Dinosaur footprints destroy flood geology.

[AV1611VET]

You didn't understand him - these are the deposits some YECs claim were left by the Flood.

If you, or anyone, say they aren't Flood deposits, then conclude that the Flood didn't happen, my reply stands as written.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

If you, or anyone, say they aren't Flood deposits, then conclude that the Flood didn't happen, my reply stands as written.

You stick with the ignorance AV, it’s the only way your brand of magical mysticism works.

There are no biblical flood deposits; get over it.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Nope, no plate tectonics anywhere.

Visable evidence for plate tectonics.

This is an aerial view of the San Andreas fault splitting Carrizo Plain in the Temblor Range east of San Luis Obispo, California. The San Andreas Fault is one of the relatively few places where a plate boundary crosses land. Lower California is will one day become an island.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Nope, no plate tectonics anywhere.

Visable evidence for plate tectonics.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The island of Cyprus in the eastern Mediterranean contains a distinctly different wedge of subducted basaltic rock making up an ophiolite inclusion within rocks of a different lithologic nature. It is prominent as the dark area in this Large Format Camera photo:
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[ChordatesLegacy]

Nope, no plate tectonics anywhere.

Visable evidence for plate tectonics.



Thrust Fault, Barrage de Tignes France, limestone on schist

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Nope, no plate tectonics anywhere.

Visable evidence for plate tectonics.

quote.

The Hawaiian Islands are volcanic in origin. Each island is made up of at least one primary volcano, although many islands are composites of more than one. The Big Island, for instance, is constructed of 5 major volcanoes: Kilauea, Mauna Loa, Mauna Kea, Hualalai and Kohala. Mauna Loa is the largest active volcano on Earth. Kilauea is presently one of the most productive volcanoes on Earth (in terms of how much lava it erupts each year). The primary volcanoes on each of the islands are known as a shield volcanoes, which are gently sloping mountains produced from a large number of generally very fluid lava flows.
Hawaiian volcanoes primarily erupt a type of rock known as basalt. When molten, basalt produces liquids of relatively high fluidity, compared to volcanoes that erupt more silica rich magma types such as andesite, dacite or rhyolite. The fluidity of molten basalt favors the formation of lava flows, which is why the Hawaiian volcanoes generally have gentle sloping sides. By contrast, lavas with higher silica content are more viscous and commonly produce either thicker, shorter lava flows, thick blocky deposits and/or thick beds of ash that fall from the sky following explosive eruptions. These other types of volcanoes (common outside of Hawaii) are typically steeper sided.
The Hawaiian volcanoes were produced by the Hawaiian hot spot, which is presently under the Big Island of Hawaii. The image below shows the islands of the Hawaiian chain and the intervening shallows, banks and reefs along a line from southeast to northwest. Note that the islands of Lanai and Kahoolawe are not shown because they would "overlap" with Molokai and Maui, respectively (see the map of the Islands on the Hawaiian Volcanoes page) In general, when you move along the island chain from southeast (Hawaii) to northwest, (Kure), the volcanoes become older and older.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are no biblical flood deposits; get over it.

I've been saying that longer than you have, rookie.

(Maybe with the exception of those White Cliffs of Andover.)

 

[AV1611VET]

This is an aerial view of the San Andreas fault splitting Carrizo Plain in the Temblor Range east of San Luis Obispo, California.

Wow --- mamma mia.

Show me the San Andreas fault on Pangaea.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

I've been saying that longer than you have, rookie.

(Maybe with the exception of those White Cliffs of Andover.)

Don't you mean White Clifffs of Dover, and yes, they are not flood deposits.

The Chalk of NW Europe was deposited on the continental shelf during the earliest stages of the opening of the Atlantic Ocean (Biscay to Labradore opening at the beginning of Chalk deposition) . The sea level was much higher than the present day with the Chalk of Kent typically being deposited in a depth range of 100-300m. The sea levels varied through its deposition. However, not all Chalk was deposited at this depth with some marginal (shallow) marine deposits being recorded both in Devon and NW France.

 

[AV1611VET]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The island of Cyprus in the eastern Mediterranean...[/FONT]

Thrust Fault, Barrage de Tignes France...

The Hawaiian Islands...

L O [dig this] L --- did you even take a look at that picture of mine you're posting with your replies?

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't you mean White Clifffs of Dover...

Whatever --- look, shutterbug, are we getting anywhere in this conversation? If not, have a good day.

 

[milkyway]

Whatever --- look, shutterbug, are we getting anywhere in this conversation? If not, have a good day.

Where are you trying to 'get' to?

There is no evidence for a worldwide flood, because there was no worldwide flood.

Easy, innit?!

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Whatever --- look, shutterbug, are we getting anywhere in this conversation? If not, have a good day.

Yes we are getting somewhere, NO BIBLICAL FLOOD, it's what all the geological evidence points to.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

You find that Flood deposit first, hot-shot scientist, then we'll talk your nonsense.

While there are many flood deposits there are no global Flood deposits to find because there was no global flood. YEC lost this argument 150 years ago and every bit of relevant data from geology, paleontology, biology and archeology collected since that time has reinforced the conclusion that the flood of Noah if it happened at all could not have been global.

Until then, keep your dumb photo albums out of our theology.

If you want to discuss your theology General Apologetics is right down the hall. Do you have anything even the slightest bit relevant to say about dinosaur footprints in supposed Global Flood deposits? If not why don't you and your theology just take a hike over to GA?

 

[Drwhat]

Hi Chordateslegacy,
I fully respect what you are saying because you are quite correct about there not being a global flood as accounted in the bible,,this is because the bible dosen't actually teach a global flood, it's the Orthodox Church that teach that red herring my friend not the called out chosen elect of God.
Now if I may I will give you something to ponder and make of it what you will. First of all the days of creation were not literal 24hrs days as you already know, I have several bibles (Fenton's ,etc) that do not teach such heretical nonsense and they clearly state that the days of creation were aions, check out these scriptures (Psalm 90:4 & 2 Peter 3:8), I 'm sure you'll have a bible of some sort hanging around just in case of emergency,lol. Ok, so when the flood happened around 10,000yrs ago the earth was not as it is now, the area where Noah was was around the middle east, and that is where at that time mankind was thriving. This area which of course is vast is where the floods hit engulfing the moutainous area's of the Himalaya's, etc. Now for the supernatural in all this after all it's God doing it, so there has to be a little bit of the impossible. In the flood account if you read it carefully, especially in the Greek Septuagint you will see that in (Genesis 8:1) God caused an awesome wind to arise that actually contained the waters like a humungous lake in much the same way that He parted the Red sea but way, way bigger. A kind of suspended aquamation,lol.

So mate the flood of Noah was a localised flood not a global flood as the continents shifted. Just some food for thought although I could be just an idiot?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you have anything even the slightest bit relevant to say about dinosaur footprints in supposed Global Flood deposits?

First of all, Einstein, if God cleaned up the mess thoroughly, the dinosaurs could traipse around all over Pangaea and it wouldn't make any difference.

Second of all, if you're right, and the Flood did leave deposits that dinosaurs stepped in, then barring erosion, standard decay, [Dare I say this next word?] catastrophies, and other forms of footprint annihilation, then I guess there would be footprints found in Global Flood deposits.

Thirdly, unless I'm reading you guys wrong, it appears that what you're saying is that there was a period of time [apparently after the Flood] when the earth was again under water, but only in sections at a time (thus no correlating data); and as I understand it, you guys even claim Kansas was completely under water at one time.

If this is true, then you're mistaking these unrelated inundations for what we claim is the Flood; and perhaps a footprint was found there or something.

If God left evidence of the Flood - if He did - then it must be deeper in the earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the flood account if you read it carefully, especially in the Greek Septuagint you will see that in (Genesis 8:1) God caused an awesome wind to arise that actually contained the waters like a humungous lake in much the same way that He parted the Red sea but way, way bigger. A kind of suspended aquamation,lol.

Leave it to the Greek Septuagint to give us that gem of an interpretation - [rolls eyes].

 

[Nathan Poe]

First of all, Einstein, if God cleaned up the mess thoroughly, the dinosaurs could traipse around all over Pangaea and it wouldn't make any difference.

But He didn't, so they couldn't, therefore it does.

Second of all, if you're right, and the Flood did leave deposits that dinosaurs stepped in, then barring erosion, standard decay, [Dare I say this next word?] catastrophies, and other forms of footprint annihilation, then I guess there would be footprints found in Global Flood deposits.

What global flood deposits?

Thirdly, unless I'm reading you guys wrong, it appears that what you're saying is that there was a period of time [apparently after the Flood] when the earth was again under water, but only in sections at a time (thus no correlating data); and as I understand it, you guys even claim Kansas was completely under water at one time.

Just about every region on Earth underwent a local flood at some time or another -- you're only reading it half-wrong.

If this is true, then you're mistaking these unrelated inundations for what we claim is the Flood; and perhaps a footprint was found there or something.

because your Flood was magical, and thus, didn't leave any evidence?

If God left evidence of the Flood - if He did - then it must be deeper in the earth.

How much deeper? More than 4,000 years down?

Perhaps if we dig clear down to the core, we'll find your magic flood evidence there?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

First of all, Einstein, if God cleaned up the mess thoroughly, the dinosaurs could traipse around all over Pangaea and it wouldn't make any difference.

All those dinos were supposed to have died in the flood. Did God create their tracks down in those various Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous layers while cleaning up after the flood. This makes no sense at all.

Second of all, if you're right, and the Flood did leave deposits that dinosaurs stepped in, then barring erosion, standard decay, [Dare I say this next word?] catastrophies, and other forms of footprint annihilation, then I guess there would be footprints found in Global Flood deposits.

You obviously have not been paying the least bit of attention. How does an animal leave tracks in layers that are being deposited by a raging global flood and that sit on top of thousands of feet of other supposed global flood deposits? Did God hold them in hyperspace for a while just so they could out and make tracks in the same layers that also have their eggs and nests and body fossils? HOw did they make "tracks" that were preserved in a raging global flood that was supposedly depositing thousands of feet of sediment and sorting fossils "hydrodynamically"?

Thirdly, unless I'm reading you guys wrong, it appears that what you're saying is that there was a period of time [apparently after the Flood] when the earth was again under water, but only in sections at a time (thus no correlating data); and as I understand it, you guys even claim Kansas was completely under water at one time.

No we are saying there was no global flood. Many parts of the earth have been under water at various times over the last 550 million years while most of the fossil record was deposited but never all at the same time and certainly not 4,500 years ago.

If this is true, then you're mistaking these unrelated inundations for what we claim is the Flood; and perhaps a footprint was found there or something.

Exactly what do you claim as the flood? YEC flood geologist never seem to agree as to which deposits are flood deposits. It is obvious to everyone capable of logical thought and with even a little knowledge of geology that the reason they can't agree as to which deposits are from the global flood is that there are no deposits from the global flood.

If God left evidence of the Flood - if He did - then it must be deeper in the earth.

There can be no evidence of a global flood that never occurred or are you claiming that evidence for a global flood will some day be found in Precambrian Deposits?

Here the layers of the geologic column down to nearly 15,000 feet as found in North Dakota. You can find a fairly detailed description of the geology of each layer on Glenn Morton's page on the Geologic Column. Please tell us exactly which layers are deposits from a global flood 4,500 years ago and which are not. Which mark the start, peak and end of the flood? Which are preflood and post flood and how did they get deposited in the 1,600 preflood and 4,500 post flood years?

Tertiary Ft. Union Fm ..........................100 feet
Hells Creek Fm................................~2250 feet
Fox Hills.....................................~3060 feet
Pierre Shale..................................~3200 feet
Niobrara Chalk................................~4400 feet
Carlile Shale.................................~4750 feet
Cretaceous Greenhorn Fm .......................4910 feet
Belle Fourche Shale............................5000 feet
Cretaceous Mowry Fm........................... 5370 feet
Cretaceous Inyan Kara Fm.......................5790 feet
Jurassic Rierdon Fm............................6690 feet
Piper Formation................................7110 feet
Triassic Spearfish Fm..........................7325 feet
Permian Opeche Fm..............................7740 feet
Pennsylvanian Amsden Fm........................7990 feet
Pennsylvanian Tyler Fm.........................8245 feet
Mississippian Otter Fm.........................8440 feet
Mississippian Kibbey Lm........................8780 feet
Mississippian Charles Fm.......................8945 feet
Mississippian Mission Canyon Fm................9775 feet
Mississippian Lodgepole Fm....................10255 feet
Devonian Bakken Fm............................11085 feet
Devonian Three Forks Shale....................11180 feet
Devonian Birdbear Fm..........................11340 feet
Devonian Duperow Fm...........................11422 feet
Devonian Souris River Fm......................11832 feet
Devonian Dawson Bay Fm........................12089 feet
Devonian Prairie Fm...........................12180 feet
Devonian Winnipegosis Grp.....................12310 feet
Silurian Interlake Fm.........................12539 feet
Ordovician Stonewall Fm.......................13250 feet
Ordovician Red River Dolomite.................13630 feet
Ordovician Winnipeg Grp.......................14210 feet
Ordovician Black Island Fm (part of Winnipeg).14355 feet
Cambrian Deadwood Fm..........................14445 feet
Precambrian...................................14945 feet

 

[AV1611VET]

Please tell us exactly which layers are deposits from a global flood 4,500 years ago and which are not. Which mark the start, peak and end of the flood?

Right --- I'll get right on it.