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Napalitano had to apologize for her treating the war vets like hostile terrorists....

The report did no such thing. To say so is a logical error, the same as if to say, "German Shepards are dogs. Ole Shep is a German Shepherd. Therefore all dogs are German Shepherds."

Homegrown right-wing terrorists DO recruit veterans, primarily because they're trained is use of arms and tend to come from the lumpenproliteriat. Likewise the common thread of many workplace mass murderers are that most are military veterans, primarily because people with veteran status are the largest minority who know how to shoot and reload. To imply that either is a slur on veterans is ridiculous. Of course the political manipulators said this to fool the gullible. They're not that stupid.

And actually Napolitano did not apologize for the report, she defended it.
 
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War veterans from any war you care to name have a small number of veterans who lose it when they come home and go postal. Just like saying identity Christians and anti abortionists can give rise to dangerous extremists. Its not rude, and its not something they need to apologise for, because its true. Identity Christians are nutters that make the KKK look well balanced. And there have been more terrorist attacks against abortion clinics and doctors than there have been by Muslim extremists in the US, so its not exactly unreasonable to point out that anti abortion groups might give rise to extremists either. So whats the problem with actually working out where potential threats might come from? You'd prefer the powers that be ignored the groups that you wish didn't generate a few extremists every now and then? (asked the Iraq veteran)

Anti-abortion groups aided and abetted the killer of Dr. Bernard Slepian and that's just the tip of the iceberg. There is collusion between the (nominally) law-abiding right and the violent right, just as there was between (nominally) law-abiding left groups and the violent left in the early 1970s. Homeland Security is right to investigate. The 70s left was infiltrated by agent; we should do no less with the 00s right.
 
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Socialism? Christ calls for his people to put a gun to everybody's head and command what they should or shouldnt have? Government know best? Here in California, our farms are going fallow because the eco nazis are forcing us to dump water for species protection. We lack power because eco nazis banned new power plants.
We disarm the innocent as we excuse the guilty. This is no defense of capitalism, the last thing one wants to do is to give the governmetn complet authority to determine what every household needs and doesnt need.

California growers have a history of oppression of their farmworkers and environmental despoilization that is all but unprecedented. In a democracy, we are the government, so whining about the government is merely a tactic of the opponents of democracy.
 
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the govt. has proven themselves incompetent -
God help this nation if the Govt. wants to control anything
vital to us.

Anything they touch falls apart. Yet even with that fact, they
still want to control everything. I've never seen people so
power hungry in my life.

It was the Bush Administration which passed the Patriot Act which gives the government unprecedented power to oppress us all. Your crocodile tears over the loss of freedom in this country are too little too late.
 
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It did list them, why else do you think the HS. secretary, Napalitano apologized publically
for this?

& you tell them that then - I'm sure they'll appreciate your support for
their service to the country as we stick them on security watch for their
extremist activity... deemed by leftist extremists. - the hypocrisy of it all

Napolitano did not apologize. The threat to the United States is from the Right and native-born.
 
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Attorneys have read that document and not only are pro lifer's a number one threat

The falsely-labeled pro-life movement is a major threat to freedom and security. They have their own terrorist arms including Operation Rescue and The "Army of God" which commit acts of murder and terrorism. Those attorneys who documented that are 100% right.

...they are targeting war vets...

False and disproven.

they are now redefining new targets as GREATER threat than the
radical Islamists that HAVE committed serious terror acts

The right-wing has certainly committed henious acts of terror itself and at this time it is the greater threat. Islamic radicals are a ragtag bunch living in caves and consuming pomergranates while the American right is fat and supported by rich christofascists.

and this is based on stats that don't even exist.{QUOTE]

False. www.splc.org

Why you don't understand the seriousness of this is beyond me. Maybe if you were a peaceful citizen and ended up on the list as a terror threat, you might care

The American far right are NOT peaceable citizens but terrorists and their abettors.
 
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The police only disarme th innocent while excusiong the guilty.

Which police department is this? Which innocent?

The Military is just another self serving corrupt government institution. I worship none of them.

No one should.
 
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What they do in thioer own bedrooms, no. When they demand we give welfare checks for the products of thier sexual immorlaity, demand we call it right when they come out of the bedroom and demand public affirmation, yes, we do cry out against it.

Who is this "we"? An unwed mother is no less moral than you are.

Depravity is not progress. Rampant sexual immorality is e another sign of a dying civilization.

Only to those uninformed about history.
 
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Texas Lynn, your comments about Christianity are offensive ("christofascist").

People (Christians) who believe that you shouldn't kill the unborn are not your enemy.

Abortion pictures, partial birth abortion photos, aborted babies


But those who would do THAT to a baby are murderers. Shame on you for your support in demanding the right to MURDER your helpless child!

Rev 9 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.


Maybe you should get on your knees and thank God that your mom didn't have the same beliefs that you do about babies!

Better yet, maybe you should get on your knees and repent before the One who has the power to throw you into HELL for your support of murder.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
 
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What they do in thioer own bedrooms, no. When they demand we give welfare checks for the products of thier sexual immorlaity, demand we call it right when they come out of the bedroom and demand public affirmation, yes, we do cry out against it.

Depravity is not progress. Rampant sexual immorality is e another sign of a dying civilization.
Tell me, what does "Free society" mean to you? How about "liberty"?
 
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Texas Lynn, your comments about Christianity are offensive ("christofascist").

People (Christians) who believe that you shouldn't kill the unborn are not your enemy.

Abortion pictures, partial birth abortion photos, aborted babies


But those who would do THAT to a baby are murderers. Shame on you for your support in demanding the right to MURDER your helpless child!

Rev 9 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.


Maybe you should get on your knees and thank God that your mom didn't have the same beliefs that you do about babies!

Better yet, maybe you should get on your knees and repent before the One who has the power to throw you into HELL for your support of murder.


Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
So... 72 hours passed, where's the retraction?
 
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Texas Lynn, your comments about Christianity are offensive ("christofascist").

That is not a comment about Christianity, just as Islamofascism is not a comment about Islam. Both are extremist factions of mainstream religions.

People (Christians) who believe that you shouldn't kill the unborn are not your enemy.

I never said they were. When they advocate bad public policy, like criminalizing abortion though, they are wrong.

But those who would do THAT to a baby are murderers. Shame on you for your support in demanding the right to MURDER your helpless child!

Murder is killing a living person. The term is not applicable to abortion.

Maybe you should get on your knees and thank God that your mom didn't have the same beliefs that you do about babies!

But she does.

Better yet, maybe you should get on your knees and repent before the One who has the power to throw you into HELL for your support of murder.

I've never advocated support of murder.
 
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Like other charlatans he'll probably revise the date.
Oh, I'm sure the false prophet will... but HisDaughterJen promised me that if 40 days passed after the prediction without something unambiguously Biblical happening, she'd acknowledge that she was wrong, that he was a false prophet, be generally contrite, and give me a hug no less.

I'm collecting my due...
 
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Alright, enough of the personal attacks. I know Jen means well, even if the dates may be a little off here or there. Haven't we all made mistakes at one time or another?

As for abortion, it is admittedly a tough issue and I would not support forced abortions the way the Chinese do. On the other hand, I understand their dilemma and I don't really support the idea of people having octuplets or having 18 kids, either. That's insane, but that's what you get when "freedom" runs amok.

I have never, and never would, force someone to have an abortion. But if they freely and willingly choose to do so, who am I to deny them that, either? If someone's momma don't want them, well..... it's sad. Maybe their soul can be reincarnated and they can be given a second chance at life. That being said, I support adoption and wish the government would do more to make adoption an economically viable option.
 
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Oh, I'm sure the false prophet will... but HisDaughterJen promised me that if 40 days passed after the prediction without something unambiguously Biblical happening, she'd acknowledge that she was wrong, that he was a false prophet, be generally contrite, and give me a hug no less.

I'm collecting my due...

Well, you are absolutely correct. The man said the warning was "URGENT" and "ABOUT TO HAPPEN". The longest amount of time for an "urgent warning" for something "about to happen" in the Bible that I can find is in Jonah and it was 40 days.

Unless, there's some Biblical basis for an urgent warning that is about to happen longer than 40 days, then ???

I've looked at fifty and seventy and I didn't see anything involving an urgent warning. There were certainly instructions involving those numbers but not an "urgent warning".

One man who has a ministry, backing David Wilkerson, said it could be months or years..but I don't see how a person can say that and still say its "urgent" and "about to happen" as well as "make sure you have 30 days food on hand".

So, it's not come to pass in a Biblical time frame for "urgent warnings" so it must not have been from the Lord. In my own mind, I'm going to slowly disregard it as 50 days and 70 days pass in case I'm missing something, Biblically. I appear to have been wrong about the warning and thinking it was true as well.

So, yes, I owe you a hug! The man appears to have indeed made a false prophecy, claiming that he heard something urgent and "about to happen" from the Lord that did not come to pass by Biblical standards. He's lost credibility. And Biblically, he should not be listened to anymore.

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The man appears to have indeed made a false prophecy, claiming that he heard something urgent and "about to happen" from the Lord that did not come to pass by Biblical standards. He's lost credibility. And Biblically, he should not be listened to anymore.

It could still happen, whatever it was.. i think a year is within.. 'urgent warning'.. if it hasn't happened by the end of this year..
 
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