Good reason to be an atheist?(moved from Christian Appologetics)

[Dharma Wheel]

No, no. Misunderstood.
In Christianity, one believes in Jesus "finds" value. The value is being with God. I am not more valuable than I was before I believe. The value is from God. I find value does not mean I "have" the value.

That seems somewhat unfair to both Christians and non-Christians in my opinion, however, that would still mean that a Christian still contains more value than a non-Christians; it just means that YHWH gives humans more value.

I prefer to think of all souls as equal just as the Awakened One did.

Yes, every HUMAN life is invaluable (but not animal life).

Who says? Why should ''animal'' life be less valuable than human life? As a Buddhist I must reject that notion.

But if no God, human life would not be valuable at all (think about one dumped with others in a massive grave).

Ah but which ''God''? YHWH is not the only god in the universe though Christians like to think he is. Still I accept that you are a believer in YHWH and thus you can only speak as a believer.

I just want to point out that the term ''God'' isn't Christian but Germanic heathen; ''God'' as a singular was used by English heathens as a term for Woden and the plural ''Godas'' or ''Gods'' in modern English was used to refer to all deities.

I would say that if I were an atheist, I would kill one hundred in order to get the one I want among them. This is a very logic consideration.

Then it is a good thing that you are not an atheist! Most atheists, like most humans, value life. Infact atheist don't usually believe in the afterlife and thus for them, life in this world is the only reality and thus believe that when you distinguish a life, it is gone forever. Logically atheists should not kill and a great deal of them don't for the reason I have stated.

 

[2 King]

I don't think my belief (or yours) changes reality in the slightest way, other than our imperfect perceptions.

I think it does, Mainly because, If it is true that Atheists and Agnostics believe that they just cease to exist after death, then they have more to lose than I do. Simply because, according to Christianity, When you die, you either go to heaven or hell, if I'm wrong. I just cease existence. If Atheists are wrong, they burn in hell. So who has more to lose?

 

[Rasta]

So my answer is: I don't know. I'd guess that when our physical body dies, we cease to exist.

 

[Rasta]

I think it does, Mainly because, If it is true that Atheists and Agnostics believe that they just cease to exist after death, then they have more to lose than I do. Simply because, according to Christianity, When you die, you either go to heaven or hell, if I'm wrong. I just cease existence. If Atheists are wrong, they burn in hell. So who has more to lose?

Pascal's wager is a poor piece of rhetoric. I'm about as worried as going to Christian hell as you are of going to Islam's hell. Are you worried about not dying with a sword in your hand thus effectively excluding you from Ragnarok? Are you worried about the annihilation of your soul from judgement from Anubis?

Of course not. Neither am I.

 

[Super_Rational]

Which leads me to ask, what do Atheists and Agnostics benefit when they die? where do they go?

Do you really need to ask? Most of us don't believe in an afterlife at all. Death doesn't care if you're christian, muslim, or anything else. After that, we cease to exist, just like before we were born, & just like every other living thing most christians believe have no soul or spirit or whatever.

 

[2 King]

Pascal's wager is a poor piece of rhetoric. I'm about as worried as going to Christian hell as you are of going to Islam's hell. Are you worried about not dying with a sword in your hand thus effectively excluding you from Ragnarok? Are you worried about the annihilation of your soul from judgement from Anubis?

Of course not. Neither am I.

Nah not worried at all. Maybe it's because I "Know" where I'm going.
I suppose you've never had a miracle in your life ever happen to you. Either that or you rationalize things that don't make any sense at all.

 

[2 King]

question: Does God exist?

 

[SiderealExalt]

It's the old Christian vs True Christan game. If a Christian appears to bring disrepute on Christianity, then they can't be true Christians. True Chritians protest abortion but they don't bomb abortion clinics. To be fair the arguement is used by almost all religions. True Muslims can't be terrorists, ect...

I don't know. The way some Christians are around here. Apparently ALL Muslims are evil and hate democracies, want to kill the infidel. To them at least.

 

[Super_Rational]

I think it does, Mainly because, If it is true that Atheists and Agnostics believe that they just cease to exist after death, then they have more to lose than I do. Simply because, according to Christianity, When you die, you either go to heaven or hell, if I'm wrong. I just cease existence. If Atheists are wrong, they burn in hell. So who has more to lose?

That's only if you are right. But if you didn't pick (or weren't brought up believing in) the right god, you're gonna burn, too. There are an awful lot of gods out there...hope you have the right one.

 

[Rasta]

Nah not worried at all. Maybe it's because I "Know" where I'm going.

Confidence in your own belief doesn't make belief true. Muslims also "know". Hindus also "know". Bahai "know". Jews "know" too. Strange that all of these "knowns" are different.

suppose you've never had a miracle in your life ever happen to you. Either that or you rationalize things that don't make any sense at all.

Now this is fundimentalist thinking. If I come to a different conclusion that you do, it must be that my rationilzation doesn't make sense. Feel free to point out any faulty reasoning in my argumentation. I'm guessing that this is really just a defense mechanism because you can't sufficiant argumentation that supports your claims.

 

[Rasta]

question: Does God exist?

I don't know. Based on the evidence we have at hand, I'd say it is highly unlikely.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Which leads me to ask, what do Atheists and Agnostics benefit when they die? where do they go?

Benefit? What pray tell is this benefit you ask? I was unaware I had to stoop to toady and beg for a handout when I'm on my deathbed. And when I am dead? Where will I go? I wont know, I'll be dead. Though I have a safe assumption I will be cremated, my ashes scattered in the Pacific Ocean as per my request. Heaven, Hell? I have no need or desire for myth, in good health or ill health.

 

[Isambard]

question: Does God exist?

Give me a coherent definition of God and then I'll be able to answer you.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Give me a coherent definition of God and then I'll be able to answer you.

You deserve a cookie.

 

[2 King]

which claims would these be?

And does God exist: yes or no?

 

[2 King]

Give me a coherent definition of God and then I'll be able to answer you.

Good thing I had this saved on Word then

1. God Is One
2. God Is Truth
3. God is Light
4. God is Love
5. God Is Infinite
6. God is All Knowing
7. God is Everywhere
8. God is All Powerful
9. God is Unequaled
10. God Is Perfect
11. God Is A Most Pure Spirit
12. God Is Invisible
13. God Does Not Have A Human Body
14. God Does Not Change
15. God Is Without Limit
16. God Is Eternal
17. God Is Incomprehensible
18. God Is The Almighty One
19. God Is Most Wise
20. God Is Most Holy
21. God Is Most Free
22. God Is Most Absolute
23. God Works According To His Will
24. God Receives Glory
25. God Is Most Loving
26. God Is Gracious
27. God Is Merciful
28. God Is Long-suffering
29. God Abounds In Goodness
30. God Is Forgiving
31. God Rewards Those Who Seek Him
32. God Is Just In All His Judgments
33. God Hates Sin
34. God Is the Creator
35. God Is Shepherd

 

[Super_Rational]

Nah not worried at all. Maybe it's because I "Know" where I'm going.

So did all the suicide bombers. I'm pretty sure they're still dead, though, & I bet you'd agree.

I suppose you've never had a miracle in your life ever happen to you. Either that or you rationalize things that don't make any sense at all.

Nope no miracles. I've certainly heard people claim that things were miracles which had perfectly good natural explanations. But it's amazing how much clearer things are when they're not seen through religion. Even more amazing was the ability of the religious to rationalize everything.[/QUOTE]

 

[SiderealExalt]

which claims would these be?

And does God exist: yes or no?

Aphrodite? Definitely.

But lets keep this on the down....I owe her money.

 

[SiderealExalt]

So did all the suicide bombers. I'm pretty sure they're still dead, though, & I bet you'd agree.



Nope no miracles. I've certainly heard people claim that things were miracles which had perfectly good natural explanations. But it's amazing how much clearer things are when they're not seen through religion. Even more amazing was the ability of the religious to rationalize everything.

[/quote]

I don't remember if it was this thread or not, when someone said Dostoevsky got it backwards. But the labeling of things as miracles is a good example of why yes, he did get it backwards.

 

[Rasta]

Good thing I had this saved on Word then

1. God Is One
2. God Is Truth
3. God is Light
4. God is Love
5. God Is Infinite
6. God is All Knowing
7. God is Everywhere
8. God is All Powerful
9. God is Unequaled
10. God Is Perfect
11. God Is A Most Pure Spirit
12. God Is Invisible
13. God Does Not Have A Human Body
14. God Does Not Change
15. God Is Without Limit
16. God Is Eternal
17. God Is Incomprehensible
18. God Is The Almighty One
19. God Is Most Wise
20. God Is Most Holy
21. God Is Most Free
22. God Is Most Absolute
23. God Works According To His Will
24. God Receives Glory
25. God Is Most Loving
26. God Is Gracious
27. God Is Merciful
28. God Is Long-suffering
29. God Abounds In Goodness
30. God Is Forgiving
31. God Rewards Those Who Seek Him
32. God Is Just In All His Judgments
33. God Hates Sin
34. God Is the Creator
35. God Is Shepherd

This is a congnotive dissonent mess. Number 17 invalidates all of the other claims.