Dinosaur footprints destroy flood geology.

[pgp_protector]

Right --- I'll get right on it.

And given that it's an abomination to lie, we can believe you on this right ?


Proverbs 12:22 (King James Version)
Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

 

[AV1611VET]

And given that it's an abomination to lie, we can believe you on this right ?

Absolutely --- in fact --- here's my answer.

 

[pgp_protector]

Absolutely --- in fact --- here's my answer.

second part of the verse.

"but they that deal truly are his delight."

So given that post what is shown about your position with the Lord ?

 

[AintNoMonkey]

This thread is so full of win.

 

[pgp_protector]

Hmmm they logged off
Maybe they are really going to do some research.

 

[Split Rock]

You find that Flood deposit first, hot-shot scientist, then we'll talk your nonsense. Until then, keep your dumb photo albums out of our theology.

We would be happy to... as soon as you Fundies decide to keep your poor theology out of our science classes.

 

[mpok1519]

~yawn~

Telling people it was a global flood is a lie, and lying is against His commandments...

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Hi Chordateslegacy,
I fully respect what you are saying because you are quite correct about there not being a global flood as accounted in the bible,,this is because the bible dosen't actually teach a global flood, it's the Orthodox Church that teach that red herring my friend not the called out chosen elect of God.
Now if I may I will give you something to ponder and make of it what you will. First of all the days of creation were not literal 24hrs days as you already know, I have several bibles (Fenton's ,etc) that do not teach such heretical nonsense and they clearly state that the days of creation were aions, check out these scriptures (Psalm 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8), I 'm sure you'll have a bible of some sort hanging around just in case of emergency,lol. Ok, so when the flood happened around 10,000yrs ago the earth was not as it is now, the area where Noah was was around the middle east, and that is where at that time mankind was thriving. This area which of course is vast is where the floods hit engulfing the moutainous area's of the Himalaya's, etc. Now for the supernatural in all this after all it's God doing it, so there has to be a little bit of the impossible. In the flood account if you read it carefully, especially in the Greek Septuagint you will see that in (Genesis 8:1) God caused an awesome wind to arise that actually contained the waters like a humungous lake in much the same way that He parted the Red sea but way, way bigger. A kind of suspended aquamation,lol.

So mate the flood of Noah was a localised flood not a global flood as the continents shifted. Just some food for thought although I could be just an idiot?

I would not call you an idiot, and amazingly I like your slant on creationism and the flood, its different, not that I believe a word of it, but I think we can agree on some things.

1 If the biblical flood happened, it was a regional and not global event.
2 The world was not created in seven days.

I think on balance I would have to disagree with you on the wind thing.
Also 10000 years ago humans were well established world wide, with the exception of the Pacific and New Zealand.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

How about these dino foot prints on a vertical cliff, again in so called YECs biblical flood deposits.

Nope YECs wrong again, these are terrestrial sediments

 

[AV1611VET]

How about these dino foot prints on a vertical cliff, again in so called YECs biblical flood deposits.

Nope YECs wrong again, these are terrestrial sediments

Then how did they "sedimate" (for lack of the proper term) vertically?

 

[Chalnoth]

Then how did they "sedimate" (for lack of the proper term) vertically?

They didn't. The rocks underwent deformation after fossilization of the tracks, if I'm understanding what's going on here correctly.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Then how did they "sedimate" (for lack of the proper term) vertically?

When these tracks were made, i.e. a dinosaur walked across the soft sediment, it would have been flat (horizontal). The sediments would then have been buried, then undergone diagenesis, and then been uplifted(to vertical), before erosion reviled the fossilised tracks.

This is the simplest explanation; it may have and probably was more complicated than that.

The fact of the matter is, when these tracks were made, these sediments were terrestrial, and therefore could not be biblical flood deposits.

 

[Tomk80]

Then how did they "sedimate" (for lack of the proper term) vertically?

Without knowing the specifics here, these things generally happen by fossilization of the footprints when they are on a horizontal plain, after which the plain is tilted by geological uplift.

 

[AV1611VET]

When these tracks were made, i.e. a dinosaur walked across the soft sediment, it would have been flat (horizontal). The sediments would then have been buried, then undergone diagenesis, and then been uplifted(to vertical), before erosion reviled the fossilised tracks.

This is the simplest explanation; it may have and probably was more complicated than that.

The fact of the matter is, when these tracks were made, these sediments were terrestrial, and therefore could not be biblical flood deposits.

Without knowing the specifics here, these things generally happen by fossilization of the footprints when they are on a horizontal plain, after which the plain is tilted by geological uplift.

Can this geological effect be reproduced in a laboratory? (Under a smaller scale, of course.)

 

[Split Rock]

Can this geological effect be reproduced in a laboratory? (Under a smaller scale, of course.)

And if they could, they wouldn't represent what happens in nature... would it? Creationism wins again!

 

[Chalnoth]

Can this geological effect be reproduced in a laboratory? (Under a smaller scale, of course.)

Which one? There are a few at work here.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Which one? There are a few at work here.

I think the point is that any of them could be recreated under controlled conditions.

 

[Chalnoth]

I think the point is that any of them could be recreated under controlled conditions.

Of course. But I find it's usually more productive to focus in one one singular aspect.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Of course. But I find it's usually more productive to focus in one one singular aspect.

"productive" tends to be a four-letter word when dealing with Creationists. The important thing here is to defuse the "AHA! So you can't create a universe in a laboratory, so Goddidit!" mantra before it's used.

 

[Chalnoth]

"productive" tends to be a four-letter word when dealing with Creationists. The important thing here is to defuse the "AHA! So you can't create a universe in a laboratory, so Goddidit!" mantra before it's used.

Perhaps. But I also like to avoid the Gish Gallop.