Evolution is a Fact

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rjw

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The Bible tells me I am right and that is all the proof I need.

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When folk tell me that their particular straightforward interpretation of Gen 1 (say), is the only correct one, because it comes straight from the Bible, I always ask if they accept Biblical meteorology rather than modern meteorological science.

The Old Testament has many verses in Job, Psalms, Nahum and Zechariah which are explicit - God directly causes rain, wind, snow, and frost (among other things.). That is, these daily weather phenomena are supernatural not natural phenomena in origin.


So your claim begs the question. Do you accept Biblical meteorology and reject meteorological science in exactly the same way you accept Biblical biology and reject biological science?



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You do understand that these words were written by fallible humans who happened to have a particular belief about a particular deity?

One more reason that everyone should hope that if they are ever on trial that the jury is made up of creationists. All you need to do is write a letter saying you didn't do it and they will believe it. Any DNA evidence, fingerprints, everything and anything is thrown out as evidence because it says in a letter that you didn't do it. It's simple, really.
 
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Do you accept Biblical meteorology...
I sure do.
... and reject meteorological science...
I sure don't.

Unlike you, I can understand it both ways, because I accept what's called Dispensation Theology.

You [evidently] don't, and thus cannot understand.

Biblical meteorology trumps natural meteorology when God the Father is calling the shots; but when God the Holy Spirit is the One calling the shots, things run a tad differently.
 
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How do you explain how these molecules came about, where is the intelligence? Are you suggesting everything develops from something that does not have the means to think like humans can for example? Even humans cannot make something similar, but you suggest it can be done by other molecules?

Do keep in mind that the reason molecules look the way they do is not miraculous. It is a realtively straight-forward matter of electrostatic attraction and repulsion.

Recently I've been tutoring chemistry students. One of the topics in first semester is "molecular geometry" and something called the VSEPR model. It explains why molecules take on the shapes they do. In addition there are numerous other attractive forces acting in large molecules. Hydrogen bonds, dipole-dipole interactions, London Dispersion forces.

Further, beyond that, in biochemistry, these relatively straightforward rules get compounded upon each other to explain why proteins fold the way they do. Why biomolecules looke the way they do.

It is, no doubt, comforting to some to see an arbitrary religious symbol in nature. Just as their are muslims who see the name of God written in random images (LINKY). (Interestingly enough in those cases, it is "text" that is miraculously shown rather than an image of a person. )

In the case of Laminin, if you find that inspiring rather than the absolutely fascinating underlying mechanisms for the form of a given molecule then that is good for you. Personally I find the complex protein folding and the more mundane and "simpler" rules underlying to be far more fascinating.
 
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I sure do.I sure don't.

Unlike you, I can understand it both ways, because I accept what's called Dispensation Theology.

You [evidently] don't, and thus cannot understand.

Biblical meteorology trumps natural meteorology when God the Father is calling the shots; but when God the Holy Spirit is the One calling the shots, things run a tad differently.

So we can predict the weather but if God wants it to snow in July, by gum, it's gonna snow in July.

So what reason is there to even bother predicting the weather?

What reason is there to even bother learning anything about the weather? It's going to be what God wants whenever God wants it that way.
 
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So we can predict the weather but if God wants it to snow in July, by gum, it's gonna snow in July.
That's right.
So what reason is there to even bother predicting the weather?
Because you don't live in Old Testament times.

The Holy Spirit is now calling the shots.
What reason is there to even bother learning anything about the weather?
It's your calling?
It's going to be what God wants whenever God wants it that way.
Can you think of a better Person to run the show?
 
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Biblical meteorology trumps natural meteorology when God the Father is calling the shots; but when God the Holy Spirit is the One calling the shots, things run a tad differently.

You act like God has Muliple Personality Disorder. :doh:
 
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Ok, so there is no theory to explain what happened before the Big Bang? I assume science could not observe any data so they are stuck?
So to say there is no God is not correct, because no one knows what happened before the BB or what caused it to explode. ;)
 
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Ok, so there is no theory to explain what happened before the Big Bang? I assume science could not observe any data so they are stuck?
So to say there is no God is not correct, because no one knows what happened before the BB or what caused it to explode. ;)
Evolutionists have it backward.

According to the Bible, the Big Bang is at the end of the universe, not the beginning:
2 Peter 3:10 said:
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 
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Well, when your God is a tri-part god with three distinct personalities that is a single God isn't that what you would expect?
Yup --- that's the spirit.

This is why you guys don't understand anything.
 
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Ok, so there is no theory to explain what happened before the Big Bang? I assume science could not observe any data so they are stuck?
So to say there is no God is not correct, because no one knows what happened before the BB or what caused it to explode. ;)

I'm curious how you get from one idea to the other? No Atheist I know of says God is not real because they believe in the big bang. :confused:
 
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Yup --- that's the spirit.

This is why you guys don't understand anything.

So if we don't understand something, you won't even try to explain it, then use pejorative language to describe our ignorance.

But when you don't understand something, and we do try to explain it, you revel in your willful ignorance with pride.
 
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So if we don't understand something, you won't even try to explain it, then use pejorative language to describe our ignorance.
Excuse me?

Challenges, QVs, repeating myself constantly, and begging you guys to answer my questions mean nothing, don't they?
But when you don't understand something, and we do try to explain it, you revel in your willful ignorance with pride.
If you knew the reason I don't understand, you wouldn't even bother to try to explain it to me.
 
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Ok, so there is no theory to explain what happened before the Big Bang? I assume science could not observe any data so they are stuck?
So to say there is no God is not correct, because no one knows what happened before the BB or what caused it to explode. ;)

Firstly, it didn't explode, it expanded.

Equally, no one can say the invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say Odin doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say Brahman doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say Zeus doesn't exist.
Equally no one can say Ra doesn't exist.

Equally, no one can say God does exist.
 
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Equally, no one can say the invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say Odin doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say Brahman doesn't exist.
Equally, no one can say Zeus doesn't exist.
Equally no one can say Ra doesn't exist.
I can --- I use Boolean Logic.
 
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Excuse me?

Challenges, QVs, repeating myself constantly, and begging you guys to answer my questions mean nothing, don't they?If you knew the reason I don't understand, you wouldn't even bother to try to explain it to me.

I understand it perfectly.

No matter how absurd, no matter how ridiculous, you try and justify everything you believe by saying "But it says it in the Bible!", and ignore all available evidence.

That really is the extent of it. Your QVs, your repetition, your questions, your challenges, everything, it all comes down to "It says it in the Bible!", without anything else even remotely logical to stand on.

Amirite?
 
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