Boy! I Never had nude models when I was 14

[Wiccan_Child]

I don't know if this has been covered because I haven't read through the thread yet but for those who support this or approve of it, would you allow your 14 year old to be the model? If not why the change?

From a purely aesthetic point of view, yes. But there are the obvious risks of paedophilia: advertising that your class will be using a nude 14 year old as a model is going to attract them far and wide.

That said, I remember a few years back that there was a documentary on human growth (from conception to grave), and there were two episodes on puberty (male and female). These included footage of the chest and genitalia of two models as they aged from pre- to post- puberty, completely uncensored.
Interestingly, they also showed a penis becoming erect, but, because of the censers, could only show it using thermal imaging. Why do we in the UK have such a hangup about erections, but not, it seems, about pre-pubescent genitals?

 

[Washington]

I don't know if this has been covered because I haven't read through the thread yet but for those who support this or approve of it, would you allow your 14 year old to be the model? If not why the change?

That's an entirely different issue. Looking at something is far different than doing it. Let's stay on track here, Okay!

 

[Bampot]

I would hope my 14-year-old would be mature enough not to giggle and point. I'm going to do my best as a parent to show my child that their body is nothing to be ashamed of. That's the human form is a beautiful thing. Although, I have to agree with Mystman on this one.

If the class was already full before they introduced the naked models, and they honestly just switched to naked models for purely artistic/educational reasons, then I don't have a problem with it.

As for the Christians opposing, isn't the human body made in Gods image? So isn't appreciating it akin to appreciating the work of God?

 

[drstevej]

Came across this interesting little offering from the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

2008 - 2009 Pre-College Saturday School
The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts has been providing quality arts education to Philadelphia area students for more than 100 years.

About the Pre-College Saturday School: The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts offers college-level courses designed specifically for high school students in grades 9 through 12. Courses are offered in fine arts, crafts, design, media, writing, and communication.

Nude Models
Many of the Pre-College Saturday School courses use nude models to help students build a strong foundation of observational skills. Students should anticipate the use of nude models in the following courses: Drawing I, Drawing II, Painting I, Painting II, Portfolio Preparation, Figure Drawing, Figure Sculpture, and Watercolor Painting. Students are expected to behave with maturity and professionalism in the presence of a model.

source​

So, what do you think: would you allow your 14 yo daughter to gaze at a naked man, or let your son carefully look over a naked woman?

Appropriate offering for kids this age or not?

I don't think so

 

[LightHorseman]

I don't think so

Why not?

 

[Bombila]

There are broad cultural differences in acceptance of non-pornographic nudity. I think among Western nations, the US is the most prudish, and at the same time the most insistent on sexualizing the nude - often just for advertising purposes. Other countries are not so bothered by nudes, and don't associate 'nude' with 'want sex now!'

I personally think it is unhealthy to be so obsessed with the sexuality of naked bodies - after all, only a small portion of a nude consists of genitalia.

In the past I took lots of classes with nude models, and really, even a very good-looking model is unlikely to provoke sexual feelings, even in a giggly fourteen year old, when you are concentrating on drawing their lumps and bumps with accuracy, and usually have an instructor wandering from easel to easel commenting on your progress and technique.

 

[MoonLancer]

I don't know if this has been covered because I haven't read through the thread yet but for those who support this or approve of it, would you allow your 14 year old to be the model? If not why the change?

well not publicly because that could cause some unwanted attention. However for private and legitimate fine artists it may be ok, given the circumstance, is hard to quantify and probably should be done on a case by case basses.

In other words its hard to say but in some circumstances it may be ok given its not public.

 

[Uncle Tommy]

That's an entirely different issue. Looking at something is far different than doing it. Let's stay on track here, Okay!

I believe I am perfectly on track. If you allow your 14 year old to view nudity but you are not willing to allow them to expose their own nudity then you allowing them to objectify those who do.

 

[Uncle Tommy]

well not publicly because that could cause some unwanted attention. However for private and legitimate fine attests it may be ok, given the circumstance, is hard to quantify and probably should be done on a case by case baseses.

In other words its hard to say but in some circumstances it may be ok given its not public.

I'm speaking of the exact same circumstances, a Saturday morning advertised public viewing. If you would not be willing to allow them to pose, why would you allow them to view?

 

[bliz]

A friend of my daughter's took a live drawing class while in high school. I asked her about her experience and she said: "For the first 10 minutes I was frozen and my brain was screaming at me "There's a naked man up there! A NAKED MAN! This naked man is REALLY naked!" But once I started to work, it was all about shape and shadow."

This isn't a class for everyone, but for students who are serious about art.

 

[Washington]

I believe I am perfectly on track. If you allow your 14 year old to view nudity but you are not willing to allow them to expose their own nudity then you allowing them to objectify those who do.

So, in order to prevent people from objectifying others all we need do is make sure they are just like the people they might objectify; because as we all know, if we aren't like others we automatically objectify them.

By your logic here, letting your 14 year-old watch a sky-diving performance you would then necessarily want her to jump out of planes so she wouldn't be tempted to objectify sky-divers. Or how about watching an alligator wrestler? Same thing?

Give me a break!

 

[MoonLancer]

I'm speaking of the exact same circumstances, a Saturday morning advertised public viewing. If you would not be willing to allow them to pose, why would you allow them to view?

in this society in today's age, i don't think we are mature or reasoned enough to allow a 14 year old to pose nude. We proverted the human body to an extent that it would not be a good idea if it was a public class. it may attract too much pedophilia.

 

[MoonLancer]

A friend of my daughter's took a live drawing class while in high school. I asked her about her experience and she said: "For the first 10 minutes I was frozen and my brain was screaming at me "There's a naked man up there! A NAKED MAN! This naked man is REALLY naked!" But once I started to work, it was all about shape and shadow."

This isn't a class for everyone, but for students who are serious about art.

yup, That's basically how it was for me. Only my first time the lady was 350 plus pounds. I really didn't get a chance to make the first time proverted, but it was truly shocking none the less. but after that 10 min moment its really all about form and shadow.

 

[LightHorseman]

There are broad cultural differences in acceptance of non-pornographic nudity. I think among Western nations, the US is the most prudish, and at the same time the most insistent on sexualizing the nude - often just for advertising purposes. Other countries are not so bothered by nudes, and don't associate 'nude' with 'want sex now!'

I personally think it is unhealthy to be so obsessed with the sexuality of naked bodies - after all, only a small portion of a nude consists of genitalia.

In the past I took lots of classes with nude models, and really, even a very good-looking model is unlikely to provoke sexual feelings, even in a giggly fourteen year old, when you are concentrating on drawing their lumps and bumps with accuracy, and usually have an instructor wandering from easel to easel commenting on your progress and technique.

Case in point... I linked to a news article discussing a controversy in Australian art... a NEWS article on a news website, not a pornographic site or anything like that, but it did contain an image that *shock horror* showed nipples. The link is no longer here. Draw what conclusions you will.

Mine, was that someone who accessed the link went "Gah! Nipples = Teh PORN!" even though the site and the article there discussing the controversy was about as legitimate and mainstream as you can get. *sigh*

 

[JCFantasy23]

Came across this interesting little offering from the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

2008 - 2009 Pre-College Saturday School
The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts has been providing quality arts education to Philadelphia area students for more than 100 years.

About the Pre-College Saturday School: The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts offers college-level courses designed specifically for high school students in grades 9 through 12. Courses are offered in fine arts, crafts, design, media, writing, and communication.

Nude Models
Many of the Pre-College Saturday School courses use nude models to help students build a strong foundation of observational skills. Students should anticipate the use of nude models in the following courses: Drawing I, Drawing II, Painting I, Painting II, Portfolio Preparation, Figure Drawing, Figure Sculpture, and Watercolor Painting. Students are expected to behave with maturity and professionalism in the presence of a model.

source​

So, what do you think: would you allow your 14 yo daughter to gaze at a naked man, or let your son carefully look over a naked woman?

Appropriate offering for kids this age or not?

I don't care. The nude body does not intimidate or scare me at all, and I don't want it to with my children either.

 

[MoonLancer]

Case in point... I linked to a news article discussing a controversy in Australian art... a NEWS article on a news website, not a pornographic site or anything like that, but it did contain an image that *shock horror* showed nipples. The link is no longer here. Draw what conclusions you will.

Mine, was that someone who accessed the link went "Gah! Nipples = Teh PORN!" even though the site and the article there discussing the controversy was about as legitimate and mainstream as you can get. *sigh*

I can sum it up on one word. prude.

Its truly sad the knee jerk some have to nudity.

so much for classical art huh?

 

[LightHorseman]

I can sum it up on one word. prude.

Its truly sad the knee jerk some have to nudity.

so much for classical art huh?

When I see the many people, especially here, who rail against ANY form of sensual artistic expression, let alone anything that shows a bare human, but especially female, form, it really makes me wonder what we went to all the trouble of having a renaisance for.

 

[Uncle Tommy]

So, in order to prevent people from objectifying others all we need do is make sure they are just like the people they might objectify; because as we all know, if we aren't like others we automatically objectify them.

By your logic here, letting your 14 year-old watch a sky-diving performance you would then necessarily want her to jump out of planes so she wouldn't be tempted to objectify sky-divers. Or how about watching an alligator wrestler? Same thing?

Give me a break!

Indeed it would be objectifying both the skydivers and the alligator wrestler. But I somehow think you have missed the point, or are purposely ignoring it.

If it is acceptable to allow a 14 year old view a live nude model then there is no good reason to not allow the same 14 year old to pose as one. Assuming of course that it be legal.

 

[LightHorseman]

Indeed it would be objectifying both the skydivers and the alligator wrestler. But I somehow think you have missed the point, or are purposely ignoring it.

If it is acceptable to allow a 14 year old view a live nude model then there is no good reason to not allow the same 14 year old to pose as one. Assuming of course that it be legal.

I don't think that follows, actually.

We'd let 14 year olds see art we might not want them modeling for.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Indeed it would be objectifying both the skydivers and the alligator wrestler. But I somehow think you have missed the point, or are purposely ignoring it.

If it is acceptable to allow a 14 year old view a live nude model then there is no good reason to not allow the same 14 year old to pose as one.

Sure there is: an adult can give informed consent, a 14 year old cannot. We may allow them to view nude adult, but that doesn't mean we should allow them to pose nude themselves. Viewing a model is different to modelling.

I'd let my child view the following piece of art, but I would not let them recreate it themselves: