Good reason to be an atheist?(moved from Christian Appologetics)

[SiderealExalt]

Good thing I had this saved on Word then

1. God Is One
2. God Is Truth
3. God is Light
4. God is Love
5. God Is Infinite
6. God is All Knowing
7. God is Everywhere
8. God is All Powerful
9. God is Unequaled
10. God Is Perfect
11. God Is A Most Pure Spirit
12. God Is Invisible
13. God Does Not Have A Human Body
14. God Does Not Change
15. God Is Without Limit
16. God Is Eternal
17. God Is Incomprehensible
18. God Is The Almighty One
19. God Is Most Wise
20. God Is Most Holy
21. God Is Most Free
22. God Is Most Absolute
23. God Works According To His Will
24. God Receives Glory
25. God Is Most Loving
26. God Is Gracious
27. God Is Merciful
28. God Is Long-suffering
29. God Abounds In Goodness
30. God Is Forgiving
31. God Rewards Those Who Seek Him
32. God Is Just In All His Judgments
33. God Hates Sin
34. God Is the Creator
35. God Is Shepherd

Oh ok I got it now. God is Steve Mcqueen.

 

[Super_Rational]

Good thing I had this saved on Word then

I will say I have to agree w/ #12 on the list.

 

[2 King]

Question: What is Religion?

 

[Rasta]

Question: What is Religion?

Religion has existed for hundreds of thousands of years many various forms as a means to explain significance in a crazy world. As human society changes, religion changes to suit the needs of humans.

Humans are an inquisitive bunch, when we don't know an answer, we make one up instead, then call it knowledge.

 

[2 King]

This is a congnotive dissonent mess. Number 17 invalidates all of the other claims.

Not so, (I take it you don't care about scripture but ill post it anyway to appease my ego ) :"Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!"- Romans 11:33
"Great is the LORD and most worthy of praise; his greatness no one can fathom."- Psalm 145:3

I will say I have to agree w/ #12 on the list.

I'm certain you don't care about scripture either. But i'll post it anyway.
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen."- 1 Timothy 1:17

 

[Rasta]

Not so, (I take it you don't care about scripture but ill post it anyway to appease my ego )

Ok. Go ahead then.

 

[2 King]

Religion has existed for hundreds of thousands of years many various forms as a means to explain significance in a crazy world. As human society changes, religion changes to suit the needs of humans.

Humans are an inquisitive bunch, when we don't know an answer, we make one up instead, then call it knowledge.

So basically your saying its whatever you feel is right?

 

[Rasta]

So basically your saying its whatever you feel is right?

Yes. Not in an absolute sense, but on a subjective scale. This is percisely why so many different religions exist. If religion was based on provable facts, there would only be one religion, one denomination, one interpretation.

 

[2 King]

Yes. Not in an absolute sense, but on a subjective scale. This is percisely why so many different religions exist. If religion was based on provable facts, there would only be one religion, one denomination, one interpretation.

This itchs so many questions on my part
Hitler felt killing Jews was right. He was wrong. The Bible says that the heart is deceitful and untrustworthy (Jeremiah 17:9). If you could come to know truth by what you felt, then the Bible, which is the revelation of God, didn't need to be written. But it has been written, and it has revealed that only God is the Source of truth, not your feelings.

 

[2 King]

Secondly, I've never known truth to contradict itself. What if someone felt that something was right, and another person felt it was wrong? Would they both be right? If your statement is true, then how could there be a contradiction like that, if feelings determined truth?

 

[SiderealExalt]

Secondly, I've never known truth to contradict itself. What if someone felt that something was right, and another person felt it was wrong? Would they both be right? If your statement is true, then how could there be a contradiction like that, if feelings determined truth?

Take this test:Jump off a ten story building, thinking the truth to yourself is you'll float by way of the magical zu zu people keeping you aloft. And see how it works out.

 

[Rasta]

This itchs so many questions on my part

Feel free to ask.

Hitler felt killing Jews was right. He was wrong.

I agree. Though, I believe morality is also subjective. We would all say that killing a child is evil. What if a bear kills a child, is that evil? We would all say no. How can that be? Isn't morality an absolute?

The Bible says that the heart is deceitful and untrustworthy (Jeremiah 17:9). If you could come to know truth by what you felt, then the Bible, which is the revelation of God, didn't need to be written. But it has been written, and it has revealed that only God is the Source of truth, not your feelings.

Why do so many different religions exist, if it's so cut and dry?

 

[Isambard]

God Is Truth

Truth in regards of what? Statement are true or false.

God is Light

Light is electromagnetic radiation, particularly radiation of a wavelength that is visible to the human eye (about 400–700 nm, or perhaps 380–750 nm.[1]) In physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.
Light - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

God is Love

Awsome. Define "love" for me.

God Is Infinite

Neither love nor light is infinite.

God is All Knowing

God is Everywhere

Contradicts #3

God is All Powerful

Where does this power come from, and how does it work?

God is Unequaled

In regards to what?

God Is Perfect

Perfect in what sense?

God Is A Most Pure Spirit

Define 'spirit', then define a 'most pure spirit'

God Is Invisible

Invisible in that our eyes cant registerhis wavelength (which would contradict God = Light)?

Or invisible in that there is absolutely no way to detect him (contradiction God=light, God is love)?

Both of these would contradict God is everywhere

God Is Incomprehensible

This contradicts your entire list

God Is The Almighty One

This is just a rehash of God is One/God is all powerful

God Is Most Wise

Wisdom defined as what?

God Is Most Holy

Define holiness

God Is Most Free

Meaning what?

God Is Most Absolute

Meaning what?

God Works According To His Will

This contradicts God is one, and God is allpowerful as even humans can work without their will.

God Receives Glory

From who and from what?

God Is Most Loving

Redundant statement if God is Love

God Is Long-suffering

Meaning what?

God Abounds In Goodness

Meaning what?

God Is Forgiving

What does he forgive?

God Rewards Those Who Seek Him

If God is everywhere, then it would be impossible not to find him

God Is Just In All His Judgments

This assumes a higher moral code that God is bound by contradicting God is all powerful

God Hates Sin

Contradicts God is love

God Is the Creator

Contradicts God is Light and God is Love as both have origins.

God Is Shepherd

Meaning what?

 

[Rasta]

Secondly, I've never known truth to contradict itself. What if someone felt that something was right, and another person felt it was wrong? Would they both be right? If your statement is true, then how could there be a contradiction like that, if feelings determined truth?

This is why I said it is not on an absolute scale but a subjective scale. I think every religion is wrong, when it comes to facts. I was seeking to answer the question as it pertains to humans choosing/creating religion. I don't believe feelings determine truth. Facts determine truth.

 

[2 King]

Truth in regards of what? Statement are true or false.

Truth in regards to "True God"

Light is electromagnetic radiation, particularly radiation of a wavelength that is visible to the human eye (about 400–700 nm, or perhaps 380–750 nm.[1]) In physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.
Light - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Meaining in Him there is no Darkness at all,

Awsome. Define "love" for me.

"We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them."- 1 John 4:16

Neither love nor light is infinite.

God is infinite, God is love, therefore Love is infinite, God is light, Therefore, since God is infinite, light then is infinite

Contradicts #3

Could you elaborate on how this is so?

Where does this power come from, and how does it work

His Arm. He made Heaven and Earth with it.

In regards to what?

Isaiah 40:13-25

Perfect in what sense?

1 Kings 8:27
Psalm 139

Define 'spirit', then define a 'most pure spirit'

"For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”- John 4:24

Invisible in that our eyes cant registerhis wavelength (which would contradict God = Light)?
Or invisible in that there is absolutely no way to detect him (contradiction God=light, God is love)?

Both of these would contradict God is everywhere

Not so. "All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen."- 1 Tim. 1:17

This contradicts your entire list

Not so. In other sense, No one can measure his greatness.

This is just a rehash of God is One/God is all powerful

Really?
“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,”[a] says the Lord God. “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”- Revelation 1:8

Wisdom defined as what?

Wisdom Defined

Define holiness

Holiness Defined
In short: Holiness is like God in a way, It cannot be defined.

Meaning what?

"Our God is in the heavens, and he does as he wishes."- Psalm 115:3

Meaning what?

“I am the First and the Last;
there is no other God."- Isaiah 44:6

This contradicts God is one, and God is allpowerful as even humans can work without their will.

Explained in :Romans 8:28 and in Ephesians 1:11

From who and from what?

From all creation

Redundant statement if God is Love

"But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love. God showed how much he loved us by sending his one and only Son into the world so that we might have eternal life through him. This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins."- 1 John 4:8-10

Meaning what?

Psalm 86:15
"And remember, the Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him—"- 2 Peter 3:15

Meaning what?

Meaning He lavishes goodness on those who come to you for protection, blessing them before the watching world.

What does he forgive?

Sin

If God is everywhere, then it would be impossible not to find him

Click this one for more details Hebrews 11:6

This assumes a higher moral code that God is bound by contradicting God is all powerful

Not so, it dosen't contridict all powerful.
Nehemiah 9:32-33

Contradicts God is love

How?

Contradicts God is Light and God is Love as both have origins.

See Light and Love

 

[2 King]

one cannot say there is no coherent defenition of God because one does not know all definitions of God.

 

[Rasta]

one cannot say there is no coherent defenition of God because one does not know all definitions of God.

One can say that all of the known definitions of god don't make sense.

 

[2 King]

One can say that all of the known definitions of god don't make sense.

Granted.

Do you doubt that the Gospels are valid?

and

Is there such a thing as absolute truth?

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

2 King's Posts are very good, He states everything the way it should be.

One thing as to How do we know our GOD is right, How do we know other gods are wrong?

Well, you can take all the religions that cannot account for the Origins of the universe and Life & Death out of the picture because If any religion does not give an explanation for this then you can exclude this religion and their god(s) out of the picture, because What good would that be to not even know why we have life/death and the origins of the universe that a god(s) cannot account for?

For every Effect there is a Cause. The cause of Death is that we die and never return but in other worldviews besides the Biblical creation worldview, What is the Cause of death? Not "Causes" like guns,poverty etc... but "Cause" ? How and Why is there a "cause" to death?

Same thing for "Life" The effect of life is that we are living here on earth, but What is the "Cause" of life? How and Why do we have "life" ??

The singularity that Evolutionists talk about had to come from a creator, Because the singularity is made from "mass" and ("energy" or "Matter") but to have Energy you have to have "time" and "space" where did this "space" come from and Where did the "time" come from in order to create this "space" ?? And really what truly is the probability that this presupposition is 100% genuine knowledge of how this Universe came about? Evolutionists have no good 'evidence' for how this truly is the origin of the universe, but the biblical creation worldview is able to account for everything that is created, because it lines up perfectly with the Word of GOD. Biblical creation can give an account for Creation and Life/Death that Evolution cannot. Biblical Creation lines right up with the Preconditions of Intelligibility as Evolution and their worldview and other worldviews do not, because in order for Evolutionists and other people to even make an argument against creation or the origin of mankind, they have to assume the preconditions of intelligibility but that would make the Evolutionists Irrational and not internally consistent within their worldview because only Biblical creation can account for the preconditions of Intelligibility, 1. We have "absolute morality" and Evolutionists do not have this as "2 King" has proved already, and to argue against Creation even a little bit, The have to assume the uniformity of nature, and Laws of Logic because such reasoning that they use comes from the preconditions of Intelligibility. Such beliefs as Evolution is a unlogical Fallacy that is just a hoax made up by man in the 1800's.

 

[Eudaimonist]

If it is true that Atheists and Agnostics believe that they just cease to exist after death, then they have more to lose than I do. Simply because, according to Christianity, When you die, you either go to heaven or hell, if I'm wrong. I just cease existence. If Atheists are wrong, they burn in hell. So who has more to lose?

When I die, I will cease to exist. When you die, you will cease to exist as well. We lose the exact same amount.

I know that you don't personally believe this, but it makes no sense to just believe whatever is alleged to grant the biggest benefits or helps one to avoid the biggest losses. Even if I really, really, really wanted to have 72 virgins in the afterlife, that doesn't mean that I should consider Muslims to actually get this payoff in some cosmic bet. Even if I really, really, really want to strike it rich, that doesn't mean that I should believe that a leprechaun's pot of gold actually exists under some rainbow.

The biggest flaw in Pascal's Wager, as I see it, is that it assumes that atheists have nothing to lose and everything to gain by becoming Christians. However, they have something fundamentally important to lose -- their integrity. Nothing is worth that.


eudaimonia,

Mark