, because I accept what's called Dispensation Theology.

You [evidently] don't, and thus cannot understand.
Well I do understand it two ways.


AV said:
Biblical meteorology trumps natural meteorology when God the Father is calling the shots; ...
Well if you take the straightforward interpretation, God is calling the shots all the time.

So you do reject meterological science.

With respect to ToE and Gen 1, theisitic evolutionists understand it "both" ways, apparently just like you understand it "both" ways.

(Besides, I thought you rejected science - which kind of makes sense with respect to your implicit rejection of meteorological science, even though you understand it "both ways".)



Regards, Roland
 
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Is it not so typical, when evolutionists see any scientist mentioning something against evolution they get all excited and disrespectful, they are afraid to read something else for a chance, this supports the fact why so many scientists are evolutionist, because they are so afraid to go against it!

Come on people, you were looking for educated people, now that I give them to you you get all agitated..........do you only respect scientists that support evolution? That tells it all!
The problem with your argument is that (some) scientists still support the idea that the sun and the rest of the solar system orbits the earth.

Therefore you should too?


Regards, Roland
 
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I am curious then in light of this verse when Jesus says in:

Jonh 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So now this "way" and "truth" and "life" does it have anything to do with as you say the "word" is the Bible?

It has everything to do with Jesus -- the Word.

Do let me know if there's any other basic theology I can help you with.
 
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Meshach said:
Now in light of these verses one can clearly see the uniqueness and important differences between us and apes. For if faith comes by hearing the Word, that leaves the apes out, wouldn't you say?
Not at all.

If you think an argument can be settled by you reading a book and from there telling us, "therefore it must be so", then we can do it too.

I suspect however, that you would think that we should not be allowed to do it, but only you.


Regards, Roland
 
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You're the kid unless you listed your age in dog years or something like that.

Hm. I suppose you have a point. I have no idea why you are babbling about "dog years" though.

Is that 20 human years - or what?

Use common sense.


"And the salient fact is this: if by evolution we mean macroevolution (as we henceforth shall), then it can be said with the utmost rigor that the doctrine is totally bereft of scientific sanction. Now, to be sure, given the multitude of extravagant claims about evolution promulgated by evolutionists with an air of scientific infallibility, this may indeed sound strange. And yet the fact remains that there exists to this day not a shred of bona fide scientific evidence in support of the thesis that macroevolutionary transformations have ever occurred." Wolfgang Smith, Teilhardism and the New Religion (Rockford., Ill.: Tan Books, 1988 ), pp. 5-6. Dr. Smith, taught at MIT and UCLA.

That's nice, they are welcome to their own opinion I suppose, but they are wrong and their claims are refuted in the light of actual research.
 
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The problem with your argument is that (some) scientists still support the idea that the sun and the rest of the solar system orbits the earth.

Therefore you should too?


Regards, Roland


Roland, give me one modern scientist who believe that! :thumbsup:
 
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Roland, give me one modern scientist who believe that! :thumbsup:

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What stuns us is that there are still people who believe in a Young Earth Creation. There is about as much evidence of a heliocentric solar system as Evolutionary Theory after all.
 
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And that is PART of the reason they ignore Jesus Christ, though He is proven to have actually been a person and folks saw him many days AFTER he was crucified and so the same type of person put gold in the empty tomb in order to hide the truth.

Same thing going on here. God is all around them, but they prefer to hide their heads in the dirt looking for bones.
Actual people claim to have seen all sorts of things and experienced all kinds of things. Not only that often these things are written down for others, including those of later generations to believe.

My bet is that you would reject 99% of these claims. If I am correct, then surely you can understand why folk don't necessarily agree with your interpretations nor the interpretations of your sources?



Regards, Roland
 
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Ok, so there is no theory to explain what happened before the Big Bang?{snip}

Is there a theory to describe what's north of the North pole? Is there a history book describing the United States of America printed prior to 1776? Is there a vegetarian recipie that only has dirt for the ingredients?

Scientists Admit:
Evolution Not Supported By Facts!

Oh my. A page of 20+ year old quote mines by Jack Chick (probably provided to him by felon Kent Hovind).

Hahahahahahahaha ;), if you look closer you will find that it is supported by scientists! :p

I'll take a closer look, but I'm betting each one of them is out of context or in some other way adulterated.

Oh look. A silly non-authoritative blog. Good job. I bet I could find another one just like that has proof that humans are descended from alien colonists from the constellation Pleaides

Actually it's the Jack Chick site. He got most of his anti-evolution non-sense from Hovind years ago meaning that as far as science goes, he doesn't know Jack.

...by Dr. Menton who received his Ph.D. in Biology from Brown University. He has been involved in biomedical research and education for over 30 years.

Shocking! A shill for Answers in Genesis doesn't accept evolution. Shocking!!!
 
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Roland, give me one modern scientist who believe that! :thumbsup:
How sure are you that you wish to go ahead with this Hawk007?

Occasionally when I put this to YECs I get told I am silly.

Try this link:-

Geocentric model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the relevant part:-

Above link said:
Individuals of some religions interpret their scriptures literally as stating that the Earth is the physical center of the universe. This requires the Sun to revolve around the Earth instead of the other way around because if the Earth were moving it could not continuously be in the center of the universe. This is known as modern geocentrism. Astrologers, while they may not believe in geocentrism as a principle, still employ the geocentric model in their calculations.[citation needed]

The contemporary Association for Biblical Astronomy, led by physicist Dr. Gerardus Bouw, holds to a modified version of the model of Tycho Brahe, which they call geocentricity.[12]

A study done in 2005 by Dr. Jon D. Miller of Northwestern University, an expert in the public understanding of science and technology,[13] found that one adult American in five thinks the Sun revolves around the Earth.[14]



Regards, Roland
 
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Originally Posted by Psudopod
No it's not. You said you would question their salvation because they are going against the bible. Where does the bible say you should deny God's handiwork?
God's handiwork? Evolution is fiction, and God does not deal in fiction...only man does that...man who thinks he is just as smart as God.

If God created the earth, then the earth is God's handiwork. Science is therefore the study of God's handiwork. Evolution is science, and provides predictions and valuble results used in many fields. The evidence is that if God created, he did it though evolution. Evolution is God's handiwork.
 
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