Somebody has got to do something!

[Hockey_Fan]

Sure. I don't support Obama any more than I supported Bush.

I take no side in this conflict, except to perhaps see the capitalist system phased out in favor of a socialistic one.

I think the average citizen or private business is incapable of making the decisions necessary for the long-term benefit of society. Too many people are looking out only for their own interests. That is a big part of what created this mess and while I may not trust government to fix everything, the private sector sure as heck won't do it. At least government is somewhat accountable. Who is holding the private sector accountable?

 

[Nadiine]

Sure. I don't support Obama any more than I supported Bush.

I take no side in this conflict, except to perhaps see the capitalist system phased out in favor of a socialistic one.

I think the average citizen or private business is incapable of making the decisions necessary for the long-term benefit of society. Too many people are looking out only for their own interests. That is a big part of what created this mess and while I may not trust government to fix everything, the private sector sure as heck won't do it. At least government is somewhat accountable. Who is holding the private sector accountable?

The catalyst in the economy failing right now is the housing market.
Not Wall Street specifically - and we have Democrats who were
in charge of that debacle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg

If the housing hadn't have collapsed, I highly doubt these bailouts
would of started up for Lehman Bros., banks or AIG.

Even then, the "wisdom" of the Obama Admin. kicks in with Geitner
KNOWING in advance about the AIG bonuses, and ok'ing it &
going thru w/ the bailout anyway with full knowledge.

Then when it becomes publicized, the admin. runs to attack
AIG & execs. for the bonuses! The incompetency just blows
my mind in all this. Just demonize AIG so people focus on them
instead of Geitner's botch up. THAT is why the bonuses
went out - they could of withheld them if the bailout $
stipulated that they couldn't be given bonus $ out of it.



It all adds up to a man that can't lead & has picked IDIOTS
for the positions he's put them in.
Napalitano had to apologize for her treating the war vets
like hostile terrorists.... it's just abysmal.

This is why I'm just furious and frankly, very worried for
America - this hasn't even been 100 days in office yet!
God help us for what's in store 3+ more years.


.....

 

[LightHorseman]

How is the current financial crisis Obama's fault?

And please more information on treating veterans as terrorists?

 

[Nadiine]

How is the current financial crisis Obama's fault?

And please more information on treating veterans as terrorists?

who said it's his fault???

nobody. That certainly doesn't excuse his POOR response and
errors in handling what does have before him.
During his campaign, he repeatedly spoke about how he could
"fix" this "crisis"... so it IS on him what he's doing to fix it.
which is actually doing just the opposite in the long term.

The reason you have to ask for information is becuz your left wing
media REFUSES to report the negatives of this admin.,
so you'll essentially be clueless on the real facts unless you go to
other news sources that aren't following Obama as their
glorified Pied Piper

 

[LightHorseman]

who said it's his fault???

Well it looked like you were, but OK, if you aren't, I must have misunderstood you.

nobody. That certainly doesn't excuse his POOR response and
errors in handling what does have before him.
During his campaign, he repeatedly spoke about how he could
"fix" this "crisis"... so it IS on him what he's doing to fix it.
which is actually doing just the opposite in the long term.

So, how would YOU fix this crisis? What SHOULD he be doing?

The reason you have to ask for information is becuz your left wing
media REFUSES to report the negatives of this admin.,
so you'll essentially be clueless on the real facts unless you go to
other news sources that aren't following Obama as their
glorified Pied Piper

My left wing media?

OK...

Um, so, anyway, are you going to tell me about veterans being treated as terrorists, or are you just going to rant against the media some more?

 

[Nadiine]

Well it looked like you were, but OK, if you aren't, I must have misunderstood you.So, how would YOU fix this crisis? What SHOULD he be doing?My left wing media?

First off, he shouldn't of bailed out AIG (with bonuses and all),
and with all the overloaded PORK projects that don't stimulate
economy any.

how about the car companies? GM takes the $$ is still going to have
to file for bankruptcy -
Calif. takes the $$ and still raises income, sales & vehicle taxes --
banks take the $$ and still raise their credit card & bank fees on us

So we pay TWICE to get them going again?

When a company does poorly in business, you let the company
fail becuz they couldn't do the job. When you let the financial
system regulate itself by falling, you have STRONGER economy
becuz those who succeed pick up that slack as others go to
them instead.
that's how business works. Money transfers and shifts -
when one goes down, others thrive as it gets rerouted.
I've heard financial experts explain this & it's true.

I wouldn't overhaul the health care system to a socialist system
either. (it's also not the source of the economic trouble - it
will create trouble instead).
All they need to do is cap fees & find ways to make it AFFORDABLE
for the majority.

I'd move to a fair tax system where everyone donated to pay
taxes thru purchases - not forcing (penalizing) people who work
hard and pay their bills to absorb the full brunt of the tax
burden.

Um, so, anyway, are you going to tell me about veterans being treated as terrorists, or are you just going to rant against the media some more?

There's plenty to rant about - no wonder I buried my head in the
sand for so long w/ politics. Every time I pop up to see what's
actually going on, the more incompetence and corruption I see.

I'm fed up with all of them on both sides.

K, I need to clarify that I never said the war veterans were
'being treated' as terrorists.
I said they were listed as serious terrorist threats on the Homeland
Security report. (along w/ pro lifers)

There's another thread on this topic that you can check out
for the information & report link -
and here's what the ACLJ has mailed out along w/ an interview
of Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ on this subject:

I was skeptical. Now I'm outraged. You should be, too.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has labeled you, a member of the pro-life community, THE MOST DANGEROUS DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

The DHS warning entitled: ''Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment'' is so troubling that at first, I actually didn't believe that Homeland Security could issue such a document.

But it's true. We've verified it. And make no mistake, this unconstitutional report raises serious questions about the leadership and direction of the agency charged with protecting Americans in the ongoing battle against terrorism.

Why would the Department of Homeland Security single out groups like pro-life supporters when they should be focusing on identifying and apprehending the real terrorists - like al-Qaeda - groups that have vowed to destroy America?

This characterization is not only offensive to millions of Americans who hold constitutionally-protected views opposing abortion - but also raises serious concerns about the political agenda of an agency with a mandate to protect America.

I encourage you to watch my interview on FOX News to find out more about this troubling issue ... you won't believe how the government has singled out conservatives, Christians - and even our veterans - as dangerous to our country.

And stay tuned ... we're not going to take this lying down! Listen live to my radio broadcasts this week and next week as we discuss the scope of this finding by the Department of Homeland Security - as well as its dangerous precedent.

ACLJ • American Center for Law & Justice

 

[LightHorseman]

First off, he shouldn't of bailed out AIG (with bonuses and all),
and with all the overloaded PORK projects that don't stimulate
economy any.

snip


I'd move to a fair tax system where everyone donated to pay
taxes thru purchases - not forcing (penalizing) people who work
hard and pay their bills to absorb the full brunt of the tax
burden.

I see lots of what you wouldn't do, but the question was what WOULD you do? Other than the sales tax, which they already have.

K, I need to clarify that I never said the war veterans were
'being treated' as terrorists.
I said they were listed as serious terrorist threats on the Homeland
Security report. (along w/ pro lifers)

There's another thread on this topic that you can check out
for the information & report link -
and here's what the ACLJ has mailed out along w/ an interview
of Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ on this subject:

Oh. That thing again.

It didn't list war veterans as serious terrorist threats. It said that they were a group which may give rise to extremists. You know, like the Washington sniper?

War veterans from any war you care to name have a small number of veterans who lose it when they come home and go postal. Just like saying identity Christians and anti abortionists can give rise to dangerous extremists. Its not rude, and its not something they need to apologise for, because its true. Identity Christians are nutters that make the KKK look well balanced. And there have been more terrorist attacks against abortion clinics and doctors than there have been by Muslim extremists in the US, so its not exactly unreasonable to point out that anti abortion groups might give rise to extremists either. So whats the problem with actually working out where potential threats might come from? You'd prefer the powers that be ignored the groups that you wish didn't generate a few extremists every now and then? (asked the Iraq veteran)

 

[BernieEOD]

Socialism? Christ calls for his people to put a gun to everybody's head and command what they should or shouldnt have? Government know best? Here in California, our farms are going fallow because the eco nazis are forcing us to dump water for species protection. We lack power because eco nazis banned new power plants.
We disarm the innocent as we excuse the guilty. This is no defense of capitalism, the last thing one wants to do is to give the governmetn complet authority to determine what every household needs and doesnt need.

 

[LightHorseman]

Socialism? Christ calls for his people to put a gun to everybody's head and command what they should or shouldnt have? Government know best?

Despite Reagan-esq rhetoric, what you describe is only an extreme form of socialism. advocating socialism is not necesarily a call for a Stalinist Soviet wasteland. Look at Sweden and Great Britain for examples of moderate, highly functional socialist states.

Here in California, our farms are going fallow because the eco nazis are forcing us to dump water for species protection. We lack power because eco nazis banned new power plants.

a. What does this have to do with socialism?
b. You realise the problems letting rivers die out due to over irrigation and building new power stations without adequate environmental safeguards cause, right?

We disarm the innocent as we excuse the guilty. This is no defense of capitalism, the last thing one wants to do is to give the governmetn complet authority to determine what every household needs and doesnt need.

And just who the heck is advocating this?

 

[Nadiine]

Socialism? Christ calls for his people to put a gun to everybody's head and command what they should or shouldnt have? Government know best? Here in California, our farms are going fallow because the eco nazis are forcing us to dump water for species protection. We lack power because eco nazis banned new power plants.
We disarm the innocent as we excuse the guilty. This is no defense of capitalism, the last thing one wants to do is to give the governmetn complet authority to determine what every household needs and doesnt need.

the govt. has proven themselves incompetent -
God help this nation if the Govt. wants to control anything
vital to us.

Anything they touch falls apart. Yet even with that fact, they
still want to control everything. I've never seen people so
power hungry in my life.

 

[Nadiine]

I see lots of what you wouldn't do, but the question was what WOULD you do? Other than the sales tax, which they already have.Oh. That thing again.

It didn't list war veterans as serious terrorist threats. It said that they were a group which may give rise to extremists. You know, like the Washington sniper?

It did list them, why else do you think the HS. secretary, Napalitano apologized publically
for this?

& you tell them that then - I'm sure they'll appreciate your support for
their service to the country as we stick them on security watch for their
extremist activity... deemed by leftist extremists. - the hypocrisy of it all

 

[LightHorseman]

It did list them, why else do you think the HS. secretary, Napalitano apologized publically
for this?

& you tell them that then - I'm sure they'll appreciate your support for
their service to the country as we stick them on security watch for their
extremist activity... deemed by leftist extremists. - the hypocrisy of it all

I thank God every day that I'm not liberal.

I'm not a liberal either.

But if you had actually read the document, you would know it merely mentioned thst returned veterans were likely to be a group which would give rise to extremists. It didn't say ALL veterans were extremists, nor did it suggest putting all veterans on a watch list. Please get your facts straight before launching into this self righteous indignation.

By the way, if you're not a liberal, and you relly support the troops, what unit are you in, or where did you serve when you were in?

 

[Nadiine]

I'm not a liberal either.

But if you had actually read the document, you would know it merely mentioned thst returned veterans were likely to be a group which would give rise to extremists. It didn't say ALL veterans were extremists, nor did it suggest putting all veterans on a watch list. Please get your facts straight before launching into this self righteous indignation.

By the way, if you're not a liberal, and you relly support the troops, what unit are you in, or where did you serve when you were in?

Attorneys have read that document and not only are pro lifer's
a number one threat, they are targeting war vets.
That's the whole point of this.
they are now redefining new targets as GREATER threat than the
radical Islamists that HAVE committed serious terror acts and
this is based on stats that don't even exist.

Why you don't understand the seriousness of this is
beyond me. Maybe if you were a peaceful citizen and
ended up on the list as a terror threat, you might care

 

[LightHorseman]

Attorneys have read that document and not only are pro lifer's
a number one threat, they are targeting war vets.
That's the whole point of this.
they are now redefining new targets as GREATER threat than the
radical Islamists that HAVE committed serious terror acts and
this is based on stats that don't even exist.

Why you don't understand the seriousness of this is
beyond me. Maybe if you were a peaceful citizen and
ended up on the list as a terror threat, you might care

They aren't "targeting war vets" at all. Maybe if you read the actual document, rather than swallowing the latest conspiracy theorist hysteria without question, you'd know this.

 

[Hockey_Fan]

the govt. has proven themselves incompetent -
God help this nation if the Govt. wants to control anything
vital to us.

Anything they touch falls apart. Yet even with that fact, they
still want to control everything. I've never seen people so
power hungry in my life.

So I take it you're not a fan of the postal service, the highway department or the public school system, eh?

Sadly, I fear the bigger threat is from the terrorists within than the terrorists without. The same people who seem to condone racial profiling and discrimination against Muslims and Arabs get all upset when suddenly they become the ones on the discrimination list.

On another line, why is so much violence committed in the name of religion? Any religion? All religions?

 

[LightHorseman]

So I take it you're not a fan of the postal service, the highway department or the public school system, eh?

Not to mention the police, fire service and the military

 

[LightHorseman]

Originally Posted by Nadiine

I've never seen people so
power hungry in my life.​

Says the person who wants to have utter control over what consenting adults read, watch, and do in their own bedrooms
​

 

[BernieEOD]

Not to mention the police, fire service and the military

The police only disarme th innocent while excusiong the guilty.
The Military is just another self serving corrupt government institution.
I worship none of them.

 

[Texas Lynn]

If they're ALL corrupt why stick up for him at all?

See The Power Elite by C. Wright Mills. Politicians are tools but tools are meant to be used. Things Obama's done so far-reversed the war on sex and the war on science, fired the CEO of GM, etc., is why we voted for him. That's what happens when you win elections. Sure, it's not enough, and it's not coming fast enough, but we do the best we can.

Talk about overtaxing people to death!
Now do you see why people are so furious?

And this is NOT just republicans. The liberal media is trying to
play it out that way, but the tea party in Sacramento hailed
MANY libertarians, independants & democrats who are fed up
with overtaxing.

The Teabagger movement is an astroturf movement consisting of Republican partisans and the occasional Ron Paul bot. One letter to the editor writer in favor of it here used the occasion to vent her hatred of renters as a landlord castigating them for being slobs and on welfare and other neo-racist venom. News flash: there's a heck of a lot more renters than landlords.

anyone see the writing on the walls?

In your dreams of 2012 you may see 1984. I see 1936.

 

[BernieEOD]

Says the person who wants to have utter control over what consenting adults read, watch, and do in their own bedrooms
[/indent]

What they do in thioer own bedrooms, no. When they demand we give welfare checks for the products of thier sexual immorlaity, demand we call it right when they come out of the bedroom and demand public affirmation, yes, we do cry out against it.

Depravity is not progress. Rampant sexual immorality is e another sign of a dying civilization.